GOD (Elohim)–It's meaning

[Is 1:18]

That's right Tim, and not only that – there is none like YHWH…..

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,

[Tim2]

Dave,

YHWH isn't used once in Genesis 1. So how do we know that the “God” spoken of there is YHWH?

We're told over and over again that there is no God besides YHWH, and to have no gods before YHWH, that I have to conclude that these other so-called gods are no gods at all.

It also seems that whenever these other gods are mentioned, they are contrasted with YHWH (killed by Him in Psalm 82:7; worship Him in Psalm 97:7; identified as Satan in 2 Corinthians 4:4). So I have to conclude that YHWH is the only God, and that God is YHWH.

When does a saint call one of the so-called gods, “My God?”

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim2,
Indeed fertile ground for speculation.

[Not3in1]

Nick wrote:
Hi Tim2,
You are on your own here.
Your fellow trinity believers are in shock that someone has finally admitted that the result of the trinity theory is that immortal God dies.
But if that is the latest evolutionary step, the most recent edict from Rome, who are they to argue?
*************************

Tim2, I agree with Nick. I am SHOCKED at your statement. I have not heard this from ANY OTHER Trinitarian I have talked to in the past 4 years (and I've talked to nearly 100).

This goes to show you that even within the Trinitarians there are questions about the formula of the tri-une god they serve! I would think there would be much confusion on a definition, because no where can one be found in scripture!

[Not3in1]

not3in1
WJ writes:
Either you do not listen to what a Trinitarian believes or you simply dont understand.

ONE GOD “THREE PERSONS” ONE SPIRIT!
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WJ, oh, I understand alright. Remember I used to be a Trinitarian. I dare say I understand the Trinity as much as you do (in all your wisdom). You see, it doesn't take long, no matter how wise you are, and how well you understand the Trinity dogma, before you run around the One-God-in-three-persons-mullberry-bush! You chase your tail. The teaching doesn't make logical sense, WJ. No matter how you try to explain it with all your condecending wisdom. And putting your belief in all capital letters with exclamation marks after it doesn't make it any CLEARER to your reader – sorry.

[Not3in1]

Tim2 wrote:
If you deny this, you deny the power of the cross. Acts 20:28
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Tim2, let me ask you a question – do you really want to reach others for Christ? Do you really want to “win” us over? If you answered yes to these questions, let me give you some unsolicited advice:

Stop accusing the brethern!

Thanks

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 07 2007,02:35)

not3in1 WJ writes: Either you do not listen to what a Trinitarian believes or you simply dont understand. ONE GOD “THREE PERSONS” ONE SPIRIT! **************************************** WJ, oh, I understand alright.  Remember I used to be a Trinitarian.  I dare say I understand the Trinity as much as you do (in all your wisdom).  You see, it doesn't take long, no matter how wise you are, and how well you understand the Trinity dogma, before you run around the One-God-in-three-persons-mullberry-bush!  You chase your tail.  The teaching doesn't make logical sense, WJ.  No matter how you try to explain it with all your condecending wisdom.  And putting your belief in all capital letters with exclamation marks after it doesn't make it any CLEARER to your reader – sorry.

Not3in1

Since when is an infinitely powerfull and all knowing God to be understood by “human logic”?

Is there anything that you can compare him to?

Our scientist cant even begin to understand the complexity of the human brain, let alone understand the God that made it all. By the way your creator is Yeshua/YHWH?

Please give him the honour due him as God.

Its really sad that you have let men decieve you into accepting another Jesus other than the one you first recieved.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (david @ April 06 2007,20:18)

Quote Elohim is interchangeable with YHWH. Tim is a human.  Therfore, I can use the word “human” and everyone will know I'm talking to you. Oh, but wait.  In the Bible, the word “god” is used of many different ones. Satan is the god of this world. Satan is the YHWH of this world.?? Nope.  They aren't interchangeable. “God” is a descriptive word.  It descibes something about Jehovah and about the angels and Jesus and mOses in relation to pharoah, and the Isrealeite Judges in relation to the isrealites, etc. “Jehovah” is a name. While the word God certainly applies to every instance of the use of Jehovah, “Jehovah” doesn't apply to every instance were we find the word “god.” Therefore, not interchangealbe. Quote he whole point of the Bible is that there is no Elohim besides YHWH. Compared to Jehovah, there is no God.  He is the only true God.

David

If he is the “Only True God” then stop calling other beings God which are no Gods at all!

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2007,02:49)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 07 2007,02:35) not3in1 WJ writes: Either you do not listen to what a Trinitarian believes or you simply dont understand. ONE GOD “THREE PERSONS” ONE SPIRIT! **************************************** WJ, oh, I understand alright.  Remember I used to be a Trinitarian.  I dare say I understand the Trinity as much as you do (in all your wisdom).  You see, it doesn't take long, no matter how wise you are, and how well you understand the Trinity dogma, before you run around the One-God-in-three-persons-mullberry-bush!  You chase your tail.  The teaching doesn't make logical sense, WJ.  No matter how you try to explain it with all your condecending wisdom.  And putting your belief in all capital letters with exclamation marks after it doesn't make it any CLEARER to your reader – sorry. Not3in1 Since when is an infinitely powerfull and all knowing God to be understood by “human logic”? Is there anything that you can compare him to? Our scientist cant even begin to understand the complexity of the human brain, let alone understand the God that made it all. By the way your creator is Yeshua/YHWH? Please give him the honour due him as God. Its really sad that you have let men decieve you into accepting another Jesus other than the one you first recieved.

Hi W,
Mystery Babylon always has the fallback position ready that if you cannot grasp the trinity theory you should not be surprised-no man can understand God.

Sorry W but while we cannot fully undestand our Father God the reason we do not understand trinity is different.

It is because it is not written.

[Tim2]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 07 2007,02:37)

Tim2 wrote: If you deny this, you deny the power of the cross.  Acts 20:28 ******************* Tim2, let me ask you a question – do you really want to reach others for Christ?  Do you really want to “win” us over?  If you answered yes to these questions, let me give you some unsolicited advice: Stop accusing the brethern! Thanks

Hi Not3in1,

I'm sorry to say this, but if you deny the Trinity, you are not a brother of Christ.

Tim

[NickHassan]

Quote (Tim2 @ April 07 2007,06:54)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 07 2007,02:37) Tim2 wrote: If you deny this, you deny the power of the cross.  Acts 20:28 ******************* Tim2, let me ask you a question – do you really want to reach others for Christ?  Do you really want to “win” us over?  If you answered yes to these questions, let me give you some unsolicited advice: Stop accusing the brethern! Thanks   Hi Not3in1, I'm sorry to say this, but if you deny the Trinity, you are not a brother of Christ. Tim

Hi Tim2,
That is odd.
It seems to go far beyond the teachings of Jesus.
Are there any other catholic dogmas that are essential to our salvation?

Prayer to Mary?
Infallibility?
The Mass?

Does your moral superiority in these matters give you confidence that when you meet the Master he knows you?

[Tim2]

Hi Nick,

I'm not morally superior for saying who is and who is not a brother of Christ. That God has revealed His Son in me is grace, with no merit on my part.

Are you not being morally superior when you call me a daughter of the whore of Babylon?

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim2,
Are you a daughter of the Whore?
I have not said so.
But if you are you need to take heed and come out of her.

[Tim2]

Hi Nick,

Maybe I confused you with Ken. But I have heard you throw Babylon at me several times.

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim,
Perhaps so but if you are of the whore then you should come out of her lest you suffer for her crimes against God.

[Tim2]

Hi Nick,

And if you deny that Jesus is God, then you deny the truth and are not saved.

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim2,
So have you added this requirement to salvation?
Have you added any others?

[Tim2]

Hi Nick,

I have not added it. This is the confession of the apostles. John 20:28. If you believe another gospel, you are cursed. Galatians 1:9.

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim2,
Did the apostles bring us this new gospel?
Jesus did not.
Even if they or angels did
whom should we follow?

[Tim2]

Nick,

It's not the gospel that Jesus is the God of those who believe it? What is John 20:28 then?

Tim

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