Genesis 1, was god himself the us and our

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 15 2011,04:21)

Gerog………….Because you are ignorant about what i am saying , that does not make you right either. I am serious and the scriptures i Quoted you are serious also, you just simple do not understand them. IMO

peace and love…………………………………..gene

Well, I tell you this; if, what you bring forth call intelligence, I am glad to be ignorant.

Georg

January 15, 2011 at 4:57 pm#233255

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Georg…………..I realize your GLAD to be “IGNORANT” as your say. BUT then that is your problem right? Not Mine> SCRIPTURE says there (ARE) seven SPIRITS of GOD. I personally don't care if you don't believe what scripture says or not. Scripture also say the rest of the dead do not live (UNTIL) THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE (FINISHED)> But you say they are all raised in the thousand year period. So who do we believe you and your MYSTERY RELIGION or SCRIPTURE?

gene

January 16, 2011 at 12:32 am#233333

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Mike……..answer No, i “THINK” among my (SPIRITS), that is called REASONING.

Okay Gene,

If you don't TALK to your spirits as if they are different people, why do you think God was talking to His 7 spirits as if they were different people in Genesis?

And why are you getting all defensive? I'm only asking questions.

mike

January 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm#233354

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Mike…………Who ever said SPIRIT are PEOPLE is that another of your false dogmas. Spirit are (INTELLECTS) which we can consider as attributes, or distinct intelligences, and there are SEVEN OF THESE SPIRIT (INTELLECTS) THAT REPRESENT ONE GOD. One of these is the SPIRIT (intellect) of the Truth given to those who have it by GOD the FATHER, Jesus has all seven Spirit in Him Now as revelation clearly shows. Reason is the process of using these distinct Spirits (intellects) GOD gave more of these to man then the others creatures he created, If you will or can , notice in Genesis God starts off creating thing as GOD Said and it was SO, but when it comes to man then the vernacular changes to the US and the OUR. (IMAGE) of GOD is a accumulation of SEVEN SPIRIT (intellects) with POWER and these are the SEVEN EYES of GOD that go to and fro through out the whole earth they are in all creation in this earth just as it say they are. If you can notice that the eyes are in the wings of the four beasts also (why symbolically wings) because these spirit intellects lift up a person to see and understand the thing of GOD and they are in the creatures that surround the throne of GOD. Check it out perhaps you might be able to see that.

Read it for yourself and put it together. No where do it say the US or the OUR is JESUS and GOD CREATING anything, it was just GOD
and his seven Spirits IMO, trying to add Jesus in there is another false assumption by the false teachings of preexistences who desperately try to separate us from our identity with Jesus our Brother and fellow human beings . They just do not want to believe Jesus was truly a PURE HUMAN BEING nothing MORE and NOTHING LESS.Who GOD Chose to perfect and bring about his purposes for all man kind. He was the first (HUMAN) to reach that goal God had in mind in the beginning. A foreordained “HUMAN BEING” not a morphed any thing. IMO

peace and love…………………………………gene

January 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm#233358

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2011,22:55)

No where do it say the US or the OUR is JESUS and GOD CREATING anything, it was just GOD
and his seven Spirits IMO

Fair enough Gene,

It is your OPINION that God was talking to His seven spirits, although that's never said.

It is my OPINION that God was talking to our Lord, through whom all things were created, although that's never said either.

For once, your OPINION does not go against any specific scriptures that I know of, so I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this one.

I will point out that only two things are said to be made in God's image in the scriptures. Jesus and mankind. So for God to say, “Let us make man in OUR image”, He had to have been talking to someone who already shared His image, right?

peace and love,
mike

January 17, 2011 at 5:07 pm#233496

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Mike………….Wrong, it is not my opinion There are Seven Spirit of GOD.

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel (messenger) of the Church in Sardis write; These things saith (HE THAT HAS THE (SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD),…………>

Rev 4:5….> AND out of the throne proceeded lightings and thunderings and voices and seven lamps of fire burning befor the throne, which (ARE THE SEVEN (SPIRITS OF GOD).

Rev 5:6…> A i beheld, and lo , in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, (HAVING) SEVEN HORNS AND SEVEN EYES< WHICH (ARE) THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, sent forth into all the earth.

MIke wen are you going to start believing what is written, The reason you don't understand this is because you have no idea what SPIRIT REALLY (IS)> or this would be easy to understand , but in your case you must (CHANGE IT) to meet some false teachings you people have falsely put together form your false past dogmas recieved from the Gnostic's and trinitarians and preexistences. IMO

peace and love……………………………………….gene

January 17, 2011 at 6:46 pm#233499

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gene

Scripture also says there are seven horns on the lamb, and since the lamb is Jesus Christ that must mean, Jesus is a lamb with seven horns, and seven eyes.

Maybe you can explain to me what this scripture means?

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Why are there only “seven” churches mentioned, were there no other churches around?
were these seven churches only that had problems?
Who are the stars of the seven churches?
what do the seven golden candlesticks mean?

I'm ignorant, I don't know, that is why I ask an expert.
And what is my “mystery” scripture?
If there are to many questions, you can split them up.

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 12:08 am#233548

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Geneis One states …> In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. 2, The earth was without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the SPIRIT of GOD was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then GOD Said let there be light and there was light.
4 God saw the light and it was good: and GOD divided the light from the darkness.
5 GOD called the light Day and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

The story continues and notice only GOD Himself is Mentioned and no others is. This goes on until chapter 26, GOD alone is the ONLY ONE Mentioned in all creation so far, but When the creation of Man begins There (seems) to be a difference taking place there , the term US and OUR is Used.

26 Then GOD said “LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, ACCORDING TO OUR LIKENESS. Now also notice in verse 27 it reverts back to a single GOD, 27…> SO GOD (singular) created Man in (HIS) singular Image : in the IMAGE of GOD HE (singular) created Him male and female HE (singular) created them.

Now there is our dilemma at one place it uses a {Plural form and at another a singular form . Many assume that means Jesus and GOD there. But that is not what is written there. We could force the text and draw that conclusion but it would be a wrong one IMO>

So how can we resolve this seemingly contradiction, Is GOD one or is he and US or and OUR. Fact is GOD is both a Singular and a Plural , When GOD created Man to image Him it required Man to have More of GOD'S SPIRITS (INTELLECTS), then the other creatures GOD had created to be (IN) Man. Man needed to contain mosts if not all of the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD to be in Him in order for Him to IMAGE or MIRROR and REFLECT GOD .

WE are told there are SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD and these all compose ONE GOD, Much like a like our members compose one being so it is with GOD seven Spirits compose one GOD. IMO

like to know what others think. If perhaps there are not other scripture that back this up.

peace and love to you all……………………………gene

Gene:

When God said “Let Us” and “in our image” he was speaking to the angels:

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Job 38
The LORD Reveals His Omnipotence to Job
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?

3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4 “ Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,

7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 18, 2011 at 12:27 am#233552

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Marty……….. He said “let us (create) man, angels don't create anything, only GOD DOES. I don't doubt the angels were there, Just like people were there when He parted the sea and they escaped the Egyptians or when miracles were done by him for others and he still does them. But none of any of these Angels or any man for that matter every (CREATED)anything, but GOD and his SEVEN CREATIVE SPIRITS,(INTELLECTS) alone and by himself did it all. That is the GLORY He gives to (NO) Man, or ANGLE either. He Alone by His Seven Spirits(intellects) Created all thing that exist. Marty Jesus was not there or even existed at the time of the creation. At lest he never said he was there or even existed then , and Jesus said He told us every thing he had recieved from the Father. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Marty………………………………………….gene

January 18, 2011 at 12:36 am#233557

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gene[/quote]
Scripture also says there are seven horns on the lamb, and since the lamb is Jesus Christ that must mean, Jesus is a lamb with seven horns, and seven eyes.

Maybe you can explain to me what this scripture means?

Georg……….Glad to explain to you what the Horns represent (THEY REPRESENT POWER). But even if you don't know that because it is not explained there, the SEVEN EYES (ARE) EXPLAINED THERE RIGHT? Let me help you (“WHICH ARE THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD”) , it is just as i said you either believe what scripture say or not, that is your influenced choice. IMO

peace and love………………………………..gene

January 18, 2011 at 12:39 am#233558

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,10:27)

peace and love to you and yours Marty………………………………………….gene

Speaking of Jesus.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Let “US” means, the Father and his son, Jesus.

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 12:48 am#233560

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Georg…………..O really, i guess they just forgot to write Jesus in there right. No problem you people can write it there yourselves right? If you will take tome to look up the word BY, just like the Word Through you can see where it is translated 40-70 absolute different way, So where would the error more then likely be in Genesis or Col 1:16. Being in the (IMAGE) of GOD is quite different then BEING GOD. Or have you forgot Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF> Georg you need to come completely out of all those false teaching you have nurtured all these many years and star anew. IMO

peace and love…………………………..gene

January 18, 2011 at 1:15 am#233568

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,10:48)

peace and love…………………………..gene

You tell me this is not speaking of Jesus.

Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Col 1:7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;

Col 1:8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.

Col 1:9 ¶ For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

Col 1:11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

God is spirit, and so is Jesus, that is the “image” God created Jesus in. I never said Jesus is God.

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Col 1:24 ¶ Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

You should really read your Bible.

Georg

January 18, 2011 at 2:18 am#233576

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,10:27)

peace and love to you and yours Marty………………………………………….gene

Hi Gene:

He said: “Let us “make” man in our image. He did not say “create”. To make man in his image is a progression. The angels helped in this as they ministered the Word of God to man.

The scripture ending states “God created man…” God is the creator, and no one else.

The first man was created by God and then made a living soul by the breath of God. The last Adam was made a live-giving spirit. This is a progression that is accomplished as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives.

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26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Love in Christ,
Marty

January 18, 2011 at 3:44 am#233589

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Mike………….Wrong, it is not my opinion There are Seven Spirit of GOD.

Gene,

It IS your OPINION that God was talking to His seven spirits in Genesis 1:26. That's what I was saying. Can't you read?

You do this crap all the time. I didn't say it was your opinion that God had seven spirits. I said it was your opinion that the seven spirits are who He was talking to in Genesis 1:26.

Do you have a scripture that says the “US” in Genesis was God's seven spirits? No? Then it is simply YOUR OPINION……….just like I said.

January 18, 2011 at 3:46 am#233591

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Speaking of Jesus.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Let “US” means, the Father and his son, Jesus.

Georg

Amen Georg. What more is there to say?

mike

January 18, 2011 at 3:24 pm#233624

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Mike………….Wrong, it is not my opinion There are Seven Spirit of GOD.

Gene,

It IS your OPINION that God was talking to His seven spirits in Genesis 1:26. That's what I was saying. Can't you read?

You do this crap all the time. I didn't say it was your opinion that God had seven spirits. I said it was your opinion that the seven spirits are who He was talking to in Genesis 1:26.

Do you have a scripture that says the “US” in Genesis was God's seven spirits? No? Then it is simply YOUR OPINION……….just like I said.

MIke…………Your are right it is my opinion, Just as it is Your opinion Jesus was the US and the OUR in Geneses ALSO. Do you have a Scripture that say that Jesus was the US or the OUr in Genesis”, NO YOU DON'T> But my OPINION shows GOD can speak of Himself as a Plural Form and be the US or the OUR in Genesis. You does not. My Opinion fits with GOD saying HE “ALONE” CREATED ALL THE EARTH AND EVERY THING IN IT BY “HIMSELF”, as he said he did. Yours does NOT> So i will go with MY OPINION rather than YOU OPINION> OK IMO

peace and love……………………………..gene

January 18, 2011 at 4:16 pm#233627

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Speaking of Jesus.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Let “US” means, the Father and his son, Jesus.

Georg

Amen Georg. What more is there to say?

mike

Georg…………..So to you ALL thing were CREATED BY JESUS right?, THEN WHY DOSE GOD SAY “HE (ALONE ) AND BY (HIMSELF)” CREATED THE EARTH AND ALL THE THING IN IT, And Why does Paul say GOD is the CREATOR of ALL things.

Acts 17:24……> GOD that made the world and (ALL THINGS) therein, seeing that he is LORD of Heaven and earth, dwells not in temples made of hands. verse 25..> Neither is worshiped with mens hands, as thought he needed any thing, seeing he gives to all life. and breath, and (ALL THINGS). verse 26….> And has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined the times befopre appointed, and the bounds of their habitations; verse 27….> That they should seek (THE LORD) , if haply they might feel after him and find him though he be not far from (EVERYONE OF US); verse 28…> For (IN HIM) we live and move, and have (OUR BEING) as certain of your poets have said, For we are also HIS OFFSPRING> verse 29, For as much then as we are the (OFFSPRING OF GOD) we ought not to think the the Godhead is like unto Gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and mans device…………..> verse 32…> Because He has appointed a day, in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that (MAN) whom HE Has (ORDAINED) where in he has given assurance unto all, in that (HE HAS RAISED ) him from the DEAD.

Georg please read it all and this should tell you who is the creator of all thing and that a MAN (Jesus) who was ordained by Him and raised from the dead was A MAN he plans to Judge us by and Not a Preexistent anything but simply a MAN raised from the DEAD. Also note it was GOD himself who does it ALL, no one else is or was involved in it. IMO

Georg ..go and check out the word BY and see how many different way it can and is translated, the word “BY”< there should be better translated FOR or for the cause of. Check it out.

peace and love……………………………………gene

January 18, 2011 at 4:18 pm#233628

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peace and love to you and yours Marty………………………………………….gene

Hi Gene:

He said: “Let us “make” man in our image. He did not say “create”. To make man in his image is a progression. The angels helped in this as they ministered the Word of God to man.

The scripture ending states “God created man…” God is the creator, and no one else.

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27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty……Actually the word is creating them he is , and it does show a continuing process brother , you are right on that.

peace and love………………………..gene

January 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm#233629