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Canada will benefit from a sea passage (that competes with the Panama Canal) opening up for a longer part of the year. I saw a news article on it and the US wanted control of it.
If New Zealand got warmer it might curb some from moving to Australia. About 10% of kiwis live in Australia.
Quote (t8 @ April 13 2010,13:03) Canada will benefit from a sea passage (that competes with the Panama Canal) opening up for a longer part of the year. I saw a news article on it and the US wanted control of it.
I know. I was going to mention that same thing. To me, it seems ridiculous that some say there is no global warming. You can dispute that it is human caused, but from where I'm sitting, (on ice) I don't see how you can wonder whether the planet is warming up.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2009,17:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2009,08:48) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 26 2009,16:24)
Hi t8Global warming is one of the biggest scams going on today.
Unfortunately people like one of our own “Al Gore” who is a huge leader in the movement is making millions off of his fraudulent Campaign.
The hypocrisy of the movement is amazing seeing how that most of the supporters want us to give up certain things while they do nothing to make a difference like selling their gas guzzlers or giving up eating meat so that we do not have to have so many cows farting in the air!
Amazing!
WJ
You can't be serious. You call Global warming a scam and what evidence do you have?You are quite the humourous
BDWhere do you live?
Here is the middle eastern states there have been new records of cold and snow storms and blizzards.
Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend.
It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 14 2010,09:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 26 2009,17:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2009,08:48) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 26 2009,16:24)
Hi t8Global warming is one of the biggest scams going on today.
Unfortunately people like one of our own “Al Gore” who is a huge leader in the movement is making millions off of his fraudulent Campaign.
The hypocrisy of the movement is amazing seeing how that most of the supporters want us to give up certain things while they do nothing to make a difference like selling their gas guzzlers or giving up eating meat so that we do not have to have so many cows farting in the air!
Amazing!
WJ
You can't be serious. You call Global warming a scam and what evidence do you have?You are quite the humourous
BDWhere do you live?
Here is the middle eastern states there have been new records of cold and snow storms and blizzards.
Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend.
It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!
WJ
Climate change is effected by global warmingScience
For over the past 200 years, the burning of fossil fuels, such as coal and oil, and deforestation have caused the concentrations of heat-trapping “greenhouse gases” to increase significantly in our atmosphere. These gases prevent heat from escaping to space, somewhat like the glass panels of a greenhouse.Greenhouse gases are necessary to life as we know it, because they keep the planet's surface warmer than it otherwise would be. But, as the concentrations of these gases continue to increase in the atmosphere, the Earth's temperature is climbing above past levels. According to NOAA and NASA data, the Earth's average surface temperature has increased by about 1.2 to 1.4ºF in the last 100 years. The eight warmest years on record (since 1850) have all occurred since 1998, with the warmest year being 2005. Most of the warming in recent decades is very likely the result of human activities. Other aspects of the climate are also changing such as rainfall patterns, snow and ice cover, and sea level.
If greenhouse gases continue to increase, climate models predict that the average temperature at the Earth's surface could increase from 3.2 to 7.2ºF above 1990 levels by the end of this century. Scientists are certain that human activities are changing the composition of the atmosphere, and that increasing the concentration of greenhouse gases will change the planet's climate. But they are not sure by how much it will change, at what rate it will change, or what the exact effects will be. See the Science and Health and Environmental Effects sections of this site for more detail, or review the answers to some frequent science questions.
http://epa.gov/climatechange/basicinfo.html
Now WJ, just think of it this way. The more water that is evaporated and then dispersed back into the earth the more drastic things like snow and rain will be in some places.
we know that God seperated the water above from the waters below so if the waters below pick up pace because of heat then they will arise into the atmosphere and get blown to places where there will be increasef rain and snowfall.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 14 2010,09:55) Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend. It don't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!
WJ
If you did know something about science, say for example the fact that the UK will freeze if global warming changes ocean currents and disrupts the gulf stream, then perhaps you would be able to figure these things out.Stuart
Global Warming suggests that there will be more energy in the weather system and therefore greater extremes and more violent storms. Whether it is true or not, even the bible suggests that the end times will be wrought with floods, droughts, famines, etc.
So both Global Warming and prophecy predict the same thing.
I guess what is debatable is the cause. Is it man, the sun, the earth? Popular theory says man is the cause, but there is also some reasons to believe that the sun is the cause. After all, there are now a number of storms on Jupiter, (not just one Great Red Spot) and some say that this hints at climate change, and if so, then that is obviously not a man-made cause, leading to a possibility that man is not the main cause on Earth either.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech….t_x.htmI know this is sort of off topic but (I cant find anywhere else to put it)
A quarter of a million deaths from earthquakes in the past 4 mounths
Earthquakes occuring in populated areas
Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Have a look at this graph:
While the obvious thing to do when confronted with statistics like these is to slaughter a goat, I believe we should turn to the Holy Wikipedia, which says this:
The number of seismic stations has increased from about 350 in 1931 to many thousands today. As a result, many more earthquakes are reported than in the past, but this is because of the vast improvement in instrumentation, rather than an increase in the number of earthquakes. The USGS estimates that, since 1900, there have been an average of 18 major earthquakes (magnitude 7.0-7.9) and one great earthquake (magnitude 8.0 or greater) per year, and that this average has been relatively stable. In recent years, the number of major earthquakes per year has decreased, although this is thought likely to be a statistical fluctuation rather than a systematic trend. More detailed statistics on the size and frequency of earthquakes is available from the USGS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake
Stuart
On an related unrelated topic, it is a bit unnerving to see one's own country obliterated by little epicentre dots (look to the right of Australia to not find New Zealand):
Stuart
Quote Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend. –A wacko.
Since you seem to think locally, perhaps climate change is more understandable for you than “global warming.”
If you fill a glass up with ice so that it is overflowing, and then heated the glass up (global warming) the ice would overflow down the side of the glass. Any little people living near the bottom of that glass would experience cold water, and colder temperatures, despite the fact that the glass as a whole is warming up.
The point is that warmer temperatures on a global scale do not mean uniform warmer temperatures for everyone.
You should watch a Nova special. Or maybe a national geographic special.
Do not confuse local weather with climate.
Global warming means the global average temperature is increasing, this doesn't necessarily mean that the temperatures at all places around the globe increase at all times, merely that the average does.
And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing.
Stuart, You'l notice the big earthquakes used to occur more at sea, where lately its been populated places. Thats what the difference has been.
David wrote:
Quote And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing. 
I don't think anything about the earth's climate is “stupidly easy”, including predicting long term trends. Check out the source of the above chart. While these guys agree that man is affecting the earth's climate (potentially making things warmer in the near term) they are predicting a return to an ice age – perhaps a “great” one – by the end of the 21st century.
I think that the cartoonish (and forged) “hockey stick” projections for earth's climate are a bit too “stupidly easy” to account for all of the various factors that produced the historical temperature trends depicted above.
Quote (david @ April 20 2010,03:43) Quote Whats funny is the Global warming wackos acually claim that these cold spells and record breaking cold temperatures are part of the Global warming trend. –A wacko.
Since you seem to think locally, perhaps climate change is more understandable for you than “global warming.”
If you fill a glass up with ice so that it is overflowing, and then heated the glass up (global warming) the ice would overflow down the side of the glass. Any little people living near the bottom of that glass would experience cold water, and colder temperatures, despite the fact that the glass as a whole is warming up.
The point is that warmer temperatures on a global scale do not mean uniform warmer temperatures for everyone.
You should watch a Nova special. Or maybe a national geographic special.
Do not confuse local weather with climate.
Global warming means the global average temperature is increasing, this doesn't necessarily mean that the temperatures at all places around the globe increase at all times, merely that the average does.
And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing.
DavidYour example of a glass is not a good one for if you heat up the glass no part of what is in the glass will get colder will it?
Global warming is a big money scheme. All you have to do is follow the money to see that it is a false claim or at best over rated.
Whos the Wacko now?
WJ
Quote If you fill a glass up with ice so that it is overflowing, and then heated the glass up (global warming) the ice would overflow down the side of the glass. David,
Actually ice is expanded taking up more volume so if you heap ice in a glass and warm it you end up with a less than full glass.My opinion is that it is much more hype than facts and for my part I believe most of it is a normal cycle, but it is politically expedient so it won't go away even if proved wrong (which according to some sources it has been).
My opinion – Wm
Hi seekingtruth.
There in lies a dilemma. If icebergs are mostly below sea level with one-tenth of the volume above water, then when it melts due to warming, the amount of space decreases leading to a slight fall in sea level. Try a reverse experiment by filling up a bottle of water and putting it in a freezer.
However, ice that sits on land, when it melts will contribute to a rise in sea level and a warmer temperature itself creates thermal expansion. i.e., its particles begin move to more which creates greater volume.
Simplistically speaking you would expect that the first ice to melt would be ice shelfs and icebergs leading to an initial drop in sea level followed by land ice leading to an increase. However, I did see a doco once (but I wasn't paying too much attention) that said something like land ice is melting and forms a kind of river that flows under the ice shelf.
However, if you measured all the ice that is not on land, including the Arctic, that would surely lead to a considerable drop if most of that ice was under the water. I don't know what the percentage of ice below the sea and above it is. It probably doesn't match the same proportion as icebergs.
At least one credit climate scientists got was what they did after Mount Pinatubo’s 1991 eruption. They entered the event into their climate models (well after the event), the models reported that Earth would have cooled by around 0.5°C a year or so later. The prediction matched cooling that had been observed around the globe after the eruption. Although you could argue that it is easy to make a prediction when you already know the answer, especially if you have the power to tweak the model.
Quote (Stu @ April 20 2010,18:25) On an related unrelated topic, it is a bit unnerving to see one's own country obliterated by little epicentr
I can't even see New Zealand, although Japan looks pretty serious. I think Japan is the most earthquake prone country.Western Australia had a 5.0 the other day. Certainly qualifies as a diverse place when it comes to earthquakes. The workers in two mines there got the day off.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 21 2010,02:18) David wrote: Quote And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing. I don't think anything about the earth's climate is “stupidly easy”, including predicting long term trends. Check out the source of the above chart. While these guys agree that man is affecting the earth's climate (potentially making things warmer in the near term) they are predicting a return to an ice age – perhaps a “great” one – by the end of the 21st century.
I think that the cartoonish (and forged) “hockey stick” projections for earth's climate are a bit too “stupidly easy” to account for all of the various factors that produced the historical temperature trends depicted above.
What is “depicted above” is hilarious.Thanks for the laugh.
Stuart
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