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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2008,17:16)

Hi KJ:

As I have states Jesus the example for those who profess to be Christians to follow.

What example is that, exactly? That we should demand that people follow us? What example did Jesus give that is applicable to our every day lives? I'm truly interested.

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However, that does not mean that they won't make mistakes along the way. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins.

How so? Human sacrifice was an abomination to Yahweh in the OT, what made Him change His mind?

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That is why salvation is by faith. It is by grace, and not because those who profess to be Christians have obeyed the Word of God with out sin. Nevertheless, Jesus is the example for those who profess to be Christians to follow.

See above. People are to have faith in the limiting “word of God”, the bible? God is severely handicapped in that book.

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Or rather you say so because I do not agree with you. Be honest.

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God does not consider woman to be a second class citizen nor do I. What other men do or have done is between them and God. Christianity does not teach that woman is a second class citizen.

So you do not believe in the inerrancy of the WHOLE bible?

March 25, 2008 at 4:02 am#84780

942767

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Hi KJ:

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2008,17:16)
Hi KJ:

As I have states Jesus the example for those who profess to be Christians to follow.

What example is that, exactly? That we should demand that people follow us? What example did Jesus give that is applicable to our every day lives? I'm truly interested.

Well if you are truly interested get on your knees and go to God in prayer asking him to show you. Read the New Testament again because obviously you missed something the first time.

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However, that does not mean that they won't make mistakes along the way. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins.

How so? Human sacrifice was an abomination to Yahweh in the OT, what made Him change His mind?

The human sacrifice that was an abomination to God was human sacrifice to other gods. The sacrifice that we are speaking of relative to Jesus is that he wilfully obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross in spite of what man could do and did to him. This then is a little different than the sacrifice that was an abomination to God.

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2.I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

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That is why salvation is by faith. It is by grace, and not because those who profess to be Christians have obeyed the Word of God with out sin. Nevertheless, Jesus is the example for those who profess to be Christians to follow.

See above. People are to have faith in the limiting “word of God”, the bible? God is severely handicapped in that book.

How is God severly handicapped in the bible?

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I have already given you my understanding on those things which have questioned, and I believe that you are jumping to conclusions and giving opinions without first seeking God for the answers to your questions.

Or rather you say so because I do not agree with you. Be honest.

I have given you my understanding and I do believe that you jumping to conclusions before you have tried to get understanding from God on those things that you do not understand. Whether or not you agree with me or I with you has nothing to do with what I have stated.

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God does not consider woman to be a second class citizen nor do I. What other men do or have done is between them and God. Christianity does not teach that woman is a second class citizen.

So you do not believe in the inerrancy of the WHOLE bible?

No, I do not. The Lord even states that Moses made a mistake in what he taught relative to divorce, and there were errors that were made when copying from the orginal manuscripts and some translation errors, and there appears to be some scriptures that were added to justify the “trinity”.

March 25, 2008 at 6:26 am#84787

Is 1:18

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Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 25 2008,07:41)

So says one of the people who never saw the resurrected Jesus (Paul).

and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. (1 Cor 15: 5-8)

Apparently he did….

March 25, 2008 at 8:19 am#84790

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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 25 2008,01:26)

Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 25 2008,07:41)

So says one of the people who never saw the resurrected Jesus (Paul).

Apparently he did….

Act 9:3 As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him;
Act 9:4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

If you consider a light and a voice an “appearance” than OK. Could have as easily been “satan” for all we know since

2Co 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

March 25, 2008 at 8:30 am#84791

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2008,23:02)

Hi KJ:

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 24 2008,17:16)
Hi KJ:

As I have states Jesus the example for those who profess to be Christians to follow.

What example is that, exactly? That we should demand that people follow us? What example did Jesus give that is applicable to our every day lives? I'm truly interested.

Well if you are truly interested get on your knees and go to God in prayer asking him to show you. Read the New Testament again because obviously you missed something the first time.

Sorry 94, but this answer says you don't know the applicable example Jesus gave his followers, so you are saying I must find out for myself. You are starting to sound like another here who posts in a sort of odd haiku.

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However, that does not mean that they won't make mistakes along the way. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins.

How so? Human sacrifice was an abomination to Yahweh in the OT, what made Him change His mind?

The human sacrifice that was an abomination to God was human sacrifice to other gods.

So it was OK to sacrifice a human to Yahweh? Give me a break. Human sacrifice is sadistic. If you think God couldn't forgive us without having someone die is a very limited view of a loving God IMHO.

Jesus died for the things he did. He did some things that made him a target of the Romans. Insurrection was one.

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The sacrifice that we are speaking of relative to Jesus is that he wilfully obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross in spite of what man could do and did to him.

There are several instances where Jesus broke commandments of the Torah. He sinned.

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This then is a little different than the sacrifice that was an abomination to God.

Just a little? Is that all it takes for God to enjoy seeing the slaughter of a human?

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2.I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

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See above. People are to have faith in the limiting “word of God”, the bible? God is severely handicapped in that book.

How is God severly handicapped in the bible?

Yes, He is portrayed as a super human, replete with a range of selfish human emotions. Jealousy tops that list. But there is also His desire to see people die quite often.

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Or rather you say so because I do not agree with you. Be honest.

Yet you are one who supposedly understands these things although you are not really offering me anything I have not heard before. All of what you have given thus far is apologetic.

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God does not consider woman to be a second class citizen nor do I. What other men do or have done is between them and God. Christianity does not teach that woman is a second class citizen.

So you do not believe in the inerrancy of the WHOLE bible?

So you think the OT is bunk then?

March 25, 2008 at 10:31 am#84792

Cato

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2008,10:05)

Hi cato,
The kingdom of God existed before earth and it's puny inhabitants were created.
But vain men seem to think that it was ever all about men.
Men are offered a lifeline in Jesus Christ.
But we are owed nothing.

Nick,

Your point being? You earlier proposed a question to KJ on what would he then propose to God as a system for souls and I chose to answer that. You only then say it is not about man. Well I don't think mankind is the center of the universe or the most important thing in creation, and the God who created us can do with us however it pleases him. Yet I would think God had a purpose for us and a method for dealing with us that would meet that purpose. What is stated in scripture seems not to answer this. Your view of God is one who makes mistakes Gen 6:7 “And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.” Imagine God actually sorry for doing something. How if God is all-knowing and all-powerful? The OT view and so I think in turn yours, is a very narrow and limited view of the Almighty. I for one, would think the Creator above regret and repentence.

March 25, 2008 at 4:38 pm#84796

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Quote (Cato @ Mar. 25 2008,22:31)

The OT view and so I think in turn yours, is a very narrow and limited view of the Almighty. I for one, would think the Creator above regret and repentence.

Hi bro Cato,

I've been away for awhile. Contemplating and praying. I've just now read a few posts and it's the same old thing – banter and judgmental attitudes towards one another; trying to prove points rather than patiently explaining and loving. I want to than you for your posts, as they are the only ones that I have read so far that hold any life to them, any hope at all, any real logical view of the Almighty that we hope for. We must be critical and logical – God gave us a brain for such activities.

You have a way of putting both faith and logic together that I really can relate to. Thanks, bro.

Love to all,
Mandy

March 25, 2008 at 5:52 pm#84799

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Quote (Cato @ Mar. 25 2008,22:31)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2008,10:05)

Nick,

Hi cato,
We cannot develop ideas about what God should be like from our imagination.
He has shown us what He is like in scripture.
Look there first.

March 25, 2008 at 6:31 pm#84802

Cato

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Mandy,

Thank you for your kind words, if we can get over the idea of infallible scriptures and revealed religions containing “the truth” instead of partial truth, we can form a living, growing framework where faith and reason are complimentary, rather then antagonistic. Faith should not conflict with reason but rather take us where reason and logic sometime fall short because of our lack of knowledge or perspective.

March 25, 2008 at 6:37 pm#84804

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Hi cato,
Humanism?
Reason rules over all?
Yes that sort of religion is immensely popular.

March 25, 2008 at 6:41 pm#84807

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Hi cato,
Like it or not it is God's way or no way.
His ways are written=the rest is vanity.

March 25, 2008 at 7:11 pm#84808

Stu

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,05:52)

Quote (Cato @ Mar. 25 2008,22:31)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2008,10:05)

Nick,

Hi cato,
We cannot develop ideas about what God should be like from our imagination.
He has shown us what He is like in scripture.
Look there first.

Why scripture?

Stuart

March 26, 2008 at 3:29 am#84865

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,06:37)

Hi cato,
Humanism?
Reason rules over all?
Yes that sort of religion is immensely popular.

That isn't even close to what Cato has shared! Look again. Read without judgemental thoughts already in place.

Nick, you banter. It's not helpful. In fact, it's one of the reasons I no longer fully enjoy this site. You put people on the defense and the conversations that follow are not helpful for anyone. Try to first look at the positive of a post before you pick it apart and give contrary advice. Please.

March 26, 2008 at 3:32 am#84866

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,06:41)

Hi cato,
Like it or not it is God's way or no way.
His ways are written=the rest is vanity.

Yes, this is definitely encouraging.

We are without excuse WITHOUT scripture. Just observing nature and the God's creation let's us know that He IS. With Stu being the exception (Hi, Stu!).

Using our imaginations to wonder about God is not vanity. In fact, it's probably something that pleases our Father enourmously. The fact that we wonder and think about Him…what more could a parent ask for but children that want to know him and please him.

March 26, 2008 at 3:45 am#84867

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Bro Samuel [in response to “Have a good testimony” thread where apparently I cannot post – ridiculous!),

I've been touched by the down-to-earth way you post. It's refreshing to say the least.

Hey, let me encourage you my brother, you are not alone. Many folks battle with anger issues and addictions to video games. Many people suffer with ADHD. You just do the very best that you can, you know? You are only one person. Try to focus on your strengths and the things you do well. Most of all realize you are not perfect and try not to compare yourself with others (this will really get you frustrated). Besides, I from what I've read from you – I think you're pretty alright bro! :;): Have patience with yourself.

God is always faithful even when we are not. He has you in his hand. If he can hold all the waters in the shallow of his hand, he certainly can hold you. Trust him. He knows you're not perfect and guess what? He loves you more than you can ever imagine.

Hang in there, OK?
Love you bro,
Mandy

March 26, 2008 at 4:05 am#84869

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Hi mandy,
It is not the godless gunman blazing away that is the real threat
but the soft shoe philosophy salesman who would pick your pocket of faith.

March 26, 2008 at 4:09 am#84870

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Nick,

I hope you make sense to yourself because you make less and less sense to others.

March 26, 2008 at 4:16 am#84871