Genesis 1, was god himself the us and our

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Pierre, you want candy…that's made me smile.

We differ on who is at #4 but we are very, very close and that's good.

Kathi

read it again and take your glasses off ,

#4 i said it is God and added ; the messenger is Jesus

Pierre

December 31, 2010 at 4:29 am#230637

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Mike

Mal 3:1-3
3 “Behold, 1. I am going to send 2. My messenger, and he will clear the way before 3. Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to 4. His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, 5. He is coming,” says the Lord of hosts.
2 “But who can endure the day of 6. His coming? And who can stand when 7. He appears? For 8. He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.
3 “9. He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and 10. He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.
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Hi Kathi,

1. YHVH my view;same

2. YHVH my view ;God the messenger John the baptist
3. YHVH my view ;God the lord Jesus

4. YHVH my view ;God the messenger Jesus
5. Jesus my view ;Jesus ;the Lord of Host =God
6. YHVH my view ;Jesus
7. YHVH my view ;Jesus
8. YHVH my view ;Jesus
9. YHVH my view ;Jesus
10. YHVH my view ;Jesus

this is the way I understand it from scriptures.

Pierre

Hi Mike and Pierre,
Thanks for your patience.

1. The Father
2. The Father
3. The Father
4-10 The Son

That's what I think. I noticed that many commentators believe 1-10 is the Son.

Pierre,
Actually I'll leave my glasses on…they allow me to see Maybe you need to change your prescription. Look at #4 “His temple.” The word “His” refers to “the Lord” in the same verse, verse 3 and “the Lord” is Christ who is the one coming.

Mal 3:1-3
3 “Behold, 1. I am going to send 2. My messenger, and he will clear the way before 3. Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to 4. His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, 5. He is coming,” says the Lord of hosts.
2 “But who can endure the day of 6. His coming? And who can stand when 7. He appears? For 8. He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.
3 “9. He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and 10. He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.
NASU

December 31, 2010 at 4:30 am#230639

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Pierre,
It is difficult to see the verse numbers because of the numbered pronouns in the above post.

December 31, 2010 at 4:38 am#230640

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Pierre,
It is difficult to see the verse numbers because of the numbered pronouns in the above post.

Kathi

so what you saying is the “”the Lord = Jesus comes to his temple,right ??to me it His God who comes to his temple

and the messenger his ?? he is Christ

Pierre

December 31, 2010 at 4:43 am#230642

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Kathi

2) John 1;23 and Isa;40;3
3)Mica;5;2
4)Isa;63;9 and Ps27;4
5)S.of S;6;10
6)1Sam;6;20
7)1John;3;2
8)Isa;9
9)Isa;1;25 Ps;12;6
10)Dan;12;10

so let see your scriptures to prove your truth.

Pierre

December 31, 2010 at 5:49 am#230662

dirtyknections

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I drive a Chevrolet. It says on the door seal that it was manufactured by Chevrolet. With that said I know that altho the car says it was manufactured by Chevy…I know it was in fact manufactured by a group of people in a factory. Why doesn't their individual names appear on the door seal? They are the ones who in fact BUILT the car right? When you answer that question you will be able to answer the question posed by my Brother Gene in the initial post of this thread.

December 31, 2010 at 5:52 am#230663

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Pierre,

Matt 11:9-11
9 “But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and one who is more than a prophet.
10 “This is the one about whom it is written, 'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.'
11 “Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
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The Father is sending the Son…it is the Son who comes after John prepares the way, not the Father. The Father and Son both come by the Spirit after Christ has prepared the way in the flesh.

If a temple belongs to the Father, it would also belong to the Son of the Father. Like, if a castle belonged to a king, it would also belong to the son of the king. Jesus said that all that the Father has, He has given Him. The temple may also refer to the temple of Christ's body…not sure which.

December 31, 2010 at 7:36 am#230699

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Pierre,

The Father is sending the Son…it is the Son who comes after John prepares the way, not the Father. The Father and Son both come by the Spirit after Christ has prepared the way in the flesh.

Kathi

your #4

your comment does not solve what you were saying that it is Jesus ,if HIS = is Jesus then the messenger his also Jesus,

Then suddenly the Lord (God)THE REASON FOR BEING GOD IS BECAUSE THE TEMPLE WAS GOD S HOUSE BUILT BY SALOMON .for that reason it can not be Christ,
you are seeking will come to(God) his temple

; the messenger of the covenant,THIS IS JESUS, reason for he is the messenger of God his father ,is this not said by him many ,many times ?? yes

Pierre

December 31, 2010 at 3:23 pm#230779

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Pierre,
There are two different messengers in that passage. The messenger that will prepare the way of the Lord is John the Baptist, the messenger of the new covenant is Christ. God's temple is also Christ's temple. The glory of God fills the temple and the Son is the radiance of that glory.

December 31, 2010 at 3:32 pm#230780

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Pierre,
I will put who I think the pronouns refer to in parenthesis:

Mal 3:1-3
3 “Behold, I (the Father) am going to send My (the Father's) messenger, and he (John the Baptist) will clear the way before Me (the Father). And the Lord (Jesus/Messiah), whom you seek, will suddenly come to His (Jesus/Messiah) temple; and the messenger of the covenant (Messiah), in whom you delight, behold, He (Jesus/Messiah) is coming,” says the Lord of hosts (the Father).
2 “But who can endure the day of His (Jesus/Messiah) coming? And who can stand when He (Jesus/Messiah) appears? For He (Jesus/Messiah) is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.
3 “He (Jesus/Messiah) will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He (Jesus/Messiah) will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.
NASU

December 31, 2010 at 7:04 pm#230800

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Pierre,
I will put who I think the pronouns refer to in parenthesis:

Kathi

show your scriptures like i did to support your meanings

Pierre

December 31, 2010 at 10:56 pm#230835

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Hi DK,

That doesn't help this thread at all unless you have some idea of who this unmentioned “group of people” are who are included in the “US” and “OUR”. Do you?

I only know of two things that share the image of God in creation, which doesn't mean there aren't more, but scripture only speaks of two. Those two are men and Jesus.

mike

December 31, 2010 at 11:18 pm#230837

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Look at #4 “His temple.” The word “His” refers to “the Lord” in the same verse, verse 3 and “the Lord” is Christ who is the one coming.

Hi Kathi,

First, the only ones in scripture who are said to have temples are God and false gods. Jesus is neither of these things Kathi, and Jesus doesn't have a temple where his subjects come to worship him. That right there should show you that the “Lord” who is coming to HIS temple is YHVH. And that would mean that Jesus is the messenger He sent to get things ready for Him.

mike

December 31, 2010 at 11:20 pm#230838

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Pierre,

The Father is sending the Son…it is the Son who comes after John prepares the way, not the Father. The Father and Son both come by the Spirit after Christ has prepared the way in the flesh.

Hi Kathi,

Could not God send a messenger to prepare the way for the messenger who prepares the way for Him? Because, after all, that IS what happened. John prepared for Jesus, who prepared for God.

mike

December 31, 2010 at 11:21 pm#230839

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Ah, I didn't read far enough. You DO understand that there are TWO messengers.

mike

December 31, 2010 at 11:50 pm#230843

GeneBalthrop

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So Terricca………..Then scripture is lying where it say ” Know you not your (ARE) the TEMPLES of the living GOD”. O or do you need me to post that for you guys also. Some more of your and Mikes “NEW: Teachings right?. IMO

peace and love……………………………….gene

January 1, 2011 at 4:00 am#230876

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peace and love……………………………….gene

Gene,

Where did that come from? Do you personally have a temple where your servants go to sing praises to you and offer sacrifices to you and worship you?

Jesus doesn't HAVE a temple, he is GOD'S temple, as are we all. But who is it that HAS temples that are used for worship, Gene?

mike

January 1, 2011 at 4:15 am#230879

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Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 31 2010,14:29)

Look at #4 “His temple.” The word “His” refers to “the Lord” in the same verse, verse 3 and “the Lord” is Christ who is the one coming.

Hi Kathi,

mike

Hi Mike,
Happy New Year to you and your handful at the pier! Many Christians worship the Father and the Son everyday, no matter the building they are in…the temple of the Father and the Son is called the church and made up of many members.

If the 'temple' was the Father's in that verse, it would not say 'His' temple but 'My' temple. I checked the Greek and it is definitely written in the third person and not the first person. You do call Jesus your 'Lord' don't you, so what is the problem? Also, Lord is 'Adown' not 'Yhvh' who will come to His temple in the Hebrew.

The Father has given all things that He has to the Son also, even His temple where both are worshiped…one as the Father and one as the Son, not both as the Father. Although, Jesus is considered our Father in the sense that He has given us eternal life.

January 1, 2011 at 5:34 am#230885