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Hi Lightenup
Quote Read about Daniel and the Lion's Den and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo in the fiery furnace and you will see their God's rescue, even the king gave Him credit. They worshipped the same God as I do.
I did say unquestionably, ie: at least reliably. Do you consider mythical stories to be evidence? The bible is already known to be factually wrong on several counts. All these acts you mention may actually be the work of Thor, and due to Thor’s crafty biblical authorship you would never know.Quote BTW, it doesn't take a doctor to see that you are an unhappy person. Get some help. Knowing the mind of your spaghetti god isn't helping you.
Your diagnosis I presume is one of depression brought on by the misery that just has to be the lot of the atheist, to which my counter-diagnosis would be your delusions of grandeur. Of course from a christian’s point of view my diagnosis of you must seem absurd, and perhaps you see in turn how ridiculous it is to think a person unwell because you can’t distinguish between real anger and mock anger. Assuming you are not a psychologist, I am relieved that you are not. I am perfectly happy. Thank you for asking and not assuming…!Stuart
Hey stu….
A Stephen Wright quote, sure as possible as any bible quote…smile
“I had some eyeglasses. I was walking down the street when suddenly the prescription ran out.”
It sure is important to have patience during this time of day. These small hours…smiled
while we have arrived at the things that were long ago anticipated and written by men. as called simply prophesying prophets, astounding in wisdom for their age, futurists, just like I or you may attempt in our own wisdom to prophesy of the things that we are capable of recognizing will or could possibly come upon this earth 2 centroids( smiled) from now!!charity
The weather forecasters and astronomers thank you for your recognition of their talents!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 05 2009,01:48) Hi Lightenup Quote Read about Daniel and the Lion's Den and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo in the fiery furnace and you will see their God's rescue, even the king gave Him credit. They worshipped the same God as I do.
I did say unquestionably, ie: at least reliably. Do you consider mythical stories to be evidence? The bible is already known to be factually wrong on several counts. All these acts you mention may actually be the work of Thor, and due to Thor’s crafty biblical authorship you would never know.Quote BTW, it doesn't take a doctor to see that you are an unhappy person. Get some help. Knowing the mind of your spaghetti god isn't helping you.
Your diagnosis I presume is one of depression brought on by the misery that just has to be the lot of the atheist, to which my counter-diagnosis would be your delusions of grandeur. Of course from a christian’s point of view my diagnosis of you must seem absurd, and perhaps you see in turn how ridiculous it is to think a person unwell because you can’t distinguish between real anger and mock anger. Assuming you are not a psychologist, I am relieved that you are not. I am perfectly happy. Thank you for asking and not assuming…!Stuart
Hi Stu,
Can you prove that the accounts of Daniel and the lion's den or Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego in the fiery furnace are mere myths? What is your evidence?Also, I do not perceive you as depressed/unhappy merely because you are an atheist. I base that on your choice of regularly spending your time on this particular board to spread your “mock” anger and your constant criticism of those who believe differently than you do. You come across like a person that doesn't seem to have anything hopeful to offer. Maybe you can get a more positive hobby that makes the world a better place where criticism and negativity doesn't constantly flow from your words, that is if you truly are “happy” and “perfectly happy” at that as you say. LU
lyric REMIX copy here copy there!
t Here… must BE SOME WHERE SAFE IN BETWEEN
Dear God:
I have a problem.
It's stu… THIS TIME.
Done the math.
but can't Count any blessings.
be still.
God would only want us to be still
untangle the knot.
as tangled up in all our problems
Faith is the ability to not panic.
pray helps you not to worry.
Logic is the spiritual fruit, not that of religious nuts.
There is no key to happiness. The door is always open.
closed doors, created the knocker.
behold if you hear at least open,just for moment
Blessed is flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.
Surviving and living your life successfully requires courage. The goals and dreams you're seeking require courage and risk-taking. Learn from the turtle — it only makes progress when it sticks out its neck.
Be more concerned with your character than your reputation. Your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.
Hi Lightenup
Quote Can you prove that the accounts of Daniel and the lion's den or Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego in the fiery furnace are mere myths? What is your evidence?
It is not possible to prove a negative. In any case I am not claiming that mythology is actually true so it is up to you to provide corroborating evidence for these mythical legends. I don’t think you would be very impressed if I made up all sorts of things about the fairies in my garden then insisted that YOU prove them wrong.Quote Also, I do not perceive you as depressed/unhappy merely because you are an atheist. I base that on your choice of regularly spending your time on this particular board to spread your “mock” anger and your constant criticism of those who believe differently than you do.
I diagnose you with delusions of grandeur because your posts indicate that, like most christians you seem to thing you have a special place in the universe with a big imaginary friend who thinks of you all the time.Quote You come across like a person that doesn't seem to have anything hopeful to offer.
This is a christian board. If, as you seem to think, it brings out the worst in me, it is the fault of christianity. Get me on a different subject like music or travel and I think the conversation would be very different. In the same way it would seem to be christianity that brings out the worst in you too. I don’t actually think you are really generally deluded, apart from in this one area of your thinking.Quote Maybe you can get a more positive hobby that makes the world a better place where criticism and negativity doesn't constantly flow from your words, that is if you truly are “happy” and “perfectly happy” at that as you say.
This is the charming, welcoming, compassionate hand of christian friendship we have come to know. Charming engagement, but when the reaction to the dogmas is not favourable, slam the door.I find it particularly contenting to mock the risible ideas of christianity because it is unique in the way it expects such crackpot literal beliefs. So thank you for providing me with such rich material. It is not personal of course, I see you as entirely separate from the ideas that have made their way into your brain. Love the christian but mock the christianity, and hope for a cure for the infected person. See? I really am quite compassionate myself!
Stuart
Stu,
And yes, you have confirmed my point! No slamming here but an open door to go out from where you detest the beliefs of those within. LUQuote (Lightenup @ Jan. 06 2009,12:16) Stu,
And yes, you have confirmed my point! No slamming here but an open door to go out from where you detest the beliefs of those within. LU
You will still be a living, breathing, loving human being regardless of how much a religious meme has hijacked your thoughts. I think I will stay. Can I have another cup of tea?Stuart
Hi charity
Blessed is flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.
What a classic line. It will take me weeks to work out the full implications!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 06 2009,17:31) Hi charity Blessed is flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.
What a classic line. It will take me weeks to work out the full implications!
Stuart
And that's what makes me ove ya stu….smileits not your flying Maverick, yet I define the fine line between arrogance and confidence….
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 05 2009,08:40) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 05 2009,03:33) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2009,18:04) Prayer is useful only to give you something to do when nothing will work anyway. Stuart
Greetings Stu…..Prayer is just one of the many options before us when we realize a situation is bigger than we are,I would think the faith that one has in their own abilities coupled with the help from the creator to discern, can either
resolve a situation or exasabate the same…It is Gods will that prevails in all cases,both good and bad…To humble yourself before God and seek his wisdom or help usually helps,and this is done through prayer….
…and when that doesn't work, which it never does*, I suppose you could always panic.*Not my claim but that of meta analyses of many studies done of the tangible effects of prayer. Statistically there are no effects that cannot be accounted for by the placebo effect.
Stuart
Greetings Stu……To panic is to suggest fear….without fear there is no courage….when one is a situation of panic,I would think the logical action would be to succumb or to confront and prevail….prayer is what gives me the courage and faith will allow me to prevail….God Willing !!Hi Stu,
Quote Can I have another cup of tea? If I gave you another “cup of tea” as a representative for Christ would you be thankful for it or try to dump it on me? If you were hungry and I fed you as a representative of Christ would you eat it till you were full and be thankful or would you proceed to spill you “mock” anger, insults and criticism on your way out? How about if you needed shelter and I offered you a safe place to rest, would you be thankful or just take your rest and then trash up the place again with your “mock” anger, insults and criticism?
I already have given you a “cup of tea,” that was dear to my heart and you proceeded to belittle and mock me. You don't have to be thankful for my thoughts since you disagree with the foundation but do you have to belittle and mock others because they believe differenty than you?
My “cup of tea” that I shared:
Quote Anyway, I wanted to say a little about prayer. Yes, I believe that it works. I clearly see that in the smallest of ways. Let me give you an example: Once, I was looking for a college project that was in the form of a spiralbound collection of drawings. I really wanted it to take to my art class that I had been teaching so I could show the kids that I just taught the same things to. Well I was praying that the Lord would allow me to find it if He wanted me to show it to them. My last class with them was just minutes away and I was about to leave and still hadn't found it after looking everywhere that I could think of. I sat down at my sink area and my hand accidently knocked off an earring into a tall box next to the sink. I figured that I should get it out or I will forget that it was in there. Well, when I looked in there for the earring, I found my college project. I was so amazed at God's creativity to show me the place and thankful for His answer to my prayer. The class enjoyed the story of God's answer and seeing the project. He showed me, literally at the last second. I don't think that was a coincidence. This type of thing has happened time and time again. I always ask God to help me find things. His answer helps build my faith and the faith of my kids too.
Your response to that “cup of tea” here:
Quote There are people in the world suffering starvation and disease, and instead of praying uselessly for them you ask god to find things for you? You are wrong about your prayer being answered. God put you on hold and while 'he' was helping a couch potato find the TV remote in a pile of cushions, ignoring humanitarian crises the world over, you found the item you were looking for anyway.
Stuart
So, I don't think I will give you anymore tea, but I wish you well.
You might be interested in this article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol….568.ece
LU
Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 07 2009,05:35) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 05 2009,08:40) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 05 2009,03:33) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2009,18:04) Prayer is useful only to give you something to do when nothing will work anyway. Stuart
Greetings Stu…..Prayer is just one of the many options before us when we realize a situation is bigger than we are,I would think the faith that one has in their own abilities coupled with the help from the creator to discern, can either
resolve a situation or exasabate the same…It is Gods will that prevails in all cases,both good and bad…To humble yourself before God and seek his wisdom or help usually helps,and this is done through prayer….
…and when that doesn't work, which it never does*, I suppose you could always panic.*Not my claim but that of meta analyses of many studies done of the tangible effects of prayer. Statistically there are no effects that cannot be accounted for by the placebo effect.
Stuart
Greetings Stu……To panic is to suggest fear….without fear there is no courage….when one is a situation of panic,I would think the logical action would be to succumb or to confront and prevail….prayer is what gives me the courage and faith will allow me to prevail….God Willing !!
Wartime leaders of old would steel their troops with an appeal to god, king and country before sending them to often a senseless death, or worse to kill other people. God is used as a one size fits all motivator. If you ask, god will protect you from that wasp nest as you try to remove it, but you forget that god created those wasps with the express purpose of stinging you if you annoy them.Stuart
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 07 2009,11:36) Hi Stu, Quote Can I have another cup of tea? If I gave you another “cup of tea” as a representative for Christ would you be thankful for it or try to dump it on me? If you were hungry and I fed you as a representative of Christ would you eat it till you were full and be thankful or would you proceed to spill you “mock” anger, insults and criticism on your way out? How about if you needed shelter and I offered you a safe place to rest, would you be thankful or just take your rest and then trash up the place again with your “mock” anger, insults and criticism?
I already have given you a “cup of tea,” that was dear to my heart and you proceeded to belittle and mock me. You don't have to be thankful for my thoughts since you disagree with the foundation but do you have to belittle and mock others because they believe differenty than you?
My “cup of tea” that I shared:
Quote Anyway, I wanted to say a little about prayer. Yes, I believe that it works. I clearly see that in the smallest of ways. Let me give you an example: Once, I was looking for a college project that was in the form of a spiralbound collection of drawings. I really wanted it to take to my art class that I had been teaching so I could show the kids that I just taught the same things to. Well I was praying that the Lord would allow me to find it if He wanted me to show it to them. My last class with them was just minutes away and I was about to leave and still hadn't found it after looking everywhere that I could think of. I sat down at my sink area and my hand accidently knocked off an earring into a tall box next to the sink. I figured that I should get it out or I will forget that it was in there. Well, when I looked in there for the earring, I found my college project. I was so amazed at God's creativity to show me the place and thankful for His answer to my prayer. The class enjoyed the story of God's answer and seeing the project. He showed me, literally at the last second. I don't think that was a coincidence. This type of thing has happened time and time again. I always ask God to help me find things. His answer helps build my faith and the faith of my kids too.
Your response to that “cup of tea” here:
Quote There are people in the world suffering starvation and disease, and instead of praying uselessly for them you ask god to find things for you? You are wrong about your prayer being answered. God put you on hold and while 'he' was helping a couch potato find the TV remote in a pile of cushions, ignoring humanitarian crises the world over, you found the item you were looking for anyway.
Stuart
So, I don't think I will give you anymore tea, but I wish you well.
You might be interested in this article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol….568.ece
LU
Hi LightenupThe cup of tea you offer is full of poison to which you have developed immunity.
Matthew Parris is essentially suggesting that in order to overcome ingrained tribal superstitions they be replaced by a particularly virulent alternative tribal superstition which allows westerners a foot in the door to tell Africans how to live. He is dodging finding a proper way of helping African nations to develop for themselves. Christian mission has had plenty of time to save Africa from itself. Has it worked, in your opinion?
Stuart
Stu,
You are the one asking for more tea…anyway I have had enough of this discourse…far too predictable. LUQuote (Lightenup @ Jan. 08 2009,15:09) Stu,
You are the one asking for more tea…anyway I have had enough of this discourse…far too predictable. LU
So you will carry on with inane, trivial prayers when you lose your car keys, even though your god is clearly incapable, or unwilling to focus on stopping misery in the world.Stuart
with a lot of Love and affection!!!!
whether right or wrong?
“reality is the brain can take a one lane street”
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 08 2009,10:23) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 07 2009,05:35) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 05 2009,08:40) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 05 2009,03:33) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2009,18:04) Prayer is useful only to give you something to do when nothing will work anyway. Stuart
Greetings Stu…..Prayer is just one of the many options before us when we realize a situation is bigger than we are,I would think the faith that one has in their own abilities coupled with the help from the creator to discern, can either
resolve a situation or exasabate the same…It is Gods will that prevails in all cases,both good and bad…To humble yourself before God and seek his wisdom or help usually helps,and this is done through prayer….
…and when that doesn't work, which it never does*, I suppose you could always panic.*Not my claim but that of meta analyses of many studies done of the tangible effects of prayer. Statistically there are no effects that cannot be accounted for by the placebo effect.
Stuart
Greetings Stu……To panic is to suggest fear….without fear there is no courage….when one is a situation of panic,I would think the logical action would be to succumb or to confront and prevail….prayer is what gives me the courage and faith will allow me to prevail….God Willing !!
Wartime leaders of old would steel their troops with an appeal to god, king and country before sending them to often a senseless death, or worse to kill other people. God is used as a one size fits all motivator. If you ask, god will protect you from that wasp nest as you try to remove it, but you forget that god created those wasps with the express purpose of stinging you if you annoy them.Stuart
Yes Stu !! God does not have to get involved in every minor crisis we encounter….However he does impart the wisdom needed to avoid being stung….and that would be to plan your removal of the wasps nest in the evening….
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