God, eternity the speed of light.

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IN reponse to sunnyb's post, I have decided to start up this topic.

His quote is as follows”

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interesting tid bit to throw out there being a physics geek…In I John 1:5 it says that …God is light… and other places he is represented by bright lights. The reason that nothing (anything containing information) cannot travel faster than the speed of light or the speed of light, is that it would have infinite energy, no time, and would contain all information in universe. (omnicent) Interesting isnt it? Kinda describes God. Just a fun tid bit though. Sunnyb

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Scientists believe now that the universe is not only expanding but it is speeding up at an ever increasing speed. If this is true, then we are left with some interesting questions.

With this supposed increasing expansion rate , we can only assume that if it is indeed true, that the expansion may reach a peak and become steady, or it will reach a peak and then slow down (contract), or that the expansion will continue. Currently, scientists believe that this type of expansion will continue.

Given the possibility that the universe will continue expanding at an ever increasing speed, I have decided to share my thoughts on the subject.

If the universe continues to speed up, then it must reach the speed of light at some point. If this happens, then the universe's state would have to change to become infinite, or at least come into a higher dimension or realm or merge into the spiritual realm perhaps.

Now the bible speaks of very weird events to come, such as the end of the universe,  it's judgement and destruction by God where everything melts with a great heat.

2 Peter 3:12
as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.[ 3:12 Or as you wait eagerly for the day of God to come] That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

So maybe the universe including the earth is moving toward the day of God, not in distance, but time and space expansion. So are we speeding toward judgment and eternity, with the expansion of our universe.

If this were true, we would have to admit that the speed of light which determines our dimension of time and distance will no longer exist and perhaps the words in Revelation have a bearing here.

Revelation 10:6
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

I have defined the words 'time' and 'longer' below:

Time = chronos {khron'-os}
of uncertain derivation; TDNT – 9:581,1337; n m

AV – time 33, season 4, while 2, a while 2, space 2,
     oftentimes + 4183 1, not tr 5, misc 4; 53

1) time either long or short

Longer =  eti {et'-ee}
1) yet, still
   1a) of time
       1a1) of a thing which went on formerly, whereas now a
            different state of things exists or has begun to exist
       1a2) of a thing which continues at present
            1a2a) even, now
       1a3) with negatives
            1a3a) no longer, no more
   1b) of degree and increase
       1b1) even, yet
       1b2) besides, more, further

Other translations use this verse to say “There will be no more delay!”, but whatever way we look at it, there are some very strange things happening such as:

Revelation 9:6
During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

and eventually Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Isaiah 34:4
All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

In the above verses we can see that 'the lack of death' and the Heavenly City that are both from Heaven, come to the earth.

Again this shows us something from the eternal realm coming to the earth, perhaps a result of a change of state and as you have read, there are things happening that seem impossible today.

Of course John is writing what he is seeing in the vision, so he is writing from earths point of view. But if the physical universe's state changed, then we would be free from the time and space restriction and you would see things that were impossible before, things that exist in that higher state and such things could appear as Johns description in Revelation.

Anyway I know this is all pure speculation, but the important thing here is that we are talking about scriptures that are in the Book of Revelation which are not often talked about and searching for a context in which to read them.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

[GJG]

Hi all!

Interesting topic Sunnyb!

Omniscient?….How about looking at it from the Omnipresent perspective aswell.

The simple scriptual description of God is: The Invisible, Eternal, Spirit that inhabits all of creation, so that being everywhere at everytime, obviously brings about Omniscience!

With the way the different areas of science are progressing, one would hope that the existence of this being (God) will eventually become evident……….Well, I am pleased to inform all that it seems as if this has already happened!

Being familiar in the area of Physics Sunnyb I assume that you are also aware of the fascinating science of Quantam Physics.  For it is in this particular field that I believe the existence of the one true living God has been stumbled upon!

Simply put: Experiment after experiment seemed to point to an astonishing phenomena concerning the way in which particles (the tiniest known substance) behaved toward each other.  It seemed that all particles have an instentaneous awareness of each other!  That is, every particle in the universe is immediately aware of what is happening to one another regardless of the distance between them!

I suppose this is similar to our awareness of a stubbed toe or itchy ear; we know, because it is our own body.

Is this the very substance of the creator Himself?

Maybe or maybe not, only time will tell as the testing technologies and techniques improve.

As always: look forward to replies.  

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Just as there are many life forms that inhabit our bodies and also help to make our body function, I also wonder if the universe is but the vessel for God to inhabit, his body or perhaps his garment.

For God is surely revealed in the created things and by his Word he holds all things together.

[GJG]

Sounds good to me t8!

[GJG]

Hi all!

This site has alot of interesting stuff regarding science lining up with the Word of God: http://www.khouse.org/6640. Either read it or hear it on audio(real).

Let me know what you think.:)

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Thanx for that. I will have a look at that.

[GJG]

to t8,

Don’t 4get 2 let me know wot U think.:)

[Phoenix]

Hi T8 or anyone who can help

I am trying find scripture that explains “what God is” instead of the “I Am who I AM”

Is he the Universe? or did he create the Universe?

Or is he a spirtual being created out of no where?

Im trying to find a thread on that question… sorry

Hugs
Phoenix

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[NickHassan]

Quote (Phoenix @ Feb. 22 2007,08:12)

Hi T8 or anyone who can help I am trying find scripture that explains “what God is” instead of the “I Am who I AM” Is he the Universe? or did he create the Universe? Or is he a spirtual being created out of no where? Im trying to find a thread on that question… sorry Hugs Phoenix

Hi phoenix,
The God of Love is outside of creation ever living
and our view of Him limited by little minds which cannot grasp
His latest venture creating through His Son what can be seen that reflects His enormity, mastery,
love of beauty and orderliness in every insect, leaf and star all growing, giving, living, blessing, season after season towards an end that is in Him or outside Him depending on our choice today
offered through the gospel he brought each of us.
This is my Son. Listen to him

[Phoenix]

Thanks for answering T8.

I wish I could help with your question but I cant find anything. Which is frustrating. I am also not sure if you answered my question as to whether he is the Universe or not. I guess its not a question that can be answered with a Yes or a No.. right?

Hugs
Phoenix

[Phoenix]

Oh Hi Nick….

I still think that the explanation you and T8 gave me gives me the impression that He is the Universe

Or have I limited him by thinking that

Hugs
Phoenix

[NickHassan]

Hi P,
No.
The universe is just one of his lesser creations. Heaven is greater with angels and glory .

[Phoenix]

thanks Nick

God Bless

Hugs
Phoenix

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Phoenix @ Feb. 22 2007,08:12)

Hi T8 or anyone who can help I am trying find scripture that explains “what God is” instead of the “I Am who I AM” Is he the Universe? or did he create the Universe? Or is he a spirtual being created out of no where? Im trying to find a thread on that question… sorry Hugs Phoenix

Hi,
I just posted your quote because you said that you were trying to find a thread.

Is there a search function on this forum? I have wanted to search for specific things without going through every thread.

Tim

[TimothyVI]

Hi T8,
You said “If the universe continues to speed up, then it must reach the speed of light at some point. If this happens, then the universe's state would have to change to become infinite, or at least come into a higher dimension or realm or merge into the spiritual realm perhaps”

According to Einstein, nothing can ever reach the speed of light because as an object speeds up in relation to the speed of light,
the speed of light speeds up in relation to that object. That is overly simplified because I am not a physicist, but according to his theory, the universe could never catch up with the speed of light.

Tim

[Phoenix]

Hi Tim

Yep I use that but what the searchs gave me was nothing to the question i was asking. So I had to go through the list and feel this was the closest.

Hugs
Phoenix

[NickHassan]

Hi P,
Dispel doubts.
Pray for faith.

[Phoenix]

Oh Tim

So sorry I read your post wrong. Yes there is a search option at the very top of Forum on the right hand side.

Hugs
Phoenix

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