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Hi KW,
Yes prov 20 is relevant.
But tell us of the godly or ungodly spirits natural men have in your opinion and where are these mentioned in scripture?
If you mean the Holy Spirit as the godly one no natural man has this till he is reborn from above.
If you mean ungodly is demonic then can you clarify?
Jesus suggested the sons of Zebedee were driven by other spirits and even Peter had a spirit in him rebuked.
Hi KW,
It is a misconception that the situation is black and white.
Paul was reborn of the Holy Spirit yet he was tormented by SIN IN THE FLESH to the extent he wanted to die.
[Rom7]
Being given an earnest of the Spirit means we are given access to the grace to allow us to become OVERCOMERS.
Perfect men do not exist and all who have been rescued are in the fight of their lives for their souls.
Like the Jews being given the promised land we have to fight for every inch of that territory.
Hi GB,
The Human spirit is the candle of the Lord.
It is not your intelligence or intellect or the ability to rationalise stuff.
It is not of your weak human mind but it is the tool by which God knows our hearts and minds-HIS CANDLE.
t8 – “And GOD said, “Let Us…”
you say…
The plurality of the word “us” is the Father and the Son
Q. How can you include the Son when it is God speaking…? (that is my argument)…!?
Seriously – I have to wonder if you smoke pot..
Man has a spirit and can be in unity with God’s Spirit. It is not written that we or Jesus lost our spirit when we received the Spirit. Do you teach that we lose our spirit when we are born-again. And do you teach that Jesus lost his spirit when he was baptized by the Spirit of God? You will find that we become one in unity with the Spirit rather than losing our spirit.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.Nick, it seems like you are teaching that the Jesus who inhabited the flesh actually died and did not rise from the grave at all, but taken over or replaced by the Spirit of God which did rise from the grave later. Is this a case of body snatching Nick, or are we reading your words incorrectly? Sorry to out it that way if it comes across as offensive, but that is what it looks like you are saying.
Q. How can you include the Son when it is God speaking…? (that is my argument)…!?
Seriously – I have to wonder if you smoke pot..I don’t smoke Pot as I want to be sober minded.
- God made all things through the Son.
- God made all things through the Word.
- God made all things with Wisdom at his side.
Call Jesus the Son, the Logos, or Wisdom, but he is not God who was the one who made all things through Christ. God made them through him and for him.
Pretty simple stuff isn’t it. No need for a Third Century theological creed to explain it. Even a child can understand it the way scripture puts it. And no it is not Pot talking it is scripture. I can quote them if you really need me to. Hopefully you know the scriptures already. If not I will tell you them.
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hi t8
“Man has a spirit and can be in unity with God’s Spirit. It is not written that we or Jesus lost our spirit when we received the Spirit. Do you teach that we lose our spirit when we are born-again. And do you teach that Jesus lost his spirit when he was baptized by the Spirit of God? [NO]You will find that we become one in unity with the Spirit rather than losing our spirit.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.[YES]Nick, it seems like you are teaching that the Jesus who inhabited the flesh actually died and did not rise from the grave at all, but taken over or replaced by the Spirit of God which did rise from the grave later. Is this a case of body snatching Nick, or are we reading your words incorrectly? Sorry to out it that way if it comes across as offensive, but that is what it looks like you are saying.”
Jesus died on calvary and his human spirit left as scripture confirms.
Jesus was raised by the Spirit of eternal life resident in him.
That is our hope too
Hi t8,
As you know we are soul enlivened by a spirit in a body.
As you also showed in Rom 8 the human spirit abides with the Holy Spirit in us after rebirth from above.
As Jesus told us to come to him for the waters of life [jn7.37f] and as Ecc 12 shows us we need to find the waters of eternal life before the cord of life breaks[we die]and our bucket falls to the bottom of the well.
Losing our human spirit will not change us as it only gave us life and having life in the Spirit gives us so much more including unity with the Father and the Son.
t8…Genesis 1:26 – here’s what you have stated about this verse..
The plurality of the word “us” is the Father and the Son. So when God says “Let us make man in our image” it is the Father talking to the Son.
Can you see what you have said..? In your attempt to explain the Son, you have included Him in the word “GOD”
Read it again… maybe you need to revise your theology..!? (or give it up).
Hi t8,
All after the judgement who are alive as alive because they share in the Spirit of God
That is eternal.
Nick,
Hi KW,
Yes prov 20 is relevant.
But tell us of the godly or ungodly spirits natural men have in your opinion and where are these mentioned in scripture?
If you mean the Holy Spirit as the godly one no natural man has this till he is reborn from above.
If you mean ungodly is demonic then can you clarify?
Jesus suggested the sons of Zebedee were driven by other spirits and even Peter had a spirit in him rebuked.
Proverbs is addressing a time before the Counselor is given to believers and so it is not speaking about the Holy Spirit but it is speaking about the spirit of a man. If a man is looking to do all that is right even though he is chained to sin then he is said to have a godly spirit. The man who does not seek to do all that is right has an ungodly spirit even if he has the Spirit to live by.
The spirit of the man with a godly spirit testifies with the Holy Spirit that Jesus is King of all things in heaven and on earth as well as believes in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead. A person like that comes to believe the teaching of the trinity and other false teaching are lies because they are alien to what he believes in his heart.
The man with a ungodly spirit will seek those things that cause him to feel better as he continues to live an ungodly life. Among those things they seek is false teachings.
Gene,
KERWIN……it says,”THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS THE CANDEL OF THE LORD, SEARCHING ALL THE INWARD PARTS OF THE BELLY”
Explain how you get you assumptions from that.
A candle is not, THE BREATH OF LIFE, NOR THE BREATH OF ANYTHING, it is a candel meaning a “LIGHT” that gives us our mental understanding (intellect) which inables OR GIVES us the ABILITY to search the inward parts the belly, (SIMPLY PUT, TO RATIONALIZE HIDDEN THINGS OUT ). It says it comes from the LORD, and when we die “IT” the SPIRIT, goes back to where “IT” came from, to him who gave “IT” (SPIRIT), “IT” GIVES US OUR INTELLEGNCE WE HAVE, it is From GOD, “it” can never die because “it” belongs to GOD, AND IS FROM GOD, AND RETURNS TO GOD, SPIRIT IS WHAT LIFE “ITSELF” IS. No physical then that has life can live without spirit in it, from one living cell to a GIANT WHALE, WHITOUT SPIRIT FROM GOD NO PHYSICAL LIVING THING HAS LIFE IN ITSELF ie, it’s SOUL.
LIFE “is” SPIRIT and WORDS ARE THE EXPRESSIONS OF THAT LIVING SPIRIT IN A BEING, RATHER GOD OR ANGEL, OR MAN. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT, IT’S JUST WHAT TYPE OR KIND IS IN THE “BEING” it will EVIDENCE ITSELF, AND YOU CAN KNOW WHAT KIND OR TYPE OF SPIRIT WHICH IS EFFECTING THE PERSON, THERE WORDS GIVE THE SPIRITS IN THEM AWAY. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
In this case I am not completely sure of the relationship between the spirit of a human being and the breath God gave to him. They could be one and the same though I do not think so. The reason I do not think so is that the ghost of Samuel revealed he was still self motivated even to the point of being carried along by the Holy Spirit. I realize you do not accept that as evidence as you choose not to believe in the existence of ghosts even though it is clearly such but your unbelief does not change the truth.
I know it is the breath that returns to God because that is what God gave. I know the soul descends to the Netherworld because that is what Scripture states. I am confident about the spirit because it in a general word that is also used to describe a specific part of a spiritual being.
Hi KW,
Was the Spirit of Christ not in the prophets?[1 peter 1]
Men with GODLY spirits do not appear in scripture but in your imagination.
Nick,
I chose my words carefully in attempt to avoid giving the idea that Samuel lived by the Holy Spirit. Instead it spoke through him and foretold King Saul’s fate.
It could be construed to be an indication of more than one person talking.
No, it is not an indication of more than one person talking.
It is a figure of speech called heterosis of number or majestic plural or plural of intensity.
Much like the Queen of England states, “We, the queen of England…”
She states “we” to intensify the majesty of her position as monarch.
Likewise God uses the majestic plural to add emphasis to His sovereignty regarding what he is about to do.
Any one who has paid attention to the hundreds and hundreds of places that God refers to himself as “I” or “He” singular, not plural would realize that the use of “us” and “we” is a figure of speech, not literal.
sonofGod,
There is the group plural such as when a bench warmer declares “we won the game” even when he did not actually play in the game.
I favor that as what is being used because angels look like human beings and were there to witness creation as part of the unity of the Spirit.
Nick,
When using a collective pronoun it does not matter as long there were angels that looked like men contributing to creation. In the example I used a person that sits on the bench and does nothing else is considered a contributing member because he is recognized as a part of the team.
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