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I understand that God designed us to choose. I may have worded my question badly because what I really want to know is why we choose what we choose. If it is random or external to us then it is not free choice. Scripture speaks of those that hunger and thirst for righteousness and it also speaks of those that love darkness. What makes a person one of those instead of the other.
I often wonder if we lived life again in a different time or place, would be where we are now with God. How much of it is environment and how much us.
Why do some choose darkness and others light. Ultimately, I think it is that some prefer to serve themselves rather than God. But how do some end up like this? Can one identical twin be saved and another not? How much of it is DNA. Perhaps God planted the children of God and the Devil planted his children. We grow together and will be sorted out in the end. If this is the case, then what of the children of the Devil that were seeded by the Devil. What chance do they have?
T8,
I do not know the answer but I believe it is wisest to act like we choose from ourselves because that is what happens whether some are essentially children of the devil and some are essentially children of God. We also are not to boast that we are the children of God because of our own actions as that way lies the “better than thou” syndrome.
Kerwin…….. I think you may be getting to what I have been saying about A SO-CALLED , WILL THAT IS FREE, not sure though. If a will is totally free it must be also free from influences of any kind , or it simply is not truly FREE, Which also would mean God has No true influence on us either , but scripture say We “CAN’T” even come to Jesus unless the Father Draw Us to him. Question is why would God even need to DRAW (DRAG) us to Jesus if it is just a matter of us coming to Jesus by our OWN “FREE” Wills.
No one seems to be able to answer that question, lots of distortions but nothing specific, Just human speculations. Satan wants us all to believe we are the master of our destinies and we don’t need Our God to achieve his planned Goal for us all.
The word “FREEWILL” is an OXYMORON , because none exists. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..Gene
Gene,
Very few if any of those that advocate free will believe it is free of influence. The majority believes each person’s ability to choose comes from within themselves.
Kerwin……….Nothing comes just from ourselves , spirits that are in us comes from outside of ourselves. John said , ALL that is in the world, the lust of the flesh , the lust of the eyes, the pride of life COMES FROM THE “WORLD”, the world is passing away and so is the lust there of.
Kerwin, what people do is get the LIBERTY God give us to express our CAPTIVATED wills mixed up with us having a Will that is “FREE”, no actual scripture say that, it is an assumption people make. Common sense should tell us that a “WILL” would not even be a WILL, without desires, which is based on premeditated thought, which comes from what influences our minds. We are not the captains of our own destinies as many assume . That is why God can Predestinate a person even before they are born and they will perform as he predestined them to. Scriptures are full of these examples of predestinated being., how does a so-called WILL that is FREE fit those scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Gene, why do you bother to convince us we have no free will. You obviously expect us to be able to freely choose your view based on the evidence you present to us. And if we did choose to align with your view, then in deed that is a demonstration of someone choosing freely among the options presented to him. So why even bother? What you are trying to do requires that we have a will to choose your view.
It is very clear from scriptures that we have free will
Note how many promises of God begin with “if” or “whosoever”
How many incredible promises are available that should we choose to believe them, our lives would truly glorify God
Agreed. Some would have us believe that this doesn’t actually mean anything.
T8……..saying “if” or who so ever will, in no way means that a will are FREE, it can just as Easley can mean, if you are despised to do this or that thing. To say it is indicating a Will that is FREE is just an assumption . IMO
When the spies went from Israel to spy out the land they were to invade, all of them said they could not conquer the land , except for Two, Joshua, and Caleb , why was that? , scripture show because they had a different Spirit in them. So why did it take that spirit that gave them the faith to say it was possible, if it is all a matter of a persons own “FREE” WILL.
Another point is why does scripture say, “For he (GOD) works IN US “BOTH” to “WILL” and “DO” of his good pleasure.”
Question why does God WORK IN US TO WILL, in the first place if He wants us to do everything by our own so-called Wills that are supposed to be “FREE”?
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
T8…….I bother to, because of the spirit working in me, and if it is the spirit of truth, then it compels me to respond in accordance with it, it has nothing to do with a WILL that is FREE, but a spirit that drives my thoughts. Again I am not saying we do not have LIBERTY to EXPRESS our CAPTIVATED WILLS, because we do have the liberty to do so. Remember I am talking about the WILL “ITSELF” not about the liberty to express it. I think that is the point where you and others are getting confused . IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………Gene
HI gENE
YOU says that it is the spirit working in you ,i believe you mean the knowledge that you have acquired in the word of God right ?
but what did make you accept that teaching ? what make you accepting to be driven to follow it ?
what make you do to share it with others ?
are you force into it or did you by your free will chose to do all those things ?
Gene,
Kerwin……….Nothing comes just from ourselves , spirits that are in us comes from outside of ourselves. John said , ALL that is in the world, the lust of the flesh , the lust of the eyes, the pride of life COMES FROM THE “WORLD”, the world is passing away and so is the lust there of.
Our will comes from ourselves or we would not posses it. Instead it would be the will of another. But if it is our will to do the things of the world then we are the world and we will pass away with it. Hopefully our will is to put away such things and do as the Spirit of God teaches us.
Are we not to be in control of our desires? Which are many?
Or are we just to follow what ever the flesh desires?
Are we slaves of our desires? Or are we in charge?
We have God’s laws to hold on to; and to live by it. And we control our evil desires.
The will of the flesh is nothing but against the will of God.We must take control with the help of God.Let not the lust of the flesh be in control;but let our free choice make the good choices.
Good according the will of God. We all are created free agents with many choices to make in life. But we decide.
We are the boss. We are no slaves of bad works. But slaves to God,by own choice.
wakeup.
wakeup.
The prophet Micah sawt he day when mankind will be liberated from priest craft and book fetish, when all free men and women will worship God as they understand God with the will to do Gods will or not.
Micah 4:4
3And He will judge between many peoples And render decisions for mighty, distant nations. Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they train for war. 4Each of them will sit under his vine And under his fig tree, With no one to make them afraid, For the mouth of the LORD of hosts has spoken. 5Though all the peoples walk Each in the name of his god, As for us, we will walk In the name of the LORD our God forever and ever.
Colter.
Regarding book fetish.
Is not the urantia a book that you are addicted to?
Is that book not your fetish?
wakeup.
No, the UB wasn’t written by God, makes no claim of divine authorship, neither does the Bible.
After the Urantia revelation, we now know much more about Paradise.
More will always be revealed from those on high, but petrifying any writings into divine writings stunts the growth of religionists. Then you are stuck arguing with each other about what other men wrote.
Colter.
During the thouansd year reign of Christ, that will be paradise for the jews brought back by choice.
But a kingdom of Christ and His saints to rule over the jews inside and the gentiles out side.
All living in the kingdom will be at rest; no tears and no pain,the lion will eat straw.
The resurrected saints will have inherited all things.
wakeup.
Luke 1:33
“He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” 34Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?”…
forever, and His kingdom will have no end
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