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Quote (chosenone @ Feb. 24 2010,16:47) To all, hopefully you will not be offended by the length of this article, I have copied it from “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, and it reflects completely how I feel. His Achievement Are We
Part OneOUR SAVIOUR GOD
GOD ALONE is our Saviour. Through Isaiah, He declares, “I, I, Yahweh am El [God]!God Bless, Jerry.
Hi Jerry,God's Name [יהוה] transliterates into English as YHVH; transliterates means sounds(Phonics).
GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however.
Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts.
These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels
and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left).
Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next,
aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds
are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk.
GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.[י ה ו ה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey …is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ
Theomatics offers proof of this FACT as a second witness(Matt.18:16)…
The “Divine=63” “Deity=63” of “The Bible=63” is “YHVH=63”!“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (chosenone @ Feb. 24 2010,16:47) To all, hopefully you will not be offended by the length of this article, I have copied it from “The Concordant Publishing Concern”, and it reflects completely how I feel. His Achievement Are We
Part OneOUR SAVIOUR GOD
GOD ALONE is our Saviour. Through Isaiah, He declares, “I, I, Yahweh am El [God]! And there is no Saviour apart from Me” (Isa.43:11). He is the Subjector and the Saviour: “An El, just, and a Saviour. And none is there except Me” (Isa.45:21).God Bless, Jerry.
Hi Jerry,Our pickiness adds clarity to others.
Knowing God's Real name YHVH [YÄ-hä-vā] is important.
Knowing the importantcy of God's Son's Name is critical because of it's meaning: which illustrates…
Pronouncing his name [יהשוע המשיח YÄ-shü-ă hä Mäh-shē-äkh] as Jesus is NOT a problem,
but mispronouncing it as [Yəsh-yü-ă] IS A BIG PROBLEM; and here's why…The Hebrew word [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă merely means ‘He will save’.
Distancing [יה]’s salvation from the man Jesus is a rejection of “YÄ-shü-ă”(Jesus=74) as “Messiah”=74.
This subtle distinction of [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă purposely substituted for [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă
usually goes unnoticed when heard by a non Hebrew-speaking person;
nevertheless, this wholly implies a specific denial of Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Jesus being found in fashion as a man, humbled himself, and became obedient unto death,
even His death on the cross [†]. (Phil. 2:8) Along with Jesus, either the phrase
|יהשוע הנצרי מלך היהוםדי| or the acronym of it was posted on a plaque and nailed to the “cross”=74.
This Hebrew inscription means|YÄ shü ă of Nazareth the king of the Jews|. YÄ-shü-ă means:
“YÄ will save” because “YÄ is YHVH”=117 and “YHVH is GOD”=117. Which means: GOD the Father is
both Christ’s Savior (Gal. 1:1) and ours. (1Cor. 6:14) “GOD the Father”=117 “is” “The Savior”=117. (AKJV: Isaiah 12:2)THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND CRITICAL IN OUR UNDERSTANDING!
God bless you JustAskin!
Keep in God's Spirit my brother!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orggene
here is you scripture;Eph 1:10 to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.
Eph 1:11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Eph 1:12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.I DO NOT SEE WHAT YOU SEE, AND I AM NOT BLIND,IF ANYONE ELSE SEE WHAT YOU SEE HE IS WELCOME
gene
what is LIBERTY-WHAT is CAPTIVATED – WHAT IS WILL
THIS IS YOUR SAYING;
;; To say we May freely Exercise our influenced and Captivated WILLS is the way it really is. ;;
BUT IT IS TO ASUME THAT DETERMINISM IS THE RIGHT AND TRUE UNDERSTANDING AND THAT IS WERE ALL STARTED .FREEWILL AND DETERMINISM CAN NOT STAND SIDE BY SIDE
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2010,06:25) gene here is you scripture;Eph 1:10 to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.
Eph 1:11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Eph 1:12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.I DO NOT SEE WHAT YOU SEE, AND I AM NOT BLIND,IF ANYONE ELSE SEE WHAT YOU SEE HE IS WELCOME
Hi Terraricca,We were ALL predestined!
2Pt:3:9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.
Matt.1814 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.Let me tell you a FAKE story so you can grasp the idea of predestination.
Johnny(a rich friend) has predestined you to go with him(all expenses paid by him) to “Disney world” in Florida.
Now you CANNOT go until your “Free Will” allows this to take place! Is this SOOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?NO ROBOT WORLD
Psalm 32:9: Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding:
whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.CHOICE IS “FREE WILL” !
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve The LORD(YHVH),
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE; whether the gods
which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:
but as for me and my house, WE WILL serve The LORD.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (thethinker @ Feb. 23 2010,06:52) Jodi Lee said: Quote The mind of Adam was the serpent in the garden. He created the deceit, and then Eve chose to eat of it and then Adam ate of it as well. The mind of Adam thought of the deceit, and both Adam and Eve believed it to be true, trusting in the carnal mind over God.
Jodi Lee,I have run into this nonsense before on another discussion board. The mind of Adam was not the serpent in the garden. Moses set up the headship principle of the man over the woman on the basis that the woman was first deceived. If Adam had created the deceit then Moses' principle that the man was the head of the woman was blatantly unjust.
I wanted to copy and paste excerpts from a debate I engaged in from another discussion board. The person I debated held your view. He ended up agreeing with me. But that forum has been remodeled and all the old discussions are gone. So I would like to debate you one on one in the “debates” forum.
Are you willing? If so I will start it.
p.s. I believe that the devil has been cast into the lake of fire. I reject the Futurist notion that the devil is alive and operating in the world today. But I insist that he was a personal being.
thinker
Hi Thinker,Yes I am willing. I thought we were going to do this like a year ago?
Before Moses we are shown that God made Man head over woman in the fact that Eve came from Adam's own flesh and for the purpose of being his helper.
Genesis 2:19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. 21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. 23 And Adam said: “This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.”
1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.So what you say is in error. The headship was set up by God and it was done BEFORE Eve was deceived.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2010,22:33) hi to all i would like to inquire if the bible teaches the possibility of becoming a worshiper of God and choose to worship God or not.
if we are not free and have no will to go with our freedom, then we have no decision to make it is done for us, and then no responsibility for our actions.
if we have freedom and have a will to use then we are responsibility of our actions.
Hi T:I am in agreement with you on this one.
Love in Christ,
MartyTerraricca………Are you now starting to get it? We have Liberty from GOD to exercise our captivated WILLS. How are they captivated ? By what is (INFLUENCING) Them. Try to figure this out,
Psa 68:18….> Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led (CAPTIVITY) captive: thou hast recieved gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
gene
you did not answer any of my questions ,and assume to close the book,how is that
you are an opportunist now??i still believe in freewill ,you have not answer my question,i try to understand what is your logic is.
GENE
you quote scriptures who does not support your views ,and then you go to some of J Coram version of scriptures to show that he interpret not what it says ;;;;;;;;;?then there is some one of your freinds comes to support you what i know he himself does not understand,but believes.
Hi CO,
It is a pity you did not let scripture interpret itself.It is so easy to manipulate it to make it fit follies like universalism if you ignore context.
edj
i tell you a little story;fake one ;i have a friend that his father pays a trip to anyone that comes to the house to pick up his ticket for Disneyland,predestination of all;freewill to all; do you understand EDJ,this is my understanding ,god is not partial.
gene
in my bible sPALM 68;18
Ps 68:18 When you ascended on high,
you led captives in your train;
you received gifts from men,
even from the rebellious—
that you, O LORD God, might dwell there.this scripture is related to what Paul said about Christ that Christ came to free captives (people trap in the false believes of men)this is why Jesus says the truth will make you free
Terraricca………Good Now before you get lost, you have admitted (people are (trapped) or captivated in false believes) that is right, step 1, and these false beliefs lead them,step 2, giving them there WILLS. step 3 Nothing FREE About it is there? Again for the hundredth time there is no such thing as a (FREE) WILL. A FREE WILL is an OXYMORON , It simply would not be a WILL if it were FREE of any INFLUENCE of ANY KIND.
Don't know what bible your reading but none i looked at translates Ps 68:18 like you do. Check out another bible maybe that will help you properly quote it.
Peace and love………………gene
Terraricca…… What you are saying make no sense what so ever. In fact it is you who produce scripture that has nothing to do wit Us possessing WILLS that are FREE in US. You get GOD granting us use of OUR captivated WILLS , as meaning we Posses “FREE” WILLS , yet not one Scripture Says we (HAVE) “FREE” WILLS (IN) US. I think your language barrier may be your problem. IMO
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2010,08:55) [
CHOICE IS “FREE WILL” !Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve The LORD(YHVH),
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE; whether the gods
which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:
but as for me and my house, WE WILL serve The LORD.
ED J……….Show where any of this say (we HAVE a “FREE WILL (IN) us. What it is saying if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD Choose you this day who you will serve.Where does that mean the WILL IN THEM is “FREE” because they have been given Because they have been given freedom to exercise that WILL does not mean the WILL in them a WILL “FREE “of INFLUENCE. Not even close to meaning that. Your trying like Terraricca to force the text to make it say what in fact it does not say. Think about it.
G,
It is important to you to deny any choice to men so that you can support your dogmas of determinism and universalism.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 26 2010,11:19) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2010,08:55) [
CHOICE IS “FREE WILL” !Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve The LORD(YHVH),
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE; whether the gods
which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell:
but as for me and my house, WE WILL serve The LORD.
ED J……….Show where any of this say (we HAVE a “FREE WILL (IN) us. What it is saying if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD Choose you this day who you will serve.Where does that mean the WILL IN THEM is “FREE” because they have been given Because they have been given freedom to exercise that WILL does not mean the WILL in them a WILL “FREE “of INFLUENCE. Not even close to meaning that. Your trying like Terraricca to force the text to make it say what in fact it does not say. Think about it.
Hi Gene,Apparently there is no way of changing your(free will) mind on this issue of “Free Will”…
…'don't bother me(Gene) with the facts, I(Gene) already have my mind made up'…
Influence in “NO WAY” inhibits “Free Will”; showing you many Bible verses on “Free Will”: ALL of which you deny !I will no longer work(my free will) on this issue for you to understand: why it's important.
but “I will” “Only” to keep you from swaying others(Free Will) away from this “Bible Truth”.Peace to you and yours…..Ed J
edj
I will join you in that decision,out of my freewill
anyone in Gene's world is definitely a slave of determinism of men.yes for the sake of the others looking for truth in the scriptures so that they may see there freewill and serve God the father
GENE
Christ has said that you are slave of what you have chosen either the devil way or God way,
if i am not free with my will then i have no choice to make it is made for me,and i am in no position to make choices and there fore i am not guilty of any offence or sin,and i am a robot without will.so your way of thinking is a OXIMORON
THE INFLUENCES ON US ARE NOT THE ONES WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS IT IS OUR CHOICE BY OUR FREEWILL TO PICK AND LET THAT INFLUENCE GOOD OR BAD TO TAKE CONTROL OF US,SO IT IS
OUR CHOICE TO SERVE GOD OR THE DEVIL.AMEN
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