Genesis 1, was god himself the us and our

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,04:11)

Hi Mike, Why can't the “us”, be referring to all of us?

Hi Ed,

Because God didn't create “all of us” THROUGH “all of us”. He created “all of us” through only Jesus.

Also, do you have fond memories of the glory you had at God's side in heaven before the founding of the earth? Jesus did.

mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike……….you have it wrong brother, God said HE created every thing “(ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF)”. Jesus was not even there Mike , he did not even exist till four thousand years after the creation of the world and everything in it, but it was for that specific purpose of the Man Jesus the first from Man kind and for mankind, that GOD create everything He created. for. Jesus was the (FIRST) Perfected Being from Gods creation the firstborn into the kingdom of God from his creation of the world. Just that simple Mike , but the distortion brought on by false religion of PREEXISTENCES has change this simple truth to a form of MYSTERY RELIGION , which most of all religion have bought into . IMO

peace and love…………………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:52)

Hi Gene and Tim, Isaiah 29:16 You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! mike

Mike

well said

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 31 2011,05:33)

Mike……….you have it wrong brother, God said HE created every thing “(ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF)”.

No, YOU are wrong, Gene.

NOT ONE THING CAME INTO EXISTENCE WITHOUT JESUS. God created everything ALONE, but He apparently chose to do this THROUGH his only begotten Son, for that's what the scriptures say. Believe them or don't.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2011,07:01)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:52) Hi Gene and Tim, Isaiah 29:16 You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! mike Mike well said

Thanks Pierre,

Tim seems to think we are all a “part” of God Himself – as if we are 1 one billionth God or something. And he also thinks it's up to him and his “happy thoughts” whether or not he gets sick.

It's a strange philosophy that I don't find scriptural support for. I remember Paul having a “thorn in his side” for a long time. He was closer to Jesus than any one of us. I wonder why he didn't just “tell” the pain to leave him?

peace and love,
mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike…. o i have it wrong right? Then i guess God has it wrong also ……… Isaiah 44: 24….> Thus saith the LORD thy redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I AM THE LORD THAT (MAKES)(ALL) THINGS, THAT STRETCHES FORTH THE HEAVENS (ALONE); THAT SPREADS ABROAD THE EARTH (BY) (MYSELF).

Isaiah 44: 28……> That saith of Cyrus, he is my Shepard, and shall perform all my pleasure;………..> that was said 200 years before Cyrus was born or even came into existence. This applies to Jesus also, he was predicted to be born from a womens seed all the way back at the garden of Eden and came forth as a being at his berth from Mary. Just as God said He would be of a womens (SEED) he did not say from a already existing Being of any kind.Now did he?. You people add to scripture what is not there because you have bought into the LIE concerning Jesus as a Preexistent Being of some kind which you or no one else know what kind of being that was and no scripture shows any activity of that being you say was already existing being the was so-called Morphed into a human being. While all the time ignoring all the scripture that show his roots and offspring was from man kind and not some preexisting past existence . IMO

peace and love……………………………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 31 2011,11:28)

Isaiah 44: 28……> That saith of Cyrus, he is my Shepard, and shall perform all my pleasure;………..> that was said 200 years before Cyrus was born or even came into existence.

Hey Gene,

Show me the scripture where Cyrus spoke of the glory HE HAD alongside God 200 years before he was born.

Then you'll have something to talk about.

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,04:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,04:11) Hi Mike, Why can't the “us”, be referring to all of us? Hi Ed, Because God didn't create “all of us” THROUGH “all of us”.    He created “all of us” through only Jesus. Also, do you have fond memories of the glory you had at God's side in heaven before the founding of the earth?  Jesus did. mike

Hi Mike,

              Are we not considered Jesus' body?

1Cor.12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to
the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Yes Ed,

We ARE called the “body of Christ”.  Does scripture say all things were created through the “body of Christ”?  

You are diverting things Ed.  I won't continue with you when you do this.  You've done it with the word “OF” again, even though we've been through all the genetive form stuff before.

And you're refusing to address my point here.  You asked if the “US” could be “all of us”.  I told you all things weren't said to be created through “all of us”.  So then you say, “But we are the body of Christ”.  Yes Ed, some of us are NOW the body of Christ………….since he died.  We were not his body before he died.  So since we didn't become the “body of Christ” and his “hands” and “feet” until he died, how does this statement support your claim that the “US” could have been “all of us”?

It doesn't. I've solidly and scripturally refuted that claim.  And if you continue to play around and not seriously discuss the issues at hand, then I'll just leave you alone.

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,17:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2011,07:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:52) Hi Gene and Tim, Isaiah 29:16 You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! mike Mike well said  Thanks Pierre, Tim seems to think we are all a “part” of God Himself – as if we are 1 one billionth God or something.  And he also thinks it's up to him and his “happy thoughts” whether or not he gets sick.   It's a strange philosophy that I don't find scriptural support for.  I remember Paul having a “thorn in his side” for a long time.  He was closer to Jesus than any one of us.  I wonder why he didn't just “tell” the pain to leave him? peace and love, mike

Mike

i talked to Tim about that view of his,but what he really saying is that in the future in the new order it will be so,
and that we should focus to align our self to that,

anyway that s what i understood from him,in his respond to me about my handicap ,

many here are confused by ,now,then, and glory and in God ,no one is in God unless he practice the will of God and it does not mean that we climb inside of God,

God is spirit so we can join in union with him by having the same thoughts by following his will ,that is what Christ did and showed us to fallow.

we all have glory if we do Gods will,Christ has done that and glorified his father by fulfilling the words announced long ago ,because this would render Gods word truthful and glorified.by doing just that Christ was glorified as son of God while on earth by the power his father had given him,and so recieve glory of a son ,Christ did the same thing with is apostles and they receive a glory coming from the son,and all others like us we will recieve a glory of men who obeyed the words left by his apostles,
so all will be in God and from God.

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,12:03)

Yes Ed, We ARE called the “body of Christ”. Does scripture say all things were created through the “body of Christ”? You are diverting things Ed.  I won't continue with you when you do this.  You've done it with the word “OF” again, even though we've been through all the genetive form stuff before. And you're refusing to address my point here.  You asked if the “US” could be “all of us”.  I told you all things weren't said to be created through “all of us”.  So then you say, “But we are the body of Christ”.  Yes Ed, some of us are NOW the body of Christ………….since he died.  We were not his body before he died.  So since we didn't become the “body of Christ” and his “hands” and “feet” until he died, how does this statement support your claim that the “US” could have been “all of us”? It doesn't.  I've solidly and scripturally refuted that claim.  And if you continue to play around and not seriously discuss the issues at hand, then I'll just leave you alone. mike

Hi Mike,

The Bible says YHVH created all things.

                       The OT

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD(YHVH), thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
I the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

                       The NT

Rev.4:11 Thou art worthy, O LORD(YHVH), to receive glory and honor and power:
for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

The only thing you have used to refute my assertion is human logic.
Where is your Scriptural backing to support your claim?
Where's yours?? I have produced mine…

2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)

                         “The Word” in us!

John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.
Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,12:03)

Yes Ed, We ARE called the “body of Christ”.  Does scripture say all things were created through the “body of Christ”?   You are diverting things Ed.  I won't continue with you when you do this.  You've done it with the word “OF” again, even though we've been through all the genetive form stuff before. And you're refusing to address my point here.  You asked if the “US” could be “all of us”.  I told you all things weren't said to be created through “all of us”.  So then you say, “But we are the body of Christ”.  Yes Ed, some of us are NOW the body of Christ………….since he died.  We were not his body before he died.  So since we didn't become the “body of Christ” and his “hands” and “feet” until he died, how does this statement support your claim that the “US” could have been “all of us”? It doesn't.  I've solidly and scripturally refuted that claim.  And if you continue to play around and not seriously discuss the issues at hand, then I'll just leave you alone. mike

Yeah, that's Ed for you; he doges every question.

He is like the agitator of a wash machine, I think he does that for fun, or maybe because nobody believes his stuff.

Good post Mike.

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do, anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO

peace and love…………………………………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ…………Good post, good food for thought brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………gene

[Baker]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01)

Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene

Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic.
YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg

Hi Georg,

I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us?
2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world
unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and
hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,11:02)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

thats not a question,

read the the verse it is self explanatory,

but i guess your mind will confuse you,and so you may see things that are not there.

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,04:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,11:02) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj thats not a question, read the the verse it is self explanatory, but i guess your mind will confuse you,and so you may see things that are not there. Pierre

Hi Pierre,

So you agree then: that “The Word” is the HolySpirit?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,04:02)

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

To most readers this would show that the Mind, the Holy Spirit of God, was in Jesus.
Jesus reconciled the world to himself, because only through him can the world be saved.
As long as you believe, and trust in the word of Jesus, and obey the commandment of Jesus, God will not count your sin against you.
And hath committed unto us, the apostles, the word, the gospel of reconciliation.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,11:46)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,04:37) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,11:02) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 01 2011,03:48) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 01 2011,01:01) Georg……….So you are serious right, then why reject the Scriptures EDJ Posted then. Like Isiah 44:24, and Rev 4:11, you can't answer them so you people try to attack the person and think by your stupid word play that makes you right. This what most Preexistences do,  anything the goes against their false teachings the try to make the person look stupid , when in fact it is YOU who is not taking the word seriously. Just answer EDJ'S post without all the other crap, IF YOU CAN. IMO peace and love…………………………………gene Ed is no different than you, he never answers questions, and brings up scriptures instead that have nothing to do with the topic. YOU ask me a question, and I WILL answer YOU; although it maybe difficult to do, since you don't believe scripture; but I will at least try. Georg Hi Georg, I have a question for you: explain this verse in light of you disagreeing with us? 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word” of reconciliation. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj thats not a question, read the the verse it is self explanatory, but i guess your mind will confuse you,and so you may see things that are not there. Pierre Hi Pierre, So you agree then: that “The Word” is the HolySpirit? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

is that what that scripture says ??

it is not written so it must be only in you sight of mind,

show me if it is I who can't see

Pierre

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