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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 05 2008,06:19) Hi CO,
Do you just want the answers you think you found outside the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Nick.
I'm not asking for an answer I want. Just an answer, your opinon, on the question asked. You avoid the question by dancing around with another question or an irreverent answer.
Simple? Try again.Quote (942767 @ Oct. 05 2008,08:10) Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 04 2008,16:24) Hi 942767.
You ask …What about 1 John, do these scriptures apply to us?I will copy this explanation from the Concordant Publishing concern, they explainn it better than I can.
John, just as truly as Peter and James, ministered to the Circumcision, and referred to the nations as outside the sphere of fellowship (cf 3 Jn.7). Even when he widens the scope of blessing to include the whole world, he lays the heaviest stress on its relation to the favored nation. “He is the Propitiatory Shelter concerned with our sins (Israel's) yet not concerned with ours only, but concerned with the whole world also” (1Jn.2:2).
Blessings.
Hi CO:Well, does 1 John apply to us or not? If you understand the explanation that you have posted, please give me a simple yes or no. Thanks.
Hi 942767.
No.If I may add: “All scripture is FOR US, but not all scripture is ABOUT US.
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Christ in Paul expounded and applied the gospel in practical ways to the lives of the saved in his letters.
They were his wise and pragmatic teachings to the saved.His preaching to the heathen is shown in Acts.
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 05 2008,11:48) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 05 2008,08:10) Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 04 2008,16:24) Hi 942767.
You ask …What about 1 John, do these scriptures apply to us?I will copy this explanation from the Concordant Publishing concern, they explainn it better than I can.
John, just as truly as Peter and James, ministered to the Circumcision, and referred to the nations as outside the sphere of fellowship (cf 3 Jn.7). Even when he widens the scope of blessing to include the whole world, he lays the heaviest stress on its relation to the favored nation. “He is the Propitiatory Shelter concerned with our sins (Israel's) yet not concerned with ours only, but concerned with the whole world also” (1Jn.2:2).
Blessings.
Hi CO:Well, does 1 John apply to us or not? If you understand the explanation that you have posted, please give me a simple yes or no. Thanks.
Hi 942767.
No.If I may add: “All scripture is FOR US, but not all scripture is ABOUT US.
Blessings.
Hi CO:Then the scriptures found in 1 John are not about us but are for us. Is that correct?
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 05 2008,12:09) 942767.
Correct.
Hi Co:Then if the scriptures in 1 John are for us, let's take a look at a few scriptures and see if you agree with what they say:
First we must believe:
Quote 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.We must obey His Word and will if we are children of God. Does God do this for us or do we have to obey wilfully?
Quote 1Jo 2:3 ¶ And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.Quote 1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 ¶ In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.Quote 1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.Hi 942767.
By saying “all scripture is for us…” does not mean it is to us. By saying it is for us, means we are to read it, and understand what it says, to understand what God is doing with His creation, but clearly it is to the “circumcision”, Israel. That is what it means by saying “not all scripture is about us”.
Notice these books, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1,2,&3 John, and Jude, are all about, and to, the “circumcision”.
So in answer to your question: “Then if the scriptures in 1 John are for us, let's take a look at a few scriptures and see if you agree with what they say”: is not one that is relevent to us.Blessings.
Hi 94,
We too are of the circumcision.
The circumcision of baptism that unites Jew and gentileCol2
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Nick.
Being cicumcised (physicaly), and circumcised in your heart, are not the same. Those that were cicumcised in the flesh were the “Jews”. Those chosen by God “the body of Christ”, (Jew or Gentile) are circumcised of the heart.Hi CO,
You are right.But the good news is that the new circumcision and rebirth by the Spirit unites all who accept the gospel.
Nick.
Another correction: Being “born again”, was Jesus' message to Israel. We, those chosen by God, are a “new ceation”. We must “correctly cut the word of truth”. Also Matt.15:24 …Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Of course you don't believe His words, do you?Hi CO,
Same gospel.
Did you think God made several to divide the Body of Christ?
Jesus took the first steps preaching it by God's courtesy to His chosen people.Nick.
Jesus' gospel never mentions “the body of Christ”. Only in “the gospel of Nick” will we find the term “same gospel to the nations”.
It is dangerous to alter the word of God.Nick.
Sorry, it was not for me, Christ Himself said in Matt.15:24 …Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Who am I to argue with the words of Jesus?Hi CO,
Did you have to be there for his eternal words to have any relevance for you?
Heaven and earth will pass but not them.
Take note of them.Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 05 2008,16:16) Hi 942767.
By saying “all scripture is for us…” does not mean it is to us. By saying it is for us, means we are to read it, and understand what it says, to understand what God is doing with His creation, but clearly it is to the “circumcision”, Israel. That is what it means by saying “not all scripture is about us”.
Notice these books, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1,2,&3 John, and Jude, are all about, and to, the “circumcision”.
So in answer to your question: “Then if the scriptures in 1 John are for us, let's take a look at a few scriptures and see if you agree with what they say”: is not one that is relevent to us.Blessings.
Hi CO:So what about the book of Romans, is it written just for us to read or is it to us?
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 05 2008,16:16) Hi 942767.
By saying “all scripture is for us…” does not mean it is to us. By saying it is for us, means we are to read it, and understand what it says, to understand what God is doing with His creation, but clearly it is to the “circumcision”, Israel. That is what it means by saying “not all scripture is about us”.
Notice these books, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1,2,&3 John, and Jude, are all about, and to, the “circumcision”.
So in answer to your question: “Then if the scriptures in 1 John are for us, let's take a look at a few scriptures and see if you agree with what they say”: is not one that is relevent to us.Blessings.
Hi CO:Are we as Christians considered children of God?
Hi 942767.
You ask: Hi CO:So what about the book of Romans, is it written just for us to read or is it to us?
All of Pauls epistles apply to this present eon (era). They are addressed to the “saints”, or “ecclesia”, believers and Chosen of God. In our terms “christians”. Although do we really know who are the “true” christians? Only God knows for sure.
In my opinion, it is to be read by all, because who is to say who are the true “believers”, I'm sure many who think they are, are not neccessarlly so, and before this eon ends, I'm sure many are yet to be called by God. As scripture says, how are they to believe if they have not heard the word?
So in answer to your question, it is to us, and not just to read, IMO.Your second question: Hi CO:
Are we as Christians considered children of God?
I believe the answer is “yes”. But again, many who think they are “christian”, may not neccessarily be. Only God knows for sure.
Blessings.
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