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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 01 2011,02:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2011,03:43) Hi Gene, What you are NOT good at is actually ADDRESSING the points we bring up to you.
Yes, God created everything ALONE. This we know from scripture. But God did this THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ.
mike
Hi Mike,It was because Jesus died in the cross!
Why do you act like Jesus helped him Create?
Clearly you are just 'pollying' what others have said!
This is why Gene says 'mystery religion'; that's their message!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhy do you not believe scriptures ??
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2011,19:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2011,03:43) Hi Gene, What you are NOT good at is actually ADDRESSING the points we bring up to you.
Yes, God created everything ALONE. This we know from scripture. But God did this THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ.
mike
Hi Mike,It was because Jesus died in the cross!
Why do you act like Jesus helped him Create?
Clearly you are just 'pollying' what others have said!
This is why Gene says 'mystery religion'; that's their message!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ………….> absolutely , then when we have answered them they just over look the answers and come back later and say you never answered my question, But is Mike would go way back and see I have answered them He uses this ploy to make it appear he is right when in fact he is blind as a bat to the truth of Scripture IMO, He has bought into the Lie of Mystery Religions and works to push there dogmas of Separation of Jesus from our exact Identity.And that is exactly what the Apostle Paul and John was talking about , the have created an IMAGE of Jesus the is against the very word of GOD, Some like (trinitarians turn Jesus in to the Creator GOD) others like Mike and Irene and Terricca , turn him in a assistant creator and a Morphed angel or demigod of some kind. All lies and false Religions formed by MYSTERY PAGAN Teachings . As any true Saint cal easily see the they try to. NOT One disciple has said (no where) Jesus existed Before he was Born on this earth, they follow the (ASSUMPTION OF PAGAN RELIGION) .
Even Jesus when showing he was Prophesied to come never said He was alive before his resurrection, not one word, they take scripture out of context to get there distorted views , but no (SPECIFIC) straight forward scripture just scripture that can be twist to means what they are saying. Yet we have offered straight forward scriptures that show Jesus was a human being and was of the root and offspring of David and also Jesse as He himself said he was, they ignore the very words of Moses and other Prophets and God himself (in Genesis) straight forward scriptures that show what they preach is a Lie. They force the text to meet there dogmas and false teachings.
They are indeed Antichrist and try desperately to separate Jesus form our Identity and Likeness as a real human being EXACTLY like WE ARE. They are not only enemies of GOD but Jesus also and destory the work of GOD in the (MAN )JESUS . They do not believe we can overcome exactly as Jesus did because the don't believe Jesus was truly exactly as we are, these are false teachers who present themselves as knowing what they are talking about but in truth are as Blind as Bats.
When people come here like Paladin, Martin, Kerwin, Adam and many others and explain their errors clearly to them they join together and attack the person and even his character. AS i said before they are blind guides whose end will be the separation the preach. They shall recieve what they preach. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Ed and Gene,
Scripture clearly says that all things were created through Jesus. It says it many times in many different ways.
NOT ONCE have I said that “Jesus created” ANYTHING AT ALL………..EVER!
I have only posted what the scriptures say – that God alone created, but He chose to do that THROUGH His Son.
Why didn't either of you address the points of my post? Like what REALLY made the pine tree grow? Or what John said about not one thing that exists coming into existence without Jesus?
Oh, I know Gene. John was referring to the THOUGHT OF JESUS IN GOD'S MIND, right?
Or even better yet: Tell me why you so proudly cling to the “alone and by myself” scriptures, but totally ignore or butcher the “through Jesus” scriptures? You must accept ALL of the scriptures, not just the ones you think support your false doctrine.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 01 2011,11:53) Ed and Gene, NOT ONCE have I said that “Jesus created” ANYTHING AT ALL………..EVER!
mike
Hi Mike,Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things,
and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory,
to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.(Google) became for him self, whom all things and through whom all things
bring forth many sons to glory, the perfect leader of the rescue through suffering.
All things were redeemed through the price of sufferings that Jesus paid for our salvation.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYes Ed,
And why not address this one?
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2011,12:55) Yes Ed, And why not address this one?
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
mike
Hi Mike,I have address this one before, but you probably forgot;
luckily I keep a “copy” for special occasions such as these!“God The Father” is the “Subject” in Col.1:12-20 and Jesus is the Object; English 101.
I will take the liberty to insert both the subject and object into the text for 'your' understanding.
Normally I remove the numbers, but for explanation purposes, my “Free Will” will leave them in for you.
There is no inconsistencies with the rest of “The Bible” viewing Col.1:12-20 in the light of my view. (Eph.5:13)Col.1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light (Romans 8:17):
13: Who (YHVH our God) hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son(switching to object):
14: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15: Who(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(YHVH), the firstborn of every creature:
16: For by him(YHVH)(switching back to the subject) were all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him(YHVH), and for him(YHVH):
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
18: And he(Jesus)(switching back to the object) is the head of the body, the church:
who is the beginning(the preeminence of God), the firstborn from the dead (Romans 1:4);
that in all things he(Jesus) might have the preeminence(over all his brethren).
19: For it pleased the Father that in him(Jesus) should all fulness dwell;
20: And, having made peace through the blood of his(Jesus) cross,
by him(YHVH) to reconcile all things unto himself(2Cor.5:18);
by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven.Lets now look at verse 16 and verse 17 with greater scrutiny…
16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) created these things “in Heaven”…
1. God's throne
2. God's dominion
3. God's principality
4. God's power
5. God himselfCan you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion?
Now let's take a closer look at verse 17…
17: And he(YHVH) is before all things, and by him(YHVH) all things consist.
Would 'you' have us to believe Jesus (falsely) is before YHVH himself?
Would 'you' have us to believe by Jesus (falsely) all things consist?
How can you reconcile this belief without saying Jesus is God?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReally Ed? Jesus is the firstborn of all creation FOR all things were created through him. That's what the sentence says. It is not two thoughts, but one continuing sentence from 1:15 to 1:16…………..linked together by the word BECAUSE.
Paul is saying that it is clear that Jesus was the first ever created, BECAUSE all [other] things were then created THROUGH him.
How about this one:
Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.Is this one talking about God too?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2011,13:41) Really Ed? Jesus is the firstborn of all creation FOR all things were created through him. That's what the sentence says. It is not two thoughts, but one continuing sentence from 1:15 to 1:16…………..linked together by the word BECAUSE. Paul is saying that it is clear that Jesus was the first ever created, BECAUSE all [other] things were then created THROUGH him.
How about this one:
Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.Is this one talking about God too?
mike
Hi Mike,Hebrews 1:2 talks about both YHVH and Jesus.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;(Google) whom (YHVH) established heir (over) all and through whom he made the ages.
Because of Jesus crucifixion: we have a “ReNewed” earth. (The verse isn't about creating the universe)
But verse 10 is! Verse 6 is a good verse for “Preexistence”; do you have this one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,20:09) (Google) whom (YHVH) established heir (over) all and through whom he made the ages.
Why do you suppose it says “ages”, as in PLURAL?mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,13:20) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,20:09) (Google) whom (YHVH) established heir (over) all and through whom he made the ages.
Why do you suppose it says “ages”, as in PLURAL?mike
Hi Mike,http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/165.htm …Compare with…
Eph.3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNo Ed,
You explained “universe” away by saying the “new Earth” is what was created through Jesus. Then you posted “ages”, with an “s”.
Is there more than one “new earth” that you know of? If not, then why do you suppose it says “ages”, as in PLURAL?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,13:44) No Ed, You explained “universe” away by saying the “new Earth” is what was created through Jesus. Then you posted “ages”, with an “s”.
Is there more than one “new earth” that you know of? If not, then why do you suppose it says “ages”, as in PLURAL?
mike
Hi Mike,The “New Earth” is the “Old ReNewed Earth”.
Here is how the word “New” is defined in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13
Greek #2537 καινός (kainos) kähē-nôs': new (freshness ith respect to age),
youthful, fresh, regenerate:-new, young[καινός] should have been translated as “renewed” like [ἀνακαινόω] from 303 and 2537
Greek #341 ἀνακαινόω (anakainoó) ăn-äk-ähē-nô'-ō: to rejuvenate:-renew2Cor.4:16 For which cause we faint not;
but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.[καινός] is also used in Rom.6:4 and Rom.7:6 as well…
Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness(καινός) of life.Rom.7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness(καινός) of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, WHY IS ONE “NEW EARTH” REFERRED TO AS MORE THAN ONE “AGE”?
Answer my question DIRECTLY! I don't need pages of scriptures and website addresses.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,14:01) Ed, WHY IS ONE “NEW EARTH” REFERRED TO AS MORE THAN ONE “AGE”? Answer my question DIRECTLY! I don't need pages of scriptures and website addresses.
mike
Hi Mike,One new earth age and one previous earth age.
Adding (s) to the end of a word means plural.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgA thought: Jesus came to introduce the New Way of Spirit! If we are mentally born again of spirit or recreated in our minds to see and understand all things spiritually from God in the New Covenant, maybe we are trying to force fit spiritual expressions into physical moulds.
Jesus clearly said, I and the father are one. God the father, which is spirit and life, gives his words, spirit of life to mankind to create pictures, dreams and visions in their hearts. God is all and in all! Spirit is everywhere with no boundaries. Spirit permeates everything.
God is spirit, God is everywhere, God permeates everything. All truth is spirit but not all spirit is truth of God. Some spirit(thoughts) are against the truth of God or an illusion of real truth!
There are no borders or walls or fences around God. God, God's word, Jesus, Spirit, Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth, Love, the Temple of God, the hand of God, the annointing of God, Christ, the body of Christ, actually, any and every word that describes any of these spiritual pictures is all enterchangable as ONE! Jesus prayed that we would recognize that we are ONE with them. This is the new world. This is the spirit truth.
This is what was at the beginning. Mankind fell into sin/wrong thinking of separation, then came the truth/Jesus to bring us back to God, mentally. The first became the last and the last is as the first. There was sin and darkness inbetween. Now we enlighten ourselves back to the true, God/Man, that was originally created. God and Man together as ONE. Creation is given to man but man has believed a lie and accepted darkness and destruction as truth. If mankind continues to profess gloom and doom, wars and tribulation we will self destruct.
Its time to spread God truth as love, peace, joy, kindness, contentment, etc.! Together we can save the world. IMO, TK
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,14:01) Ed, WHY IS ONE “NEW EARTH” REFERRED TO AS MORE THAN ONE “AGE”? Answer my question DIRECTLY! I don't need pages of scriptures and website addresses.
mike
Hi Mike,One new earth age and one previous earth age.
Adding (s) to the end of a word means plural.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
That's right Ed. Adding an “S” makes it plural. You say it is only the NEW WORLD, or the NEW AGE that was created through Jesus. Yet you now speak of the plural word “ages” referring to both the NEW earth age AND the “PREVIOUS EARTH AGE”.So if AGES, as in PLURAL, were created through Jesus, then your theory that it only applies to the NEW earth age is flawed. Because, as you agree, it says AGES, plural. And, as you agree, this plural word refers to both new and previous earth ages. Therefore, both of these ageS were created through Jesus.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2011,13:40) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,21:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,14:01) Ed, WHY IS ONE “NEW EARTH” REFERRED TO AS MORE THAN ONE “AGE”? Answer my question DIRECTLY! I don't need pages of scriptures and website addresses.
mike
Hi Mike,One new earth age and one previous earth age.
Adding (s) to the end of a word means plural.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
That's right Ed. Adding an “S” makes it plural. You say it is only the NEW WORLD, or the NEW AGE that was created through Jesus. Yet you now speak of the plural word “ages” referring to both the NEW earth age AND the “PREVIOUS EARTH AGE”.So if AGES, as in PLURAL, were created through Jesus, then your theory that it only applies to the NEW earth age is flawed. Because, as you agree, it says AGES, plural. And, as you agree, this plural word refers to both new and previous earth ages. Therefore, both of these ageS were created through Jesus.
mike
Quote Hebrews 1:2 talks about both YHVH and Jesus. Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;(Google) whom (YHVH) established heir (over) all and through whom he made
the ages.Because of Jesus crucifixion: we have a “ReNewed” earth. (The verse isn't about creating the universe)
Hi Mike,SOMETIMES we need to keep all the quotes together,
so you and everyone else can read what was actually said.
Let me explain what you have failed to extract from my words.1. Because Jesus died on the cross, YHVH was able to create the world.
2. And because Jesus died on the cross, we have a “ReNewed” Earth age.Making 2 Earth ages, and then counting the pre-flood as a third; making 3 AGES
Quote
Because, as you agree, it says AGES, plural. And, as you agree, this plural word refers to both new and previous earth ages.
Therefore, both of these ageS were created through Jesus.Through as in “Because of” Jesus dieing on [†] the cross! (1Cor.8:6) But
not 'through' as in “a worker bee” to a queen bee — 'through the hive'.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,23:07) Hi Mike, SOMETIMES we need to keep all the quotes together,
so you and everyone else can read what was actually said.
Let me explain what you have failed to extract from my words.1. Because Jesus died on the cross, YHVH was able to create the world.
2. And because Jesus died on the cross, we have a “ReNewed” Earth age.Making 2 Earth ages, and then counting the pre-flood as a third; making 3 AGES
Quote
Because, as you agree, it says AGES, plural. And, as you agree, this plural word refers to both new and previous earth ages.
Therefore, both of these ageS were created through Jesus.Through as in “Because of” Jesus dieing on [†] the cross! (1Cor.8:6) But
not 'through' as in “a worker bee” to a queen bee — 'through the hive'.God bless
Ed J
So because Jesus died on the cross, all THREE ages were made through him?
Come on Ed, think before you just spout stuff in an effort to be right.
Did Jesus die on the cross BEFORE the first age? How about before the second, post flood age?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2011,15:59) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,23:07) Hi Mike, SOMETIMES we need to keep all the quotes together,
so you and everyone else can read what was actually said.
Let me explain what you have failed to extract from my words.1. Because Jesus died on the cross, YHVH was able to create the world.
2. And because Jesus died on the cross, we have a “ReNewed” Earth age.Making 2 Earth ages, and then counting the pre-flood as a third; making 3 AGES
Quote
Because, as you agree, it says AGES, plural. And, as you agree, this plural word refers to both new and previous earth ages.
Therefore, both of these ageS were created through Jesus.Through as in “Because of” Jesus dieing on [†] the cross! (1Cor.8:6) But
not 'through' as in “a worker bee” to a queen bee — 'through the hive'.God bless
Ed J
(1) So because Jesus died on the cross, all THREE ages were made through him?(2) Come on Ed, think before you just spout stuff in an effort to be right.
(3) Did Jesus die on the cross BEFORE the first age? (4) How about before the second, post flood age?
mike
Hi Mike,I believe your questions to be genuine; so, may my answers be informative.
Please consider fully my answers. Don't just blow them off, but
really read all the associated bible verse “LINKS”!
And ask more questions if they're unclear.1) Definitely the last two, and probably pre-flood as well. (Job 38:4-7)
2) It's not a matter of “trying to being right”, but of all Scripture fitting seamlessly together. (2Tm.3:16)
3) It was determined to happen before the foundation of the world. (Rev.13:8)
4) Definitely! (Rom.8:29)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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