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Quote (Stu @ July 03 2012,05:39) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2012,00:57) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2012,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2012,05:43) stu “Give me the control of the credit of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws.” The famous boastful statement of Nathaniel Meyer Rothschild, speaking to a group of international bankers, 1912: “The few who could understand the system (cheque, money, credits) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The boastful statement by Rothschild Bros. of London.
And I have no doubt this is the cynical attitude of more than just one Rothschild.Stuart
stuthe fact that the masses still lives is because they are needed for the comfort of the powerfull ,I mean pay for their way of live .
they have a believe be on anyone
All the best in your push for a socialist revolution.Stuart
stusocialism is the extreme of human domination ,this is not my believe but yours ,
this is the fatal outcome of evolution
Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2012,06:40) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2012,05:39) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2012,00:57) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2012,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2012,05:43) stu “Give me the control of the credit of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws.” The famous boastful statement of Nathaniel Meyer Rothschild, speaking to a group of international bankers, 1912: “The few who could understand the system (cheque, money, credits) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The boastful statement by Rothschild Bros. of London.
And I have no doubt this is the cynical attitude of more than just one Rothschild.Stuart
stuthe fact that the masses still lives is because they are needed for the comfort of the powerfull ,I mean pay for their way of live .
they have a believe be on anyone
All the best in your push for a socialist revolution.Stuart
stusocialism is the extreme of human domination ,this is not my believe but yours ,
this is the fatal outcome of evolution
Good to see you are acknowledging that things can be the outcome of evolution.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,00:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2012,06:40) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2012,05:39) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2012,00:57) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2012,04:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2012,05:43) stu “Give me the control of the credit of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws.” The famous boastful statement of Nathaniel Meyer Rothschild, speaking to a group of international bankers, 1912: “The few who could understand the system (cheque, money, credits) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The boastful statement by Rothschild Bros. of London.
And I have no doubt this is the cynical attitude of more than just one Rothschild.Stuart
stuthe fact that the masses still lives is because they are needed for the comfort of the powerfull ,I mean pay for their way of live .
they have a believe be on anyone
All the best in your push for a socialist revolution.Stuart
stusocialism is the extreme of human domination ,this is not my believe but yours ,
this is the fatal outcome of evolution
Good to see you are acknowledging that things can be the outcome of evolution.Stuart
StuYou should know Evolution is your view,not mine .
There is always and evolution to a way of live ,or dead,if you can call our walk to live and dead is in it self a progress into a direction well known ,as per the outcome of the evolution end trip.
Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,18:05) Stu You should know Evolution is your view,not mine .
There is always and evolution to a way of live ,or dead,if you can call our walk to live and dead is in it self a progress into a direction well known ,as per the outcome of the evolution end trip.
That's where your argument comes unstuck (if you actually have an argument – I'm not sure).Evolution by natural selection is the reason we are here, it makes no difference what your “view” is, nor mine, it is just a fact.
So because humans are products of natural selection, every despicable act of the Stalin regime is a product of evolution, and every selfless act of sacrifice for the sake of others is also a product of evolution.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,16:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,18:05) Stu You should know Evolution is your view,not mine .
There is always and evolution to a way of live ,or dead,if you can call our walk to live and dead is in it self a progress into a direction well known ,as per the outcome of the evolution end trip.
That's where your argument comes unstuck (if you actually have an argument – I'm not sure).Evolution by natural selection is the reason we are here, it makes no difference what your “view” is, nor mine, it is just a fact.
So because humans are products of natural selection, every despicable act of the Stalin regime is a product of evolution, and every selfless act of sacrifice for the sake of others is also a product of evolution.
Stuart
stuyou got my argument wrong;
what I was saying or try to say;for the rejection of God ,and the acceptance of evolution in principal ,(science free of God)
the evolution in this human view world also has an evolution that grows and grows or an evolution progress forward ,you know nothing stand still ,and so the future government,made or to come will come to be a socialism the extreme of human domination (Democracy)this would be the select way to go for it pleases the majority ,we can see how it is already at work in the world today,
evolution by selection also has to include the mental aspiration for that selection to become a predominant selection on the planet ,
so the way I can see it is ;the evolution by selection must include all species and the selection of the better fit will be men ,all other species will be destroyed ,for the reasons of FOOD,SPACE, and usefulness,
Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,09:48) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,16:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,18:05) Stu You should know Evolution is your view,not mine .
There is always and evolution to a way of live ,or dead,if you can call our walk to live and dead is in it self a progress into a direction well known ,as per the outcome of the evolution end trip.
That's where your argument comes unstuck (if you actually have an argument – I'm not sure).Evolution by natural selection is the reason we are here, it makes no difference what your “view” is, nor mine, it is just a fact.
So because humans are products of natural selection, every despicable act of the Stalin regime is a product of evolution, and every selfless act of sacrifice for the sake of others is also a product of evolution.
Stuart
stuyou got my argument wrong;
what I was saying or try to say;for the rejection of God ,and the acceptance of evolution in principal ,(science free of God)
the evolution in this human view world also has an evolution that grows and grows or an evolution progress forward ,you know nothing stand still ,and so the future government,made or to come will come to be a socialism the extreme of human domination (Democracy)this would be the select way to go for it pleases the majority ,we can see how it is already at work in the world today,
evolution by selection also has to include the mental aspiration for that selection to become a predominant selection on the planet ,
so the way I can see it is ;the evolution by selection must include all species and the selection of the better fit will be men ,all other species will be destroyed ,for the reasons of FOOD,SPACE, and usefulness,
Democracy isn't socialism. Are you confusing the Democratic Party with democracy? You live in a democracy, in fact one of the strongest there is, not least because it insists on separation of church and state.But it is not a principle of evolution that humans are at the apex and eventually all other species will fall by the wayside. The best adapted species are probably bacteria.
The more we see other species go extinct the more we are threatened by the collapse of the ecosystem on which we depend. There is plenty that is unique about humans, but also really there is nothing that is unique about us when considered from the point of view of the diversity of species.
Evolution by natural selection has no aspiration whatever. It has no goals, it just is.
Stuart
Stu are you still speaking with authority on a subject you have little clue about.
Yes it appears you are.Go back and do some serious research and then return when you have got something to back up your view or enlighten us if you see the light.
Thanks.
Quote (t8 @ July 07 2012,12:21) Stu are you still speaking with authority on a subject you have little clue about.
Yes it appears you are.Go back and do some serious research and then return when you have got something to back up your view or enlighten us if you see the light.
Thanks.
I made at least three separate points. Which are you questioning?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,09:48) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,16:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 06 2012,18:05) Stu You should know Evolution is your view,not mine .
There is always and evolution to a way of live ,or dead,if you can call our walk to live and dead is in it self a progress into a direction well known ,as per the outcome of the evolution end trip.
That's where your argument comes unstuck (if you actually have an argument – I'm not sure).Evolution by natural selection is the reason we are here, it makes no difference what your “view” is, nor mine, it is just a fact.
So because humans are products of natural selection, every despicable act of the Stalin regime is a product of evolution, and every selfless act of sacrifice for the sake of others is also a product of evolution.
Stuart
stuyou got my argument wrong;
what I was saying or try to say;for the rejection of God ,and the acceptance of evolution in principal ,(science free of God)
the evolution in this human view world also has an evolution that grows and grows or an evolution progress forward ,you know nothing stand still ,and so the future government,made or to come will come to be a socialism the extreme of human domination (Democracy)this would be the select way to go for it pleases the majority ,we can see how it is already at work in the world today,
evolution by selection also has to include the mental aspiration for that selection to become a predominant selection on the planet ,
so the way I can see it is ;the evolution by selection must include all species and the selection of the better fit will be men ,all other species will be destroyed ,for the reasons of FOOD,SPACE, and usefulness,
Democracy isn't socialism. Are you confusing the Democratic Party with democracy? You live in a democracy, in fact one of the strongest there is, not least because it insists on separation of church and state.But it is not a principle of evolution that humans are at the apex and eventually all other species will fall by the wayside. The best adapted species are probably bacteria.
The more we see other species go extinct the more we are threatened by the collapse of the ecosystem on which we depend. There is plenty that is unique about humans, but also really there is nothing that is unique about us when considered from the point of view of the diversity of species.
Evolution by natural selection has no aspiration whatever. It has no goals, it just is.
Stuart
stuevolution becomes null when the powerful have spoken (the human race upper selection,;and to be fair to all ,to prevent self destruction ;yes democracy will be socialistic for the the good of the masses ,open your eyes it is in progress now.
Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,13:52) stu evolution becomes null when the powerful have spoken (the human race upper selection,;and to be fair to all ,to prevent self destruction ;yes democracy will be socialistic for the the good of the masses ,open your eyes it is in progress now.
t8? Any clue what he is on about?Stuart
stu
Quote The more we see other species go extinct the more we are threatened by the collapse of the ecosystem on which we depend. There is plenty that is unique about humans, but also really there is nothing that is unique about us when considered from the point of view of the diversity of species. evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity,
Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .
I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .
I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.
Stuart
stuit seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat and drink to survive,
and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,
if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,
Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57) Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .
I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.
Stuart
stuit seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat and drink to survive,
and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,
if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,
Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations. When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait. It depends what it is.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 11 2012,01:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57) Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .
I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.
Stuart
stuit seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat and drink to survive,
and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,
if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,
Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations. When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait. It depends what it is.
Stuart
stuThe theory for evolution related to selection could be true even in creation ,but it could not include men ,because the independant thinking at will ,within his nature,
so for this reason men as to be created in a separated structure from all other creation ,and build on earth just the way we basicly are today ,according to the existing environmental condition of that time .
Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2012,04:31) Quote (Stu @ July 11 2012,01:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57) Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .
I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.
Stuart
stuit seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat and drink to survive,
and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,
if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,
Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations. When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait. It depends what it is.
Stuart
stuThe theory for evolution related to selection could be true even in creation ,but it could not include men ,because the independant thinking at will ,within his nature,
so for this reason men as to be created in a separated structure from all other creation ,and build on earth just the way we basicly are today ,according to the existing environmental condition of that time .
You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want.Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.
What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).
You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 13 2012,21:26) Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2012,04:31) Quote (Stu @ July 11 2012,01:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2012,01:57) Quote (Stu @ July 09 2012,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,15:51) Quote (Stu @ July 07 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2012,14:03) evolution by selection is a men made conclusion ;the effect what it does to men of that acceptance of idea ,will bring down all the rest of humanity, Gods creation was well taught out ,with all the balance needed for men to live in peace but no ,men has to do his own way ,you will see it with your own eyes ,evolution his in truth the obliteration of God as a creator ,
and for this their his a spiritual price to pay,at the end ,the same way than WEN A MAN GOES ON DRUGS , ALCOHOLISM,KILL,STEAL,ECT DEN AFTER 20 YEARS STOPPED ;HE MAY STOP BUT ALL HIS SURROUNDINGS DO NOT AND HIS BODY STRUCTURE DOES NOT ,SO IN TIME PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE PAYED (IN PRISON,HEALTH, EMOTIVELY,ECT
Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be. If you think differently then you think wrongly.But that explanation of how we came to be is not a guideline for how we should live. We have to decide that for ourselves, to the extent we can.
Those who have to deny the simple facts of our history in order to work out how we should live are living a lie.
Stuart
stuQuote Evolution by natural selection is the fact of how we came to be so what you are saying is that NATURE(?) select on is own without rules just a processes that eliminate all defects live so only the best (?)
this may seems of no consequence in the Nature environment when no one think just act ;but it is a different issue in the thinking world where action are related to the thinking ,(and this is also big money
)you see with thinking you are changing the selection ,now the selection takes place by an choice,and so play God .
I think you might be disappointed to find out how little an effect we can consciously have on evolution. We are driving other species to extinction though.Your thinking is all included in the “nature” effect. That is a product of natural selection too. We are not outside the natural world, as I explained.
Stuart
stuit seems to me that “your natural selection ,his as good as saying any animal that breads as to bread to live ,and eat and drink to survive,
and I agree that their is little that we can influence this because it means dead if we stop doing it .there is no thinking needed here,
if this is evolution it would be better not have said anything about this no thinker,
Evolution is not about individuals, it works on populations. When a particular trait gives an advantage to either survival or reproductive success, or both, then it will become more frequent in the population.It is true that you would have to survive in order to pass on that advantageous trait to your offspring, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die if you don't have the trait. It depends what it is.
Stuart
stuThe theory for evolution related to selection could be true even in creation ,but it could not include men ,because the independant thinking at will ,within his nature,
so for this reason men as to be created in a separated structure from all other creation ,and build on earth just the way we basicly are today ,according to the existing environmental condition of that time .
You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want.Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.
What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).
You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.
Stuart
stuif I can understand it you also can but you are inventing reasons that do not appear to be there ,take a deep breath and try again
with a willing nature and mindQuote (terraricca @ July 13 2012,14:35) You are welcome to believe fantasy stories if you want. Read your post carefully: you say you gave a reason, but you didn't actually.
What you would have to do is explain WHY natural selection can't produce independent thinking at will (whatever that is).
You haven't, and the claim is wrong anyway.
Stuart[/quote]
stuif I can understand it you also can but you are inventing reasons that do not appear to be there ,take a deep breath and try again
with a willing nature and mind
So in order to accept your fantasy view of the world I have to disregard all my previous knowledge and just accept your claims?That sounds about right.
Stuart
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