Genesis 1, was god himself the us and our

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Hi Ed,

The POINT is that the verse could be translated either way, based on the construction. And considering what 17:8 says, I believe that NETNotes makes a valid AND sensible point. Jesus wasn't “slain from the foundation of the world”. He was slain in A.D 33 (aproximately).

Now, Google translate Psalm 45:6 and post the results for us, okay?

mike

February 5, 2011 at 4:45 am#235416

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,14:36)

Hi Ed,

Now, Google translate Psalm 45:6 and post the results for us, okay?

mike

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=250 <– Sixth Post

February 5, 2011 at 4:57 am#235417

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,14:36)

Hi Ed,

Now, Google translate Psalm 45:6 and post the results for us, okay?

mike

Hi Mike,

What is the 'other' choice again?

“slain from the foundation of the world” …and… What's the other one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 5, 2011 at 3:35 pm#235432

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,13:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,13:24)

Hi Mike,

Explain why would I want to check out what “the NETNotes” says about anything?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Revelation 13:8 NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

Footnote #2:
Rev 13:82tn The prepositional phrase “since the foundation of the world” is traditionally translated as a modifier of the immediately preceding phrase in the Greek text, “the Lamb who was killed” (so also G. B. Caird, Revelation [HNTC], 168), but it is more likely that the phrase “since the foundation of the world” modifies the verb “written” (as translated above). Confirmation of this can be found in Rev 17:8 where the phrase “written in the book of life since the foundation of the world” occurs with no ambiguity.

Ed, just read 17:8 and see if what they say is right. Then ask yourself which translation makes more sense.

mike

Mike ……….. Very Cleaver Mike, O how you people love to leave out parts of the scriptures, it says, ” the Lamb (Jesus) was slain FROM THE FOUNDATIONS OF “THE EARTH”. Now mike does that mean as you preexistence logic goes that Jesus was really slain at the beginning of the earth (LITERALLY), NO it does NOT RIGHT, it means it was in the Plan and Will of GOD, so if you can understand that, why is it you can realize Jesus did not exist as a Being Before his berth on earth then?

peace and love……………………………….gene

February 6, 2011 at 6:24 pm#235519

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2011,14:57)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,14:36)

Hi Ed,

Now, Google translate Psalm 45:6 and post the results for us, okay?

mike

Hi Mike,

What is the 'other' choice again?

“slain from the foundation of the world” …and… What's the other one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

This is the “other choice”:

This is what Rev 17:8 says:

“written in the book of life since the foundation of the world”

It is the being written in the book of life that happened from the foundation of the world, not the slaying of the Lamb.

You don't have to agree, but do you understand what they're saying, and why? I think it makes perfect sense, but more than that, the words DO allow for their translation.

mike

February 6, 2011 at 9:20 pm#235528

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2011,04:24)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2011,14:57)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,14:36)

Hi Ed,

Now, Google translate Psalm 45:6 and post the results for us, okay?

mike

Hi Mike,

What is the 'other' choice again?

“slain from the foundation of the world” …and… What's the other one?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

This is the “other choice”:

This is what Rev 17:8 says:

“written in the book of life since the foundation of the world”

It is the being written in the book of life that happened from the foundation of the world, not the slaying of the Lamb.

You don't have to agree, but do you understand what they're saying, and why? I think it makes perfect sense, but more than that, the words DO allow for their translation.

mike

Hi Mike,

To me: they are both saying the same thing using different words; so yes, I DO AGREE!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 6, 2011 at 9:56 pm#235531

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Hi Ed,

One way says names have been written the the book of life from the foundation of the world.

The other way says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

I think the former makes more sense.

mike

February 6, 2011 at 11:42 pm#235533

terraricca

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,20:59)

Hi Pierre,

God has written in His book only the names of the ones who WILL get everlasting life. Some others who WERE written in that book have since been blotted out of it. (Psalm 69:28, Revelation 3:5)

Revelation 20:15 NIV
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

mike

Mike

what book beside the scriptures did God has ??

the fact that God has the names written in the book of live ,would this eliminate the grace or the requirement of the grace of God to enter the kingdom of Christ ??

we know the book it self is a illustration that God keep tract of all people,

but the judgement would render all things to a final stage.right
?

Pierre

February 12, 2011 at 4:51 pm#235930

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2011,09:42)

we know the book it self is a illustration that God keep tract of all people,

Hi Pierre,

Agreed.

mike

February 20, 2011 at 5:15 pm#236629

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To All……Again i repeat GOD was the US and the OUR these were the Seven Spirits (Intellects) of One GOD that went forth a created all things that exist, The Lord “YHWH” our GOD uses his seven Spirits to create every thing that exist, “Alone and by Himself”. As scripture say he did. IMO

peace and love to you all………………………………………gene

February 20, 2011 at 9:15 pm#236648

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Gene! If you would only take those Scriptures like John 1;1-14 and Rev. 19:13-16. And take study them with an open mind….

Jhn 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

God created all through Jesus and for Jesus, scripture says so……Why can't you not believe this?

February 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm#236727

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2011,07:56)

Hi Ed,

One way says names have been written the the book of life from the foundation of the world.

The other way says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

I think the former makes more sense.

mike

Mike: Perhaps if we are born or recreated by the spirit we would see that the reference to the foundation of the “new world” order, is the New Covenant established through Jesus.

Old things(ot) passed away, and behold all things have become new/different/spirit!

The lamb was slain at the foundation(beginning) of the new world order.

Those who accept the “new way of spirit” are the ones written in the book of life from the foundation or beginning of the new way.

If we accept life we pass from death to life through Jesus. If we don't accept life in Christ we are still dead. The dead will be judged.

Jesus opened the book of life for those who accept life.

The books are opened and the dead are judged from the books. (Not those in the book of life)Rev.20:12KJV

IMO, TK

February 21, 2011 at 6:04 pm#236735

Baker

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 22 2011,00:55)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2011,07:56)

Hi Ed,

One way says names have been written the the book of life from the foundation of the world.

The other way says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

I think the former makes more sense.

mike

Mike: Perhaps if we are born or recreated by the spirit we would see that the reference to the foundation of the “new world” order, is the New Covenant established through Jesus.

Old things(ot) passed away, and behold all things have become new/different/spirit!

The lamb was slain at the foundation(beginning) of the new world order.

Those who accept the “new way of spirit” are the ones written in the book of life from the foundation or beginning of the new way.

If we accept life we pass from death to life through Jesus. If we don't accept life in Christ we are still dead. The dead will be judged.

Jesus opened the book of life for those who accept life.

The books are opened and the dead are judged from the books. (Not those in the book of life)Rev.20:12KJV

IMO, TK

Tim! If we are and we are alive in Christ Jesus. However we still will one day die. After that our new life will begin. We have to ask our self when did the foundation of the world began? You are adding to that when you say it is the New Covenant. Jesus not only gave us the New Covenant, but also gave us the Great Commandment. Besides He also magnified the Law on the Sermon on the Mount.
What you are getting mixed up is that sin is not imputed to us. By Jesus Scarifies He took away the Animal Scarifies and nailed that to the cross. He is our Mediator to go to the Throne of God. And if we sin( not intentionally) we can ask God to forgive us, no more other sacrifices needed. Jesus set us free from death. We are under grace, not under the old law with all the foot washings etc. He is our ransom….
The question here is however was Jesus with God, whio created all? Yes…..
Pro 8:22 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Pro 8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.

Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, a master craftsman and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;

Some thing it is wisdom, however wisdom is of God, and He always had wisdom. Wisdom was not a master craftsman either.

Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Little by little we are growing into righteousness, we die daily like Paul said….

Peace Irene

February 23, 2011 at 2:38 pm#237128

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Irene…………So in you mind God Without Jesus would have no Wisdom right? because Jesus what wisdom is right? . Irene Wisdom is an (ATTRIBUTE) IT IS (NOT) A PERSON . Anyone can have Wisdom in there lives by the Spirit (intellect) of Wisdom> Wisdom in scripture is PERSONIFIED because it is one of the SEVEN SPIRITS (INTELLECTS) OF GOD. Wisdom is (NOT) a Person it is what is (IN) a person. In fact if you are going to use those scriptures as justification for wisdom being a person then it is a (SHE) and Not a HE, and i do believe Jesus was a (HE)> Right?> It is thing like this that cause so much confusion in religion. IMO

peace and love…………………………………………..gene

February 23, 2011 at 10:46 pm#237187

terraricca

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2011,07:38)

peace and love…………………………………………..gene

Gene

no gene ,without Christ there would have no creation,

God is self sufficient ,it is love for creation that is the start of our world.

Pierre

February 27, 2011 at 4:56 pm#237585

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 24 2011,08:46)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2011,07:38)

peace and love…………………………………………..gene

Gene

no gene ,without Christ there would have no creation,

God is self sufficient ,it is love for creation that is the start of our world.

Pierre

Terricca………..So say you but scripture say GOD created everything (BY HIMSELF AND ALONE). So who should we believe you of What God Said. Jesus never even existed until his berth on earth except in the plan and will of GOD. Pierre you like so many other have bought into the biggest lie ever produce in Christianity , the lie of Jesus as the creator of everything and his preexistence as some kind of Being before his berth on earth. So many of your teaching are just plain “ORTHODOX” TEACHINGS OF FALSE CHRISTENDOM. It amazes me you and others here don't still believe in the trinity also , you do in a sense just your own version of the trinity , instead of calling Jesus a God you give him the same powers of creation as GOD. Just another Mystery religion under a different disguise. IMO

peace and love……………………..gene

February 27, 2011 at 5:43 pm#237589

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Hi Gene,

You are VERY good at claiming others “don't understand” things. You are good at throwing out phrases like “mystery religion” and “personal dogmas” and “false Christendom” and “Gnostics” and “trinitarian” and “biggest lie in Christendom”, etc.

What you are NOT good at is actually ADDRESSING the points we bring up to you.

Yes, God created everything ALONE. This we know from scripture. But God did this THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ. This we ALSO know from scripture. What did John mean by, “not one thing that exists came into existence without him”?

You are a pro at clinging to only PART of the scriptures, and forming your opinion around them. But you disregard the other scriptures – or feel free to add your own words to them so that they form around YOUR opinion.

Isaiah 44
14 He cut down cedars,
or perhaps took a cypress or oak.
He let it grow among the trees of the forest,
or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow.

Gene, who “created” this particular pine tree? What REALLY made it grow? Was it the rain, as God said? Doesn't this pine tree exist ONLY because of God? The obvious answer is “YES”, because that pine tree wouldn't have even a chance of existing if not for God. So you could look at that pine tree and accurately say, “God ALONE created this pine tree”.

BUT…………………

You could also ACCURATELY say that God created this particular pine tree THROUGH the man who planted it. And THROUGH the rain that God made fall on it. And THROUGH the sun and soil and minerals in the earth, etc., etc., etc.

Do you understand this point? God created ME, but He chose to do that THROUGH my parents, and also THROUGH Adam.

So God ALONE gets the credit for creating all, but He has created many things THROUGH many other things. So why is it so hard for you to understand when the scriptures CLEARLY tell us that God created all things THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ?

mike

February 27, 2011 at 8:19 pm#237594

terraricca

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 28 2011,09:56)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 24 2011,08:46)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2011,07:38)

peace and love…………………………………………..gene

Gene

no gene ,without Christ there would have no creation,

God is self sufficient ,it is love for creation that is the start of our world.

Pierre

peace and love……………………..gene

gene

it is funny that you believe all the non scriptural false religion believes,

you have lost all the arguments to prove your point on those subjects and lost at all of them.

you now so far from truth ,bible truth that is, it is sad.

your are at the present empty of all truth in your comment.

Pierre

February 28, 2011 at 12:45 am#237607

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2011,13:19)

you have lost all the arguments to prove your point on those subjects and lost at all of them.

you now so far from truth ,bible truth that is, it is sad.

I agree Pierre,

Gene is so far away from scripture on so many issues. It's almost like he searches out and clings to any unscriptural thing out there that someone has taught.

I'm surprised that he didn't exercise his FREE WILL and jump on the “God is a He/She” bandwagon that The Professor was pushing here a while back.

mike

February 28, 2011 at 9:05 am#237639