Genesis 1, was god himself the us and our

[Baker]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 02 2011,21:34)

To all: Here is an interesting truth.  Look up the word that was translated as “things”!!  Its the greek word “logos”! According to my Strongs Exhaustive Concordance throughout the New Testament the word “thing” is almost always “Logos” the word of God!! In him are all words….and  by him are all words. Just thought I would share that little revelation. TK

Tim, not all words are always God.

Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

I don't think this is a thing, but Jesus…..unless you can show me any other being that fits thid description….

Peace Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:18)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2011,15:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,13:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27) Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things. Yes Ed. But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH?  Does it say “all of us”?   Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed.  All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”. Is that enough scriptural proof? peace and love, mike Mike………..As i told you a long time ago it the word Through that is you trip word, that is not the true translation of that scripture that word was placed there by a Translator who was a trinitarians and as a result believed in Jesus as being a GOD and Preexisting his berth on earth. They as you have forced the text to meet their convictions of preexistences recieved from the Gnostic's. God and look up how many different way that word is translated in scriptures and it simple a Crap Shoot. Why not just believe what God Himself Said that He (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF) created everything, BY the way Paul said that also. I can produce it for you but i doubt it will convience you though.  IMO peace and love…………………………………..gene Hi Gene, Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated? Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”?? (Google) 1 Cor.8:6 But to us one God the Father, of whom all things, and we in him and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things, and we, through Him. 1 Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (AKJV Bible) Your brother in Christ, Jesus! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ…………Notice the two translations you gave , why are they different . I have no problem accepting Jesus as the one who GOD was Summing His whole creation (in) the perfection of Gods creation is shown (IN) and through Jesus. That is no problem for me , but when it goes beyond that to try to say Jesus created every thing in some “PREEXISTENT” life that is taking the text to far and forcing it to say what in fact it is not saying. From this mindset come all kinds of false speculations like the Us and Our in Genesis being Jesus, they do this to support their “PREEXISTENT” false teachings. It also demeans the very work of GOD and Jesus also , by giving Jesus and advantage he did not have, it divides and (SEPARATES) JESUS FROM US and moves him away from His complete and pure Humanity. This is the result of the false Antichrist teachings, they are what separates Jesus from US. IMO

peace and love……………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,08:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:18) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2011,15:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,13:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27) Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things. Yes Ed. But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH?  Does it say “all of us”?   Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed.  All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”. Is that enough scriptural proof? peace and love, mike Mike………..As i told you a long time ago it the word Through that is you trip word, that is not the true translation of that scripture that word was placed there by a Translator who was a trinitarians and as a result believed in Jesus as being a GOD and Preexisting his berth on earth. They as you have forced the text to meet their convictions of preexistences recieved from the Gnostic's. God and look up how many different way that word is translated in scriptures and it simple a Crap Shoot. Why not just believe what God Himself Said that He (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF) created everything, BY the way Paul said that also. I can produce it for you but i doubt it will convience you though.  IMO peace and love…………………………………..gene Hi Gene, Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated? Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”?? (Google) 1 Cor.8:6 But to us one God the Father, of whom all things, and we in him and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things, and we, through Him. 1 Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (AKJV Bible) Your brother in Christ, Jesus! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ…………Notice the two translations you gave , why are they different . I have no problem accepting Jesus as the one who GOD was Summing His whole creation  (in) the perfection of Gods creation is shown  (IN) and through Jesus. That is no problem for me , but when it goes beyond that to try to say Jesus created every thing in some “PREEXISTENT” life that is taking the text to far and forcing it to say what in fact it is not saying. From this mindset come all kinds of false speculations like the Us and Our in Genesis being Jesus, they do this to support their “PREEXISTENT” false teachings. It also demeans the very work of GOD and Jesus also , by giving Jesus and advantage he did not have, it divides and (SEPARATES) JESUS FROM US and moves him away from His complete and pure Humanity. This is the result of the false Antichrist teachings, they are what separates Jesus from US.  IMO peace and love……………………..gene

gene

you never explain why God created 100,000,000 angels ??

are those beings spectators ??useless creation ??

when an architect create a building project ,it is his design right,yes.

but did he built it ?? NO it is a entire group of trades people,
but he make sure that you fallow his design,? right.yes

SO NOW WHO S CREATION IS THE BUILDING ??

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,01:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:18) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2011,15:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2011,13:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:27) Hi Mike, The Bible says YHVH created all things. Yes Ed. But WHO does it say He created all things THROUGH?  Does it say “all of us”?   Read 1 Cor 8:6, Ed.  All things came FROM God and all things came THROUGH Jesus………….not “all of us”. Is that enough scriptural proof? peace and love, mike Mike………..As i told you a long time ago it the word Through that is you trip word, that is not the true translation of that scripture that word was placed there by a Translator who was a trinitarians and as a result believed in Jesus as being a GOD and Preexisting his berth on earth. They as you have forced the text to meet their convictions of preexistences recieved from the Gnostic's. God and look up how many different way that word is translated in scriptures and it simple a Crap Shoot. Why not just believe what God Himself Said that He (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF) created everything, BY the way Paul said that also. I can produce it for you but i doubt it will convience you though.  IMO peace and love…………………………………..gene Hi Gene, Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated? Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”?? (Google) 1 Cor.8:6 But to us one God the Father, of whom all things, and we in him and one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things, and we, through Him. 1 Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (AKJV Bible) Your brother in Christ, Jesus! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ…………Notice the two translations you gave , why are they different . I have no problem accepting Jesus as the one who GOD was Summing His whole creation  (in) the perfection of Gods creation is shown  (IN) and through Jesus. That is no problem for me , but when it goes beyond that to try to say Jesus created every thing in some “PREEXISTENT” life that is taking the text to far and forcing it to say what in fact it is not saying. From this mindset come all kinds of false speculations like the Us and Our in Genesis being Jesus, they do this to support their “PREEXISTENT” false teachings. It also demeans the very work of GOD and Jesus also , by giving Jesus and advantage he did not have, it divides and (SEPARATES) JESUS FROM US and moves him away from His complete and pure Humanity. This is the result of the false Antichrist teachings, they are what separates Jesus from US.  IMO peace and love……………………..gene

Hi Gene,

The Google translation (of the Greek) is a bit more accurate; ain't it?

                Through Jesus' [†] crucifixion
The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev.13:8)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

edj

who is this craft being ??Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.
Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.(his = God )
==================================

I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

so who you think it is ??

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,01:16)

…………Notice the two translations you gave , why are they different . I have no problem accepting Jesus as the one who GOD was Summing His whole creation  (in) the perfection of Gods creation is shown  (IN) and through Jesus. That is no problem for me , but when it goes beyond that to try to say Jesus created every thing in some “PREEXISTENT” life that is taking the text to far and forcing it to say what in fact it is not saying. From this mindset come all kinds of false speculations like the Us and Our in Genesis being Jesus, they do this to support their “PREEXISTENT” false teachings. It also demeans the very work of GOD and Jesus also , by giving Jesus and advantage he did not have, it divides and (SEPARATES) JESUS FROM US and moves him away from His complete and pure Humanity. This is the result of the false Antichrist teachings, they are what separates Jesus from US.  IMO peace and love……………………..gene

Gene

You're like a blind man, I can let you smell a rose, but I can't explain how pretty it looks.

Georg

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,14:49)

1 Cor.8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Good Ed,

Now, where in that scripture does it mention “all of us”?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:18)

Hi Gene, Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated? Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”??

I had Google translate Psalm 45:6 the other day, and it was talking nonsense about an ORTHODONTIST!

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 02 2011,21:34)

To all: Here is an interesting truth.  Look up the word that was translated as “things”!!  Its the greek word “logos”! According to my Strongs Exhaustive Concordance throughout the New Testament the word “thing” is almost always “Logos” the word of God!! In him are all words….and  by him are all words. Just thought I would share that little revelation. TK

Hi Tim,

I think you hit the wrong button or something. The Greek word used is “pas”, which means “every” or “all [things]”.

It is the word used when Jesus is referred to as the firstborn of “pas” creation. It means “all creation” or “every creature”.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 03 2011,08:18)

Hi Gene, The Google translation (of the Greek) is a bit more accurate; ain't it?                Through Jesus' [†] crucifixion The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev.13:8)

Hey Ed,

Google translate Rev 13:8 just for kicks.  I uninstalled Chrome, and with it my translator.  

Btw, did you ever check out the NETNotes on Rev 13:8?

mike

[GeneBalthrop]

EdJ………….No it is not IMO.

EDJ………look up all the different way that word is translated and it many different meanings , attached to it. For The purpose of Christ would be a much better meaning , because Christ is the result that God has for all Man Kind , His perfecting work was shown through Jesus' life. Just a few sentences about this quote should tell you that, it plainly say all things the (ARE), are of GOD. Just believe it EdJ , Jesus never created anyone or anything . Only God the Father is the only Creator and he said he gives His Glory to (NO) Man. I do believe Jesus is and was a Man. If they would just believe What Jesus himself they could easily understand this. EDJ don't be lead away from GOD by the false teaching of Separation taught by the Preexistences.

There is no bigger LIE in all Christendom that the teaching that Jesus Preexisted as a Being before His berth upon earth. IMO

peace and love…………………………………gene

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,17:00)

EdJ………….No it is not IMO. There is no bigger LIE in all Christendom that the teaching that Jesus Preexisted as a Being  before His berth upon earth. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene

The fact that this “IS” what the Bible teaches, makes “YOU” the biggest liar, and rejector of truth.

Btw, when you get sick, do you call a medicine man from an Indian tribe? or do you go and see a witchdoctor?
What makes you think that Google's has the answer to your spiritual question?

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg……….It is obvious to any truth seek you have No Idea what you are saying or preachings . So you just go along your distorted Trinitarian and Gnostic path of Preexistence and we will all see in the End who is right. OK

gene

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2011,02:33)

Georg……….It is obvious to any truth seek you have No Idea what you are saying or preachings . So you just go along your distorted Trinitarian and Gnostic path of Preexistence and we will all see in the End who is right. OK gene

I know you consider your self a “christian”, you have to in order to post here; but what is your real religion?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2011,14:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,14:49) 1 Cor.8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Good Ed, Now, where in that scripture does it mention “all of us”? mike

Hi Mike,

You're right, “all of us” is NOT in that verse; what's your point?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2011,15:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:18) Hi Gene, Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated? Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”?? I had Google translate Psalm 45:6 the other day, and it was talking nonsense about an ORTHODONTIST!

Hi Mike,

You're right, you can't count on Google translations alone.
I Adjust Google using…   http://www.biblewebapp.com

And considering carefully what the AKJV Bible says.
I sometimes have to adjust the Google for clarity.
I will do this for the verse “in question” for you.

        (Google) Psalm 45:6 Achsaach God forever kingdom clan clan orthodontist

(Adjusted Google) Psalm 45:6 Throne God forever scetpre of thy kingdom righteous sceptre.

(AKJV) Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

      MODERN TRANSLATIONS ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED!

You can check me out: by clicking on the link, and putting the cursor on the wording.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,17:00)

EdJ………….No it is not IMO. EDJ………look up all the different way that word is translated and it many different meanings , attached to it. For The purpose of Christ would be a much better meaning , because Christ is the result that God has for all Man Kind , His perfecting work was shown through Jesus' life. Just a few sentences about this quote should tell you that, it plainly say all things the (ARE),  are of GOD. Just believe it EdJ , Jesus never created anyone or anything . Only God the Father is the only Creator and he said he gives His Glory to (NO) Man. I do believe Jesus is and was a Man. If they would just believe What Jesus himself they could easily understand this. EDJ don't be lead away from GOD by the false teaching of Separation  taught by the Preexistences.   There is no bigger LIE in all Christendom that the teaching that Jesus Preexisted as a Being  before His berth upon earth. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene

Hi Gene,

The bible indicates we all pre-existed.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,11:17)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2011,15:00) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2011,15:18) Hi Gene, Explain why you believe this verse is mistranslated? Google translates 1 Cor.8:6 virtually the same as the “AKJV Bible”?? I had Google translate Psalm 45:6 the other day, and it was talking nonsense about an ORTHODONTIST!   Hi Mike, You're right, you can't count on Google translations alone. I Adjust Google using…   http://www.biblewebapp.com And considering carefully what the AKJV Bible says. I sometimes have to adjust the Google for clarity. I will do this for the verse “in question” for you.         (Google) Psalm 45:6 Achsaach God forever kingdom clan clan orthodontist (Adjusted Google) Psalm 45:6 Throne God forever scetpre of thy kingdom righteous sceptre. (AKJV) Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.       MODERN TRANSLATIONS ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED! You can check me out: by clicking on the link, and putting the cursor on the wording. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you have a answer to all but never the truth ,so what is your
religion ??

were you flip flop constantly is this the FLIP FLOP CONGREGATION ??

Pierre

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,11:24)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,17:00) EdJ………….No it is not IMO. EDJ………look up all the different way that word is translated and it many different meanings , attached to it. For The purpose of Christ would be a much better meaning , because Christ is the result that God has for all Man Kind , His perfecting work was shown through Jesus' life. Just a few sentences about this quote should tell you that, it plainly say all things the (ARE),  are of GOD. Just believe it EdJ , Jesus never created anyone or anything . Only God the Father is the only Creator and he said he gives His Glory to (NO) Man. I do believe Jesus is and was a Man. If they would just believe What Jesus himself they could easily understand this. EDJ don't be lead away from GOD by the false teaching of Separation  taught by the Preexistences.   There is no bigger LIE in all Christendom that the teaching that Jesus Preexisted as a Being  before His berth upon earth. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Hi Gene, The bible indicates we all pre-existed. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

were is that statement written in the scriptures ??

i know it is in EDJ TRANSLATION,right ?

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2011,04:24)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2011,17:00) EdJ………….No it is not IMO. EDJ………look up all the different way that word is translated and it many different meanings , attached to it. For The purpose of Christ would be a much better meaning , because Christ is the result that God has for all Man Kind , His perfecting work was shown through Jesus' life. Just a few sentences about this quote should tell you that, it plainly say all things the (ARE),  are of GOD. Just believe it EdJ , Jesus never created anyone or anything . Only God the Father is the only Creator and he said he gives His Glory to (NO) Man. I do believe Jesus is and was a Man. If they would just believe What Jesus himself they could easily understand this. EDJ don't be lead away from GOD by the false teaching of Separation  taught by the Preexistences.   There is no bigger LIE in all Christendom that the teaching that Jesus Preexisted as a Being  before His berth upon earth. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Hi Gene, The bible indicates we all pre-existed. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

To Gene and Ed! Please tell me where in Scripture it indicates that we are all preexisted? I also want to know why go to goggle? Is the Bible all of a sudden not good enough? That makes me rather sad. I believe that by Faith God will show us what is right and what is wrong. Right now on this tread all I see is anger displaced, and I for one don't like it….Whether Gene or Georg, it is wrong…..To constantly call others by whatever name is judging…… Gene you have done that more then once, just because you don't agree with preexisting of Jesus, gives you no license to judge those who believe in it….
I could even agree if there would be one Scripture that the translator changed, but over 40 of them, no way…. I will defend what God in the Bible has shown me, without calling others names. I know that I once said something like your blind, but never label someone, Anti-Christ…..
Peace Irene

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