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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,00:47) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,04:52) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,20:30) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,02:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,18:30) edj you say;;Hi Terraricca,
Do you think by quoting more than one verse: God won't get his will?
Ed J
It is God will that will be done on earth and in heaven ;no doubt about it;
that s not were the question lays my friend ,
the question lays in ;; are we part of Gods will or are we out of it .
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,What does this verse say to you?
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost,
but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou start to scare me in your way of questioning ,go to your point .
and let me see if i can agree with you
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,My point is two-fold, first…
1) Do you think it's God's will to save everyone?And if yes…
2) Will God's will be done concerning this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjno ,not all men will be saved,;Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
this looks like some of those are thrown in the lake of fire;
if not then why is the preaching of the gospel:?why like Paul says restrict yourself to do good if there is no reward and no punishment for the wickets,just eat and drink because tomorrow we die;;;
since Geneses to Revelation it talks about blessings and curse
and judgement ,now you are saying God will save everyone ,???
were is that written, so that all other scriptures can be ignored.??
because if you say it is this way you make a liar out of God.
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,If you want me to explain it to you, I will.
But you seem not to be interested.all
here is dictionary explanation;
Will (philosophy), or willpower, is a philosophical concept that is defined in several different ways
Free Will, the trait that produces conscious choices and actions.
The Will to Power, a prominent concept in the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche
True Will, found within the mystical system of Thelema
Will (sociology), a concept introduced by Ferdinand Tönnies in 1887
Volition (psychology), the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of actionboundaries of creation ;means,
just like you create a animal park were all they animals are free to act in their on nature only limited to the park limit fence.
this you understand,limited freewill. means free to do and go within the fenceQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,06:16) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,00:47) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,04:52) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,20:30) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,02:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,18:30) edj you say;;Hi Terraricca,
Do you think by quoting more than one verse: God won't get his will?
Ed J
It is God will that will be done on earth and in heaven ;no doubt about it;
that s not were the question lays my friend ,
the question lays in ;; are we part of Gods will or are we out of it .
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,What does this verse say to you?
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost,
but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou start to scare me in your way of questioning ,go to your point .
and let me see if i can agree with you
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,My point is two-fold, first…
1) Do you think it's God's will to save everyone?And if yes…
2) Will God's will be done concerning this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjno ,not all men will be saved,;Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
this looks like some of those are thrown in the lake of fire;
if not then why is the preaching of the gospel:?why like Paul says restrict yourself to do good if there is no reward and no punishment for the wickets,just eat and drink because tomorrow we die;;;
since Geneses to Revelation it talks about blessings and curse
and judgement ,now you are saying God will save everyone ,???
were is that written, so that all other scriptures can be ignored.??
because if you say it is this way you make a liar out of God.
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,If you want me to explain it to you, I will.
But you seem not to be interested.
edjyou beleive in free will ,and so do i,we have already quoted this many times;
you are asking me if it is God s will to save anyone??
in return why given freewill to anyone if they do not going to neede it??of cause God want all people to come to repence and be saved, this is the open call of the gospel,
either you beleive or you don't.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,23:45) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,06:16) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,00:47) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,04:52) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,20:30) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,02:25) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 13 2010,18:30) edj you say;;Hi Terraricca,
Do you think by quoting more than one verse: God won't get his will?
Ed J
It is God will that will be done on earth and in heaven ;no doubt about it;
that s not were the question lays my friend ,
the question lays in ;; are we part of Gods will or are we out of it .
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,What does this verse say to you?
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost,
but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou start to scare me in your way of questioning ,go to your point .
and let me see if i can agree with you
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,My point is two-fold, first…
1) Do you think it's God's will to save everyone?And if yes…
2) Will God's will be done concerning this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjno ,not all men will be saved,;Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
this looks like some of those are thrown in the lake of fire;
if not then why is the preaching of the gospel:?why like Paul says restrict yourself to do good if there is no reward and no punishment for the wickets,just eat and drink because tomorrow we die;;;
since Geneses to Revelation it talks about blessings and curse
and judgement ,now you are saying God will save everyone ,???
were is that written, so that all other scriptures can be ignored.??
because if you say it is this way you make a liar out of God.
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,If you want me to explain it to you, I will.
But you seem not to be interested.
edjyou beleive in free will ,and so do i,we have already quoted this many times;
you are asking me if it is God s will to save anyone??
in return why given freewill to anyone if they do not going to neede it??of cause God want all people to come to repence and be saved, this is the open call of the gospel,
either you beleive or you don't.
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,Are you telling me why you choose (out of your Free Will) for me not to explain it to you?
edj
i have no idea what you want to explain to me,of what i already know about it;but i will err it so go ahead,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,23:54) edj i have no idea what you want to explain to me,of what i already know about it;but i will err it so go ahead,
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,I will explain using one simple example and parable.
Being saved from the electric chair and walking out of prison are two different things.2Peter 3:9 9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but
is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Free and saved are two different things! John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.Matt.18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king,
which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon,
one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch
as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children,
and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then
the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave
him the debt. But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants,
which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the
throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. And his fellowservant fell down at his feet,
and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. And he
would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. So when
his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told
unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said
unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from
your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.Matt.5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means
come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.Do you understand now?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,06:59) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,23:54) edj i have no idea what you want to explain to me,of what i already know about it;but i will err it so go ahead,
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,I will explain using one simple example and parable.
Being saved from the electric chair and walking out of prison are two different things.2Peter 3:9 9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but
is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Free and saved are two different things! John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.Matt.18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king,
which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon,
one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch
as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children,
and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then
the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave
him the debt. But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants,
which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the
throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. And his fellowservant fell down at his feet,
and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. And he
would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. So when
his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told
unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said
unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from
your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.Matt.5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means
come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.Do you understand now?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
edji understand ,but your conclusion is dark,could you put some light in it??
Pierre
To all,
What is the bibles definition of “will”?
Jesus chose to submit his will to God's will. Did that action come from his will or God's?
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,23:35) Volition (psychology), the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of action
Terricca……..That cognitive process is determined by what is (IN) a Person all ready, and that is what (INFLUENCES) him and causes him or her to will things. So If you understand that then you should understand there is no such thing as a will that is TRULY “FREE”, working (IN) a Person.Your example about the animal park is flawed because it doesn't take into consideration the fact that those animal's will act out what is already in them , nothing “FREE” about no matter how free range they Have they still will do the same things. Think about it.
Peace and love…………………………………gene
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 15 2010,01:28) To all, What is the bibles definition of “will”?
Jesus chose to submit his will to God's will. Did that action come from his will or God's?
Good question, kerwin…..we all have a free will to either obey God or not… If we did not we would be like puppets on a string. And God does not want that. He wants us to obey out of Love to Him…..Hope you feeling well…..IreneIrene……….What you would do is predictable because it is based on what is already in you. Just as Animals they all act our to the program that is (IN) them so does Mankind, he is the produce of his enviousness and education. Man is governed by the Lusts that work (IN) Him or Her, Just as John said “(ALL) that is (IN) the World , the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh and the (PRIDE OF LIFE) are (FROM THE WORLD)”. You can believe that or not it is up to the amount of understanding you already have (IN) You there is Nothing “FREE” about it. We are all held captive by out thoughts and those thought are not random thoughts but thought put there by Past knowledge and Influences and in Some by GOD'S Holy Spirit ,working (IN) them , very predictable nothing FREE about it. You confusing GOD allowing Us to exercise our WILLS in this LIFE as US having a FREE WILL WORKING (IN) US> Nothing could be further from the truth Irene. Salvation is (NOT) a CHANCE it is a direct act by GOD in and Through His Chosen People, nothing FREE about it except He give it to US. He changes our Hearts and Minds to be in accordance to his way of thinking, and Just as it say “GREATER IS HE THAT IS (IN) YOU THEN HE THAT IS (IN) THE WORLD”. GOD'S Will (WILL) be done despite what anyone thinks, “For GOD works (ALL) things according to the counsel of (HIS) WILL”, notice our wills are not mentioned there are they. GODS Kingdom involves (HIS) will NOT OUR WILL at ALL. Jesus said not my Will but thy will be done. Why is that?, seeming you believe your Will is what saves you by your Personal Choices that come from SELF WILL. Sis you are wrong on this.
peace and love to you and Georg………………………………………gene
Irene ………May GOD make me HIS Puppet, yes may his strings (SPIRIT)be connected to every part of my being, so i can truly (IMAGE) Him as Jesus my brother DID. ONLY ONE GOD, ONLY ONE WAY, and that is GODS WAY. That GOD may be (IN) ALL and THROUGH (ALL> Or do you think GOD is ineffective and must rely on OUR So-called “FREE” WILL. If that were the case no one would ever be saved Including Jesus also. Who said (NOT MY WILL BE DONE) BUT (THY) WILL BE DONE> think about it Irene.
peace and love……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 15 2010,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,23:35) Volition (psychology), the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of action
Terricca……..That cognitive process is determined by what is (IN) a Person all ready, and that is what (INFLUENCES) him and causes him or her to will things. So If you understand that then you should understand there is no such thing as a will that is TRULY “FREE”, working (IN) a Person.Your example about the animal park is flawed because it doesn't take into consideration the fact that those animal's will act out what is already in them , nothing “FREE” about no matter how free range they Have they still will do the same things. Think about it.
Peace and love…………………………………gene
Geneyou never respond to my quote on page 83;Oct. 14 2010,07:36
this quote were it explain the reason for God to have given free will to men,
so could give your detail comment on it.
Pierre
To all,
Using the definitions for “will” at dictionary.com I believe that Jesus is speaking of purpose. I also believe that purpose is driven by a combination of the desires of the soul and spirit influenced by physical and environmental factors such as culture, perceived abilities, obstacles to the choice, etc. Romans 7:22-23 is the basis of this conclusion.
I also believe you make the choice to submit or not to submit to the will of God based on the desires of the soul alone even though Satan will strive to get you to strive not to. Matthew 5:6 is the basis of this conclusion.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 15 2010,14:18) To all, Using the definitions for “will” at dictionary.com I believe that Jesus is speaking of purpose. I also believe that purpose is driven by a combination of the desires of the soul and spirit influenced by physical and environmental factors such as culture, perceived abilities, obstacles to the choice, etc. Romans 7:22-23 is the basis of this conclusion.
I also believe you make the choice to submit or not to submit to the will of God based on the desires of the soul alone even though Satan will strive to get you to strive not to. Matthew 5:6 is the basis of this conclusion.
kerwinit is all back to the WANTS AND THE NEED.S
our free will runs between those two concepts.
Gods say ;I SET LIVE AND DEATH BEFORE YOU CHOSE LIVE;SPIRITUAL FROM ABOVE.
so if you think you need live ;;you will pick live;;
but if you want ,death,you will take ALL THINGS THAT LEAD TO DESTRUCTION,CARNNAL
It does not matter we always have to make a choice ,out of our free will either pick live over death or death over live
no way out ; and the undecided will be vomited.
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 15 2010,07:18) To all, Using the definitions for “will” at dictionary.com I believe that Jesus is speaking of purpose. I also believe that purpose is driven by a combination of the desires of the soul and spirit influenced by physical and environmental factors such as culture, perceived abilities, obstacles to the choice, etc. Romans 7:22-23 is the basis of this conclusion.
I also believe you make the choice to submit or not to submit to the will of God based on the desires of the soul alone even though Satan will strive to get you to strive not to. Matthew 5:6 is the basis of this conclusion.
kerwin All those things you mentioned are right, but your choice is Yours, your will. I know that culture has a lot to do with how we grow up, however we still have a choice our will to learn the language for instance or not. I can give you an example. When we came from Germany in 1955 we did not know any English at all. It took some time and going to School to learn the language of this country. Now look at the Mexicans. It upsets me to no end when I have to listen to Spanish when I call any store today. That is my will that made me go after it….. Inside I will always have a German heart, but we speak English even at home. Georg is German!!!! We could speak that language…..But in a sense I am an American… Free will is a choice we have. To say anything else INO is redicoulous. That might not agree with some, but if God wanted puppets then He could have done so, with His will. Even Jesus had a free will, He cried before His dead on the cross, and asked His Father if possible if that cross could be taken away. He was scared…….IMIO Why would He say that if His will was not His. But He came down from Heaven to do His Fathers will ,and not His will.Jhn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sen me.
Jesus words.
Peace adn Love IreneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 15 2010,04:15) Irene ………May GOD make me HIS Puppet, yes may his strings (SPIRIT)be connected to every part of my being, so i can truly (IMAGE) Him as Jesus my brother DID. ONLY ONE GOD, ONLY ONE WAY, and that is GODS WAY. That GOD may be (IN) ALL and THROUGH (ALL> Or do you think GOD is ineffective and must rely on OUR So-called “FREE” WILL. If that were the case no one would ever be saved Including Jesus also. Who said (NOT MY WILL BE DONE) BUT (THY) WILL BE DONE> think about it Irene. peace and love……………………………gene
Gene!
Jhn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
You choice is yours to obey God or not, choice is you willl to do good or bad….
Jesus came to do His Fathers will and not His own will…….get it….
Peace and Love
Treeicca………..NO, that choice will alway be based on what (INFLUENCES) you the most. God would never expect us to make a right Choice based on our CARNAL NATURES and limited understandings. He must install (IN) Us His way of thinking and reveal thing to us. He does this by His Spirit, this is the MIND that was driving Jesus that Mind of GOD was greater in HIM then His Mind and it overcame HIS WILL. But either way His WILL or GODS, neither is a “FREE” WILL, that word is and OXYMORON , you simply can't have a WILL and it be FREE at the same time. The very word WILL implies influencing going on (in) a Being no matter who that being is. WILL YES, “FREE” WILL NO. You can not find any where that scripture says we all have “FREE” WILL,OPERATING (IN) US, it say we have WILL but they are far from being FREE, in fact they are captivated WILL, imprisoned by our thinking. Jesus came to set of FREE (FROM ) Our Captivated WILL and Delivers Us in another Captivity that of GOD. Therefore it say HE (Jesus) Led captives, captive.
Eph 4:8……….> Wherefore he says, (When) Notice it does not say he (REASCENDED) but, ” he ASCENDED up on high, he led CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE) and gave gifts unto men”. 9…> (NOW) , (after his resurrection ), that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of earth?, (when He died). 10 He (Jesus) that descended (into the grave) is the same also that ascended UP far above all all heavens, that He might fill all things. 11 And He gave some apostles, and some, Prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers: 12..>For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ or the CHRISTOS (anointed) 13…> Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of GOD, unto a (PERFECT) Man, unto the (MEASURE) of the (STATURE) of the (FULLNESS) of Christ or anointed or Christos.
Does anyone see any difference here between Jesus and Us , we also decent when we die, and we also ascend when we are raised up just like Jesus we are to come unto the (FULL) Measure of Christ to the same level as Jesus did. Through the same process. IMO
peace and love………………………..gene
Irene……….If Jesus came to (NOT) do HIS WILL then Why do You think He Did HIS so-called “FREE WILL” O, and by the way Jesus never used the word “FREE” WILL did he as you people do, That is your doing not His. Saying someone has a WILL is one thing saying it is a FREE WILL is quite another. IMO
peace and love to you and Georg…………………………………..gene
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