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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 25 2012,19:55)
So the Father created a new finite realm at near the lowest dimension levels that a soul can express itself in (and so starts Gen 1:1). As the laws for this reality came into play, God was once again manifested in this new reality as everything the constraints of the reality could possibly support of the Father. Now this corporeal manifestation was the pre-incarnate Jesus (“God manifested in the flesh”) “the exact representation of his being”, manifested at the birth of our reality. It allowed the Father to interact vicariously through the pre-incarnate Christ as His “agent” to this level of creation called earth.
Hi Wm,Here you are using the term 'pre-incarnate Christ', but
you seem to be speaking of the “incarnated Christ” instead?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wm,
I'm about half-way done with your post now.
I will give you an opportunity to comment on
what has been discussed so far; OK William?Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (seekingtruth @ May 27 2012,19:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 10 2012,01:29) If God is not a Male how then can he be considered an actual Father of someone other than as a metaphor?
bd,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back with you.Who stated that God was not a male?
How can God be a Male when thatis a product of gender? God does not have genitals does HE? Plus the scripture says that God is not a man and if HE is not a man then he cannot be a male.Quote (seekingtruth @ May 27 2012,21:06) TO ALL.
I'm disappointed by the responses, I know I'm asking for a lot to read the long post on page 1, but I truly do desire correction, show me from scripture if I'm in error don't let me continue in deception (if I have been decieved), all I ask is bring scripture, not opinions.So far I've gotten feedback from; an atheist who denies the truth of scripture, a muslim who distorts the truth in scripture, and 3 christians.
Of the 3 christians; one asked a couple of questions, another told me I should have kept it to myself and only one is attempting to understand for the purpose of providing input.
I'm not looking for an argument, I won't even respond with an explanation if asked, but I have something that I believe was shown to me and I want to make sure it aligns with scripture.
Thank you in advance to any who may respond – Wm
Of Course if your automatic assumption is that because a person is a Muslim he must be distorting the truth then you are not looking for truth per se, you are looking for agreement with what you already believe and you want that agreement to come from a Christian.Even with an atheist he may deny the truth of the scripture but may very well point out what the scripture actually says or doesn't say. For instance you believe Jesus died on the cross and atheist can certainly believe that the scriptures say that Jesus died on the cross, right?
Quote (Stu @ May 29 2012,00:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 19 2012,09:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2012,09:44) Tacky, Ed.
You see Mike this is who says they represent God, How is he considered a Christian or for that matter a believer in God at all? I will never respond to his posts again it is truly time for me to shake the dust off my feet with him.The sad part is this site supports him and all his divination just because he tickles t8's ears about how he believes in Jesus and t8 cannot even see
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.ED is an insult and mockery of this entire forum where down is up and up is down. The TRue believers are put down and the true deceivers, back biters, name callers are given carte blanche.
God bless you Mike but I am out of here I can't be in a place where evil is just allowed to run loose with no checks, where a person can alter the bible , alter your post and insult other Christians without even a minor chastizing this is ED's Heaven.
I may return to post in general but to me ED will gt no more of my attention he is currently a lost cause.
I guess it is possible that allah is gay. I mean, just because I can't imagine how a god could be gay doesn't mean it isn't true, right?After all we can't prove gods don't exist, which is a reason to think they exist, right?**
And in exactly the same way, we can't prove gods aren't gay, which is a reason to think they might be. But that would mean there are other gods with which allah might express its sexuality, and that would also make allah a hypocrite for doing all that homophobic ranting.
Dear oh dear. Homosexuality possibly acceptable; polytheism a possibility; and hypocrisy a possibly quality of the islamic god.
**Of course I could retract all of that if we agree that there is no argument for gods in the claim that you can't disprove their existence.
That would make me a hypocrite!
Stuart
There are no “gods” Stu only GOD and God cannot be GAY or Straight because God is not a human being with genitals.You are a hypocrite already because you keep on insisting and talking about God as if you believe HE exists but claim HE doesn't
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 29 2012,17:12) Even with an atheist he may deny the truth of the scripture but may very well point out what the scripture actually says or doesn't say. For instance you believe Jesus died on the cross and atheist can certainly believe that the scriptures say that Jesus died on the cross, right?
Hi BD,Have you finally decided that YOU “are” going to believe Scripture now?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)First thank you for taking the time and the comments.
Quote Here you have assumptions based on assumptions. I agree, but have no problem with assumptions as long as they do not create a conflict within scriptures.
Quote Planting seems to indicate they were created. I believe they came from God instead. I was not stating how souls came to be, but rather I felt a soul with no means of expressing itself was like a seed placed in an environment to allow it to grow (planted)
Quote Quote (seekingtruth=Mar. 25 2012 @ 19:55) if He just destroyed satan then many of the beings in Heaven wouldn’t be following Him out of love, but fear.
So He created the Lake of Fire to destroy the irredeemable
Hi Wm,This seems like a contradiction? …could you explain how it is not a contradiction?
While God created the Lake of Fire, He waited (and is still waiting) to use it to destroy satan and his, until all have seen the wisdom (and the need) of doing so.
Quote Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 25 2012 @ 19:55) So the Father created a new finite realm at near the lowest dimension levels that a soul can express itself in (and so starts Gen 1:1). As the laws for this reality came into play, God was once again manifested in this new reality as everything the constraints of the reality could possibly support of the Father. Now this corporeal manifestation was the pre-incarnate Jesus (“God manifested in the flesh”) “the exact representation of his being”, manifested at the birth of our reality. It allowed the Father to interact vicariously through the pre-incarnate Christ as His “agent” to this level of creation called earth.
Hi Wm,Here you are using the term 'pre-incarnate Christ', but
you seem to be speaking of the “incarnated Christ” instead?It was meant to convey the being of Christ before emptying Himself to be born into the earth.
Thank you so very much – Wm
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 29 2012,14:12) Quote (seekingtruth @ May 27 2012,21:06) TO ALL.
I'm disappointed by the responses, I know I'm asking for a lot to read the long post on page 1, but I truly do desire correction, show me from scripture if I'm in error don't let me continue in deception (if I have been decieved), all I ask is bring scripture, not opinions.So far I've gotten feedback from; an atheist who denies the truth of scripture, a muslim who distorts the truth in scripture, and 3 christians.
Of the 3 christians; one asked a couple of questions, another told me I should have kept it to myself and only one is attempting to understand for the purpose of providing input.
I'm not looking for an argument, I won't even respond with an explanation if asked, but I have something that I believe was shown to me and I want to make sure it aligns with scripture.
Thank you in advance to any who may respond – Wm
Of Course if your automatic assumption is that because a person is a Muslim he must be distorting the truth then you are not looking for truth per se, you are looking for agreement with what you already believe and you want that agreement to come from a Christian.Even with an atheist he may deny the truth of the scripture but may very well point out what the scripture actually says or doesn't say. For instance you believe Jesus died on the cross and atheist can certainly believe that the scriptures say that Jesus died on the cross, right?
The only agreement I want is with scripture, it is not because you're a muslim that I believe you distort the truth it is because of your posts here.I have asked you a couple of times in the past why you try using scriptures to disprove scriptures.
But yes I do want someone who loves and believes in scripture advising me, but as long as scripture is used in context I do not care who delivers it (I would not readily ask my plumber about by-pass surgery although he may know the answer).
Wm
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 29 2012,14:08) Quote (seekingtruth @ May 27 2012,19:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 10 2012,01:29) If God is not a Male how then can he be considered an actual Father of someone other than as a metaphor?
bd,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back with you.Who stated that God was not a male?
How can God be a Male when thatis a product of gender? God does not have genitals does HE? Plus the scripture says that God is not a man and if HE is not a man then he cannot be a male.
bd
male noun \ˈmāl\Definition of MALE
1
a : a male person : a man or a boy
b : an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a femaleTechnically the word male has to do with the one who “fertilizes the eggs” and that is what He did with Mary (however without sex).
To put “HE is not a man” verse in context, it refers to the fact that He is not subject to the failings of man.
Wm
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 29 2012,17:19) Quote (Stu @ May 29 2012,00:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 19 2012,09:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2012,09:44) Tacky, Ed.
You see Mike this is who says they represent God, How is he considered a Christian or for that matter a believer in God at all? I will never respond to his posts again it is truly time for me to shake the dust off my feet with him.The sad part is this site supports him and all his divination just because he tickles t8's ears about how he believes in Jesus and t8 cannot even see
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.ED is an insult and mockery of this entire forum where down is up and up is down. The TRue believers are put down and the true deceivers, back biters, name callers are given carte blanche.
God bless you Mike but I am out of here I can't be in a place where evil is just allowed to run loose with no checks, where a person can alter the bible , alter your post and insult other Christians without even a minor chastizing this is ED's Heaven.
I may return to post in general but to me ED will gt no more of my attention he is currently a lost cause.
I guess it is possible that allah is gay. I mean, just because I can't imagine how a god could be gay doesn't mean it isn't true, right?After all we can't prove gods don't exist, which is a reason to think they exist, right?**
And in exactly the same way, we can't prove gods aren't gay, which is a reason to think they might be. But that would mean there are other gods with which allah might express its sexuality, and that would also make allah a hypocrite for doing all that homophobic ranting.
Dear oh dear. Homosexuality possibly acceptable; polytheism a possibility; and hypocrisy a possibly quality of the islamic god.
**Of course I could retract all of that if we agree that there is no argument for gods in the claim that you can't disprove their existence.
That would make me a hypocrite!
Stuart
There are no “gods” Stu only GOD and God cannot be GAY or Straight because God is not a human being with genitals.You are a hypocrite already because you keep on insisting and talking about God as if you believe HE exists but claim HE doesn't
Why do you call it a he? How do you know its gender if it doesn't have genitals?Stuart
Hi William,
It seems to me that the manifestation of the Father is what the Father calls His only Begotten Son…the image, the word of God. The difference that you and I have is that I believe that this Son was always existing in the Father and ready to be begotten from the Father before creation. From what I can tell, you seem to say that it was matter that caused the image and word of God to manifest in our realm but the image and word was not a literal offspring. Would that be correct?I think that Colossians 1 tells us that the image was born in the term 'firstborn' and refers to a Father and a Son.
Colossians 1:13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
What are your thoughts?
Kathi
Kathi,
Depending on which definition you use for offspring #5 in dictionary says “it is the product, result, or effect of something: the offspring of an inventive mind.” and as I believe the Son is a manifestation of the Father part of His nature is from all eternity, so for the most part we are in agreement at least within the boundaries of semantics.Thanks – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 29 2012,21:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 29 2012,14:08) Quote (seekingtruth @ May 27 2012,19:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 10 2012,01:29) If God is not a Male how then can he be considered an actual Father of someone other than as a metaphor?
bd,
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back with you.Who stated that God was not a male?
How can God be a Male when thatis a product of gender? God does not have genitals does HE? Plus the scripture says that God is not a man and if HE is not a man then he cannot be a male.
bd
male noun \ˈmāl\Definition of MALE
1
a : a male person : a man or a boy
b : an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a femaleTechnically the word male has to do with the one who “fertilizes the eggs” and that is what He did with Mary (however without sex).
To put “HE is not a man” verse in context, it refers to the fact that He is not subject to the failings of man.
Wm
No it actually means God is not a Man and if he is also not subject to the failings of a man then you disprove your whole theory about Jesus being a “god” because you say he became subject to the failings of a man which you just adequately pointed out God cannot do.remember Male and Female were made in his image not just male.
Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
Of course God is not a Mother or a Father literally God is unique Man and Woman are of a divided essense that must unite to become one God does not need this unification process because HE already is One
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 30 2012,07:23) Kathi,
Depending on which definition you use for offspring #5 in dictionary says “it is the product, result, or effect of something: the offspring of an inventive mind.” and as I believe the Son is a manifestation of the Father part of His nature is from all eternity, so for the most part we are in agreement at least within the boundaries of semantics.Thanks – Wm
Why is it so important for you to go against scripture that clearly states that GOD is ONE and there is no other besides Him? You seem to ignore that in order to usurp the sovereign nature of God by putting a subordinate as an equal it is literally blasphemy and did not come from God or the scriptures of God even Jesus goes against your line of reason because they accused him of declaring himself “god” and he said:John 10:33-37
King James Version (KJV)
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Do you think Jesus was deceiving them when he said t the Father sent him into the world meaning God did not manifest Himself? Jesus is calling himself son of God meaning servant of God and he proves it in John 10:35 yet you won't believe what the scriptures say no matter how many times the obvious is pointed out to you, even when it comes from Jesus himself.
But I will ask you why do you think God called others His son long before Jesus and what do you think he meant by the term at those times?
BD,
For Him to say that He was the Son of God, literally, then He would be saying that He is also God. You said that yourself:Quote If any of you believe that Jesus is the literal son of God then you will have to agree that Jesus is GOD because each kind according to its kind is the rule of Procreation and if this is the case then you should all be Catholic and believe as they do Jesus is telling the Pharisees that it isn't blasphemy to be called god…even men were called gods. Then He goes on to say that it especially isn't blasphemy to make thyself out to be God if you actually are, as the literal Son of God.
The Pharisees, couldn't accept that there could be a literal Son of God…like muslims. They were wrong and so are the muslims in this regard.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 30 2012,04:35) No it actually means God is not a Man and if he is also not subject to the failings of a man then you disprove your whole theory about Jesus being a “god” because you say he became subject to the failings of a man which you just adequately pointed out God cannot do. remember Male and Female were made in his image not just male.
Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
Of course God is not a Mother or a Father literally God is unique Man and Woman are of a divided essense that must unite to become one God does not need this unification process because HE already is One
Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?No bodhitharta, the verse is about character, not physical aspects.
Wm
Hi Wm,
Do you want me to finish commenting on your vision?
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (seekingtruth @ May 29 2012,15:23) Kathi,
Depending on which definition you use for offspring #5 in dictionary says “it is the product, result, or effect of something: the offspring of an inventive mind.” and as I believe the Son is a manifestation of the Father part of His nature is from all eternity, so for the most part we are in agreement at least within the boundaries of semantics.Thanks – Wm
Ok Wm,
We are close anyway and that is good. We might differ in that I believe that the Son always had a will of His own, and spirit of His own.Take care!
Quote (seekingtruth @ May 30 2012,13:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 30 2012,04:35) No it actually means God is not a Man and if he is also not subject to the failings of a man then you disprove your whole theory about Jesus being a “god” because you say he became subject to the failings of a man which you just adequately pointed out God cannot do. remember Male and Female were made in his image not just male.
Isaiah 49:15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
Of course God is not a Mother or a Father literally God is unique Man and Woman are of a divided essense that must unite to become one God does not need this unification process because HE already is One
Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?No bodhitharta, the verse is about character, not physical aspects.
Wm
Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.How many more scriptures would you like for to understand:
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truthTherefore Man is NEVER GOD and no man can be called GOD because men are not spirits nor are they God until you understand this yu can not understand your own vision because your mind is in violation of the HIGHEST principle of GOD and that is There is ONLY ONE GOD and there is none other besides HIM and that is PRIME SCRIPTURE in which all else relies upon.
The problem is you base the Bible upon Jesus and not The GOD of Jesus, Jesus was not even heard of 2100 years ago and earlier, no one based their life or religion upon him.
The Bible is about God's relationship to His creation MAN, Jesus was sent after a long line of others to further this relation of God with Man.
Somehow you have in your mind that Jesus was sitting along side God from forever and just watching men do what they do and then deciding hey in a few thousand years you could go down there and pay the price for them and then let them go on as usual for another few thousand years the whole thought process there is flawed.
God has been sending messengers and saviours since time began and they all preached the message of God some were mocked, some were killed but God has been working this relationship from the beginning before Jesus and after Jesus. Hearing the Gospel of Jesus changed your relationship with God and that's great but make no mistake GLORY be to GOD. FOR GOD so loved the world, let me repeat that again for GOD so loved the world not Jesus “GOD”
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