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Quote (Stu @ July 13 2012,21:48) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2012,14:35) You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want. Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.
What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).
You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.
Stuart
stuif I can understand it you also can but you are inventing reasons that do not appear to be there ,take a deep breath and try again
with a willing nature and mind[/quote]
So in order to accept your fantasy view of the world I have to disregard all my previous knowledge and just accept your claims?That sounds about right.
Stuart
stui this not what you ask from me
media, 28 seconds in and the subtitles have a gang rape, side-effects are dangerous, sex abuse scandal.
To whomever may be concerned;
1) Climate change is a given. The idea that world has a static climate is disproved by the fact the climate is always changing.
2) Man effects climate: Cities are warmer that the surrounding territory.
As far as I can see the change is only in a local area.
1) Media argues that global warming is real because the average temperatures are going up in some areas. This is flawed logic as it is making an all-claim based on some examples. One exception disproves the case.
2) Media argues that global warming is real because the average world temperature is increasing. The logic is flawed because all this means is the warming increase in some areas is large of outweigh even warming decrease in other areas. The existence of any cooling areas falsifies the global warming hypothesis.
These seem tells us but media does a poor job of reporting.
can anyone tell me some prove that men influence the warming of the planet ?
I agree that the warming is there ;but is it a cycle of nature ? or is it men ?
Common sense tells me that man must have some effect, after all he has modified the planet substantially by cutting down many trees which have a cooling effect to polluting the atmosphere. But how much we induce this warming and how harmful is it really are up for grabs. As you ask, warming and cooling is natural, but if you add man into the equation, then is it really catastrophic. The climate has been much warmer in the past. In the frozen depths of the Arctic tundra it has been reported in the past that frozen mammoths with buttercups inside their stomach have been found. Conclusion, it got cold real fast and buttercups grow in warmer climates. Conclusion, we cannot grow buttercups in that environment because it is too cold today.
common sense is not a true and reliable source of truth ,it is only as good has the info we based it on .
so yes the climate is warming up ,but is it a natural occurrence of a provoked one ?
if it is a provoked one then to what extend is it provoked ? and since when ?
if it is of a natural source then when did it start ? how long can it be before a reverse action will occur as a natural event ?
now if it is a natural event and at the same time complimented by the man made behavior what are the % for both cases ?
common sense is not a true and reliable source of truth
The existence of God is common sense and we are without excuse.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
In other words, you do not need to be spiritually minded or have special insight to know God exists. The evidence is detectable using our common senses and understading. Thus men are without excuse if they choose to not believe in him. Remember that our senses and ability to understand was given by God. If men do not use these to understand basic truths, then that is because they are corrupt and sear their conscience.
t8
you misread my words ;I said ;common sense is not a true and reliable source of truth ,it is only as good has the info we based it on .
and you quote me ;”For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”
tell me what would be the info on this ? JN 15:22 “ If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
RO 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
2PE 1:4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.can you see the info on which the common sense is based on ? this is what i am talking about
question;do you think we are born with common sense ?
common sense is not a true and reliable source of truth ,it is only as good has the info we based it on .
This is an oxymoron. It is not common sense if it is based on an unreliable source. Common sense is that which is true and obvious at the same time. No special powers needed to determine it. For example, it is commonsense that God exists. People who deny that are in deception and are willingly ignorant. Here is Wikipedia’s take on it.
Common sense is a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things that is shared by (“common to”) nearly all people and can reasonably be expected of nearly all people without need for debate.
The fact that people even debate something that is common sense means that some are willingly ignorant.
So back to the subject. It is common sense that the climate changes. We see it in one day when the weather changes and over the length of a year with seasons, and over the years with warmer and colder periods. Now with science, we can see that there were epochs, eons, or times when the climate was very different. There is evidence of that temperate to tropical plants once grew in the Arctic for example.
The term common sense is itself common sense as both words stay true to their meaning.
t8
tell me on what is common sense based ?
and my other question you did not addressed ;question;do you think we are born with common sense ?
We are born with a conscience. Common sense is that which we should know. Don’t run into a wall is common sense. We may have to learn common sense as we grow up, but it is obvious stuff. If we didn’t have it, then lots of bad stuff would happen.
Truth is not just revealed supernaturally Terr. It is embedded in creation as it testifies to the majesty of God. A single flower tells us there is a creator. This is common sense. Argue against it all you like, but we should have it and are without excuse because of it. Basic stuff.
so you say that common sense is based on knowledge and understanding right ?
and we are not born with common sense but learn it and can be though it, right ?
Yes we have to learn how to walk while we do not need to learn how to breath. Somethings we are born with, other skills we acquire. But common sense is basically that which we should all know.
t8
so now if we have to learn it ;the base of our learning will become our common sense,and for that reason our common sense can not be a reliable source,
Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.Common sense is attained quickly if we are not stubborn. If I walk into a wall, then I sense that I cannot walk into solid objects. Most would not try and walk into a wall after learning this piece of common sense. Although, some may rebel and do so and then hurt themselves. It is common sense that there is a God too. We are without excuse because that truth is not obtained in a special way. It is obvious and we should all draw that conclusion. But as I said, some ignore common sense and knowledge because they don’t like what it reveals sometimes.
t8
again ,your common sense is based on knowledge and the understanding of what happen ; your example ;hit a wall ;saw the wall but hit it anyway
was hurt =knowledge with understanding NOT TO DO IT AGAIN
the truth is obtained when your knowledge and understanding is truth ,(all things are not as simple as a solid wall )
common sense is basically that which we should all know.
============================================================no,we all learning it ,
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