Free Will?

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,22:21)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2012,06:24)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 29 2012,01:19)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,00:08)

Ed j……..We atre set Free from Sin which captivates our desires and “causes” us to will for that which is wrong. Aain that it self should show you our Wills are Biased and are not free of Influences as you suppose they are. Any influence on a Will causes it not to be “FREE or it simply would not be influenced at all if it were truly Free. Jesus set us free from what captivates us and our wills and that is Sin. Haven you read where Jesus said a man is held captive by what over powers him?. If the man is held captive so is his will.

Again the word “FREEWILL” is and OXYMORON anyway you cut it. IMO

peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene

Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Obvisouly there isn't a freewill if we are being set free from boundage.
Sin obviously is something that even if we wanted to be free from, can't unless its by Jesus.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Just to add to what Gene was saying.

G and D

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Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

their are two position we can chose from BE SERVANT OF SIN,

OR BE SERVANT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,

i WANDER WITCH ONE YOU GUYS ARE SERVANT OF AND WHY

Terricca……….I don't wonder who you serve you own words of “accusing” people Shows us all that. IMO

peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………..en

GENE

you got all wrong ,I was not insulting you or anyone else,

read my question ,and understand it in the topic view of free will ;we have two options to do things ;

October 29, 2012 at 9:43 pm#318148

Ed J

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,06:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,21:00)

Hey Gene, on a more serious note.

When Jesus said he was setting us “Free”, what was he setting us FREE from?
Of course the simple answer is: from sin and the effects of sin, which is death.
This simple answer matches O-N-L-Y with “POINT #1”, what of “POINT #2”?

“I have come that (1)they might have life,
(2)and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10)

“What specifically are we set free from – regarding POINT #”2” ??
(and don't even try to 'split' point #1 into a point #2)

God bless
Ed J

Again the word “FREEWILL” is and OXYMORON anyway you cut it. IMO

peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene

Hi Gene,

I didn't see your answer to my point #2 in this post?
Can you please use your “FreeWill” and highlight it for me?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 30, 2012 at 2:00 pm#318207

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Sd j……….I think i have answered you question, Jesus set us free from Sin that controll our lives, he has come to set the “captives Free” what do you think we are set free of if not the sin that captivates our minds and therefor our wills. The problem you are thinking you will is total “FREE” and that is apsolutly not true, you and me will and even God Will is a result of our desires brouth about by our desires which compose our wills. Nothing “FREE” about it. You still are confusing our liberty to excercise those biased Will with the Will themselves being “FREE” foe the hundreth time the words “FREEWILL” is an OXYMORN no such Will exists are it simply would not be a Will or Desire now would it? All will or Desires are result of influences and therefore are not “FREE” themselves

Ed j………This should not be hard for you to understand brother, your mixing up our liberty to excercise those “influenced and biased Will” with them being “FREE” themselves. Think about it Ed j.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………..gene

October 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm#318212

Ed J

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Hi Gene,

On the one hand you say our “Will” is “Free” to choose,
but on the other you say we do not have a “Free Will”?
These ideas of YOURS are incongruent with each other.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm#318213

Ed J

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Hi Gene,

The words 'captivated will' or 'influenced will' are not in the bible; only “FreeWill”.
Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own FreeWill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 30, 2012 at 7:43 pm#318239

mikeboll64

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Gene and Dennison,

It's hard to argue against Ed's scripture, which explicitely describes a human being's free will.

November 1, 2012 at 3:25 pm#318470

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,02:38)

Hi Gene,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED J………What it is saying if you care to research it, is a Voluntary Offering , it is not Speaking about the WILL itself being FREE as you assume it is. As i have said over and over your are confusing the FREEDOM God giving us liberty to excerise our Biased Wills with the Will itself being non influenced and therefore “FREE Functioning> Nothing can be further from the truth.

Ed j……….just ask yourself what is a WILL if not a DESIRE and if it is a DESIRE then What is causing that DESIRE is it not a INFlUENCE of SOME KIND and if It is an Influenced effect then it it not TRULY FREE Now is it. The term FREEWILL is an OXYMORON No will “itself” is FREE or it simply would not be a WiLL.

peace abd love To you and yours Ed j…………………….gene

November 1, 2012 at 7:16 pm#318475

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 01 2012,21:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,02:38)

Hi Gene,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

peace abd love To you and yours Ed j…………………….gene

]gene

you are fighting against scriptures SO IT IS THE SCRIPTURES OF GOD THAT ARE AN “OXYMORON “

THIS THEN IS GOOD BYE I DO NOT TALK WITH PEOPLE WITH THIS KIND OF VIEW

November 1, 2012 at 9:06 pm#318476

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,23:22)

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 27 2012,12:15)

I have chosen freely to say that I have free will.
Gene has chosen freely to believe that there is no free will.

Free will allows for this outcome.

Happy free willing everyone.

Maybe we should have a day in the year when we celebrate free will. Free will day. How about it Gene. What is your will on this?

:laugh:

Hi T8,

Us “FreeWillers” must unite against the influence of having a 'Captivated Will'.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The Captivators use free will to believe the opposite of what they are doing. :laugh:

November 1, 2012 at 9:08 pm#318477

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 01 2012,21:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,02:38)

Hi Gene,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

peace abd love To you and yours Ed j…………………….gene

]gene

you are fighting against scriptures SO IT IS THE SCRIPTURES OF GOD THAT ARE AN “OXYMORON “

THIS THEN IS GOOD BYE I DO NOT TALK WITH PEOPLE WITH THIS KIND OF VIEW

A little bit of investigation would show that in order to choose anything, it has to be available as an option otherwise it wouldn't be a consideration. So if we removed all influences, then there would be nothing to choose from.

:laugh:

November 1, 2012 at 9:12 pm#318478

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Gene are you too proud to admit humans are free to choose.
Are we not told to choose between God and money.
Are we not told to choose this day whom we will serve.
Are we not told to choose between the flesh and the spirit.

Face it, your view is wrong because as believers we all have to choose between the spirit or the flesh, and some will choose the spirit while others the flesh.

Your view means that those who chose the flesh had no free choice to choose otherwise.

WRONG.

They are held accountable for their choice because they could have chosen either way.

Both the Spirit and Flesh have influence over us. But we choose freely to ultimately to the will of one or the other.

November 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm#318608

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]t8

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this his so true :laugh:

November 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm#318630

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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,08:12)

Face it, your view is wrong because as believers we all have to choose between the spirit or the flesh, and some will choose the spirit while others the flesh.

Your view means that those who chose the flesh had no free choice to choose otherwise.

WRONG.

They are held accountable for their choice because they could have chosen either way.

Both the Spirit and Flesh have influence over us. But we choose freely to ultimately to the will of one or the other.

T8…….> indeed we and you are told that, but will you “WILL” to do that? It will depend on the degree of you conviencement and none of that convencement depends on a Will that is “FREE now does it, but a mind that God has opened to the truth by his “Spirit” of Truth. and that is what convences us and “causes” us to Chose Gods way. None of that come “from” our own Captivated and Biased Wills now does it . Even Jesus said Not “MY WILL” but thy Will be done , Why is that if “FREEWILL” was so important.

Why was Jesus' not “Willing” or Desiring to Die and why was he not allowed to excercise His WILL and notice no where did Jesus say My “FREE” WILL, now did He, that is what you people add to scriptures as you do many others things also.

In Fact no Scripture say Man or GOD has a Will that is “FREE” “operating” in him not even one But as i have brought out here many times God said he did all thing after the council of his WILL. Nothing said about that will being FREE at all> IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene

November 2, 2012 at 11:12 pm#318635

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Gene, I see that you have chosen to post again.

:laugh:

November 2, 2012 at 11:13 pm#318636

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 03 2012,12:17)

Even Jesus said Not “MY WILL” but thy Will be done , Why is that if “FREEWILL” was so important.

He chose to do God's will even over his own, unlike the Devil who chose his own way and sinned. How hard was that.

November 3, 2012 at 12:21 pm#318702

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T8……….He hath him sealed and again nO man “CAN” come unto me “except the Father “Draw” (drag) him. So where is yopur so-called “FREEWILL” in those Operations of Salvation. Again as i have said over and over here your confusing our Liberty to express our Wills with the Will (themselves) being Free, Produce one scripture that say we have a So-called Will that is “FREE” working in us , the very word Will itself show it is not Free but a desire driven by the Mind that is being influenced by something. Common sense should tell you that. If the Will it self was “FREE” it would not be able to be influenced now would it? IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………gene

November 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm#318711

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 03 2012,18:21)

T8……….He hath him sealed and again nO man “CAN” come unto me “except the Father “Draw” (drag) him. So wher is yopur so-called “FREEWILL” in thpose Operations of Salvation. Again as i have said overe and over here your confusing our Liberty to express our Will with the Will themselves being Free, Produce one scripture that say we have a So-called Will that is “FREE” working in us , the very word Will itself shown it is not Free but a desire driven by the Mind that is being influenced by something. Common sense should tell you that. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………gene

nothing is working in you or us unless we agree with it to do so

November 3, 2012 at 4:00 pm#318714

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Terricca………Can't you see i have never said we do not have Freedom to EXCERCISE our WILL, i have never denyed that , I am not talking about our Liberty to use our Will I am talking about the WILLS themselves . Why can't you people understand that?

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene

November 3, 2012 at 9:03 pm#318734