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No Ed, it is NOT “ME”. It is a “part OF me”.
If you were cut into pieces, and people were picking up your various body parts, would the man who found your right leg say, “I found Ed………here HE is!”? No, he would say, “I found one OF Ed's legs”.
Quote 1) The HolySpirit was with/in Jesus. (Acts:10:38)
Yes.Quote 2) Jesus said his father doeth the works. (John 14:10)
Yes. And the Father did the works through everyone who performed signs in the Bible. Does that mean Moses WAS God Himself? How about Elijah? The others?Quote 3) Jesus cast out devils with the “Finger” of God. (Luke 11:20)
Yes.Ed:
Quote So is God's finger the “HolySpirit”? I believe so.
Yes, the Holy Spirit is referred to as “the finger of God”. Notice it is referred to as a body part OF God, not God Himself.Ed:
Quote Is the “HolySpirit” Jesus' Father? Matt.1:18,20 and Luke 1:35 suggest so.
NO. God is the Father of Jesus, hence their Father/Son relationship. God impregnated Mary BY MEANS of His Holy Spirit. Think about it Ed. You ignored this scripture in the other thread:Luke 11:13 NIV
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”Jesus calls one “the Father”. We know that our Father is his Father. He then speaks of something that Father can GIVE us. But you think it should read, “your Father will give you your Father if you ask”.
Ed:
Quote Jesus also said he spoke his father's words. So if his Father is “The Word”, this completes the picture.
If your foundation is built on unscriptural reasonings, then your conclusion, while maybe “completing” your house, is also unscriptural.You say that Jesus spoke his literal Father out of his mouth. Did little chunks of God come flying out when Jesus talked?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:42) I did not mention John 5:24, why are you bringing this verse into your explanation?
I did not ask you who's words was Jesus speaking? You are clearly answering the wrong question.
Just answer my question about it. Who is “Jesus' word”?Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:42) THE REAL QUESTION is… “The Son can do nothing of himself”
How does this point (↑) in John 5:24 square with this point (↓) in John 15:20
“The Word that I said unto you”Jesus cannot be “The Word” in John 15:20, because that would nullify John 5:24.
In more term then: if “The Word” is not Jesus, then why do you say he is?
Please keep the focus of your explanation only on “only” these two points.
Yes Ed. I got the point the first time and clearly answered it.You think because the word “word” is used as being the “words God spoke” then it must ALWAYS mean only that.
I'm telling you that “word of God” can mean either God's words that He spoke…………OR………Jesus Christ, who has the title of “Word of God” because he is God's spokesman.
Jesus speaks about his “word” in 5:24. Is Jesus saying “my word” as in “take my word for it”, or is their another “being” who is “the Word of Jesus”?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:43) 1) Does not “The Bible” credit The HolySpirit for the conception?
2) Does not “The Bible” call the “HolySpirit” God in Acts 5:4?
3) Does not “The Bible” call the result of Mary's conception “The Son of God” in Luke 1:35?
If these three points are all true, then why do you say No?
1. NO! God impregnated Mary BY MEANS of His Holy Spirit. God is Jesus' Father, not the Spirit OF God.2. No. By lying to the Spirit of God, which communicates back and forth between us and God, you are in the same instance lying to God, who is receiving that lie as fast as you are telling it. Why do you ignore verse 9 Ed? Verse 9 CLEARLY points out what is meant by saying they lied to “the Spirit OF God”.
3. Yes Ed. So if it said “God's penis” instead of God's Holy Spirit, would you think God was Jesus' Father……..or only His “penis”?
Ed, my patience with you is wearing thin. You started off with some easy to understand misconceptions. But after I CLEARLY and SCRIPTURALLY show you things that make what you think unscriptural, you just start playing around.
Show you are still serious about this discussion by DIRECTLY addressing my three answers above. That means no diversions or added scripture for right now. ONLY answer to the scriptures involved above.
mike
Just answer this one scripture Ed. The rest is useless chatter if you can't explain this one scripture.
Luke 11:13
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:29) No Ed, it is NOT “ME”. It is a “part OF me”. (A)If you were cut into pieces, and people were picking up your various body parts, would the man who found your right leg say, “I found Ed………here HE is!”? No, he would say, “I found one OF Ed's legs”.
Quote 1) The HolySpirit was with/in Jesus. (Acts:10:38)
Yes.Quote 2) Jesus said his father doeth the works. (John 14:10)
Yes. And the Father did the works through everyone who performed signs in the Bible.
(B)Does that mean Moses WAS God Himself? How about Elijah? The others?Quote 3) Jesus cast out devils with the “Finger” of God. (Luke 11:20)
Yes.Ed:
Quote So is God's finger the “HolySpirit”? I believe so.
(C)Yes, the Holy Spirit is referred to as “the finger of God”. Notice it is referred to as a body part OF God, not God Himself.Ed:
Quote Is the “HolySpirit” Jesus' Father? Matt.1:18,20 and Luke 1:35 suggest so.
(D)NO. God is the Father of Jesus, hence their Father/Son relationship. God impregnated Mary BY MEANS of His Holy Spirit. Think about it Ed. You ignored this scripture in the other thread:Luke 11:13 NIV
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”(E)Jesus calls one “the Father”. We know that our Father is his Father. He then speaks of something that Father can GIVE us. But you think it should read, “your Father will give you your Father if you ask”.
Ed:
Quote Jesus also said he spoke his father's words. So if his Father is “The Word”, this completes the picture.
(F)If your foundation is built on unscriptural reasonings, then your conclusion, while maybe “completing” your house, is also unscriptural.(G)You say that Jesus spoke his literal Father out of his mouth. Did little chunks of God come flying out when Jesus talked?
Hi Mike,I enjoy discoursing with you, brother Mike! (sounds like gollamudi would say; huh?)
A) If they were searching the woods looking for the body and someone
found a leg sticking out of the mud, he would definitely shout: here HE is!B) No; it means YHVH was with Moshe, but was inside Jesus.
C) Would you deny that your intellect was you?
D) Though the HolySpirit is both credited with the conception(Matt.1:18,20 Luke 1:35)
and called God(Acts 5:5); yet this seems to trouble you?E) HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ! (Click Here)
1Cor.2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.F) Please define for us all what ‘un-scriptural reasoning’ is?
G) This is an easy one!
John 6:63 …the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 17:3God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:31) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:42) I did not mention John 5:24, why are you bringing this verse into your explanation?
I did not ask you who's words was Jesus speaking? You are clearly answering the wrong question.
Just answer my question about it. Who is “Jesus' word”?
Hi Mike,Here is what Jesus said…
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's(HolySpirit) which sent me.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:29) No Ed, it is NOT “ME”. It is a “part OF me”. (A)If you were cut into pieces, and people were picking up your various body parts, would the man who found your right leg say, “I found Ed………here HE is!”? No, he would say, “I found one OF Ed's legs”.
Hi Mike,A) If they were searching the woods looking for the body and someone
found a leg sticking out of the mud, he would definitely shout: here HE is!
Hi Mike,Hey, what wrong with you guys, that leg is of him!
Why are you incorrectly telling me you found him!HA Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:35) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:42) THE REAL QUESTION is… “The Son can do nothing of himself”
How does this point (↑) in John 5:24 square with this point (↓) in John 15:20
“The Word that I said unto you”Jesus cannot be “The Word” in John 15:20, because that would nullify John 5:24.
In more term then: if “The Word” is not Jesus, then why do you say he is?
Please keep the focus of your explanation only on “only” these two points.
Yes Ed. I got the point the first time and clearly answered it.(1)You think because the word “word” is used as being the “words God spoke” then it must ALWAYS mean only that.
(2) I'm telling you that “word of God” can mean either God's words that He spoke…………OR………Jesus Christ, who has the title of “Word of God” because he is God's spokesman.
(3)Jesus speaks about his “word” in 5:24. Is Jesus saying “my word” as in “take my word for it”, or is their another “being” who is “the Word of Jesus”?
Hi Mike,1) When Jesus says God's words are life,
should we always assume this to be true?2) I'm telling you that “The Word” of God can either mean God's “HolySpirit” or “The Bible”.
3) Was it not the “HolySpirit” that sent Jesus? (Acts 10:36-37 / Luke 4:14)
When I give you Bible references, do you even take the time to look them up?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:44) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:43) 1) Does not “The Bible” credit The HolySpirit for the conception?
2) Does not “The Bible” call the “HolySpirit” God in Acts 5:4?
3) Does not “The Bible” call the result of Mary's conception “The Son of God” in Luke 1:35?
If these three points are all true, then why do you say No?
1. NO! God impregnated Mary BY MEANS of His Holy Spirit. God is Jesus' Father, not the Spirit OF God.2. No. By lying to the Spirit of God, which communicates back and forth between us and God, you are in the same instance lying to God, who is receiving that lie as fast as you are telling it. Why do you ignore verse 9 Ed? Verse 9 CLEARLY points out what is meant by saying they lied to “the Spirit OF God”.
3. Yes Ed. So if it said “God's penis” instead of God's Holy Spirit, would you think God was Jesus' Father……..or only His “penis”?
4. Ed, my patience with you is wearing thin. You started off with some easy to understand misconceptions. But after I CLEARLY and SCRIPTURALLY show you things that make what you think unscriptural, you just start playing around.
5. Show you are still serious about this discussion by DIRECTLY addressing my three answers above. That means no diversions or added scripture for right now. ONLY answer to the scriptures involved above.
mike
Hi Mike,1) Then you admit that the HolySpirit is God; right?
2) So you admit then that the Spirit of God is God; right?
Which was with the Father in the beginning; right? (John 1:1)
Are you going to start juggling words around again to deny this?3) You mean God's finger, don't you?
4) Do you have anger issues? Perhaps you need to kill your ego?
5) You seem to keep rejecting the answers I give you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,09:42) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 31 2010,20:55) Logos is Jesus is God is spirit is the word, is the truth is life is good is all and in all. All is God except mans created evil.
Hi Tim,God is Holy, right? Are you saying everything except man's created evil is “Holy”?
Is every lamb in the world “Holy”? If so, then why were only some of them to be accepted as sacrifices to God?
Are all clothes “Holy”? For God gave explicite instructions for the priestly clothes to remain in the temple so they didn't accidently touch anything unholy………because only those particular clothes were “Holy”.
Just some thoughts.peace and love,
mike
Hey Mike: Could you give me a definition of what Holy means?I've never heard of a holy animal. What would that mean?
What god are you following? The true God of the new testament, our father as revealed by Jesus who gave us the truth gave us no such instructions.
Why would you choose to follow the old way that was in sin and darkness? The two covenants don't mix. Either accept the new way of spirit/words of Jesus by faith or remain in the old law and temple worship with works, rituals and sacrifices for cleanliness.
Bless you, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 05 2010,03:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,09:42) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 31 2010,20:55) Logos is Jesus is God is spirit is the word, is the truth is life is good is all and in all. All is God except mans created evil.
Hi Tim,God is Holy, right? Are you saying everything except man's created evil is “Holy”?
Is every lamb in the world “Holy”? If so, then why were only some of them to be accepted as sacrifices to God?
Are all clothes “Holy”? For God gave explicite instructions for the priestly clothes to remain in the temple so they didn't accidently touch anything unholy………because only those particular clothes were “Holy”.
Just some thoughts.peace and love,
mike
Hey Mike: Could you give me a definition of what Holy means?I've never heard of a holy animal. What would that mean?
What god are you following? The true God of the new testament, our father as revealed by Jesus who gave us the truth gave us no such instructions.
Why would you choose to follow the old way that was in sin and darkness? The two covenants don't mix. Either accept the new way of spirit/words of Jesus by faith or remain in the old law and temple worship with works, rituals and sacrifices for cleanliness.
Bless you, TK
tkmay be this will help you
Lev 6:15 The priest is to take a handful of fine flour and oil, together with all the incense on the grain offering, and burn the memorial portion on the altar as an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
Lev 6:17 It must not be baked with yeast; I have given it as their share of the offerings made to me by fire. Like the sin offering and the guilt offering, it is most holy.
Lev 6:20 “This is the offering Aaron and his sons are to bring to the LORD on the day he is anointed: a tenth of an ephah of fine flour as a regular grain offering, half of it in the morning and half in the evening.
Lev 6:21 Prepare it with oil on a griddle; bring it well-mixed and present the grain offering broken in pieces as an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
Lev 6:23 Every grain offering of a priest shall be burned completely; it must not be eaten.”
Lev 6:25 “Say to Aaron and his sons: ‘These are the regulations for the sin offering: The sin offering is to be slaughtered before the LORD in the place the burnt offering is slaughtered; it is most holy.hope it does
Pierre
Hi Tim,
Sin is an action, not just merely a thought!
Why do ‘you’ believe the exact opposite?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:46) Just answer this one scripture Ed. The rest is useless chatter if you can't explain this one scripture. Luke 11:13
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,So me explaining things to you after you ask is only useless chatter to you?
Do you expect your questions to cause me to stumble? (Rom.14:21)
If you ask God, will he give you “the finger”? (Luke 11:20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,04:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:46) Just answer this one scripture Ed. The rest is useless chatter if you can't explain this one scripture. Luke 11:13
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,So me explaining things to you after you ask is only useless chatter to you?
Do you expect your questions to cause me to stumble? (Rom.14:21)
If you ask God, will he give you “the finger”? (Luke 11:20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhy you just don't answer the question ??
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2010,22:13) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,04:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:46) Just answer this one scripture Ed. The rest is useless chatter if you can't explain this one scripture. Luke 11:13
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,So me explaining things to you after you ask is only useless chatter to you?
Do you expect your questions to cause me to stumble? (Rom.14:21)
If you ask God, will he give you “the finger”? (Luke 11:20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhy you just don't answer the question ??
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,I did! Both me and Mike agree that the “HolySpirit” is “the finger” of God!
Luke 11:20 But if I with “the finger” of God cast out devils,
no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.“And God himself” (I say) shall tabernacle inside of us,
but Mike is only going to get “the finger” of God!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2010,22:13) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,04:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:46) Just answer this one scripture Ed. The rest is useless chatter if you can't explain this one scripture. Luke 11:13
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,So me explaining things to you after you ask is only useless chatter to you?
Do you expect your questions to cause me to stumble? (Rom.14:21)
If you ask God, will he give you “the finger”? (Luke 11:20)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhy you just don't answer the question ??
Pierre
Hi Terraricca,I did! Both me and Mike agree that the “HolySpirit” is “the finger” of God!
Luke 11:20 But if I with “the finger” of God cast out devils,
no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.“And God himself” (I say) shall tabernacle inside us all,
but Mike is only going to get “the finger” of God!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Terraricca,
Mike will get all of God as well!
God bless
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTO All…………..God is not a person, GOD is SPIRIT, Spirit is intellect (mind) There is a Mind of GOD that can dwell in us just as it did Jesus. “LET THIS “MIND” BE (IN) YOU THAT WAS (IN) JESUS CHRIST OUR Lord” . Again “IF THIS MIND DWELL (IN) YOU (IT) SHALL(ALSO) QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES. Like it quickened (brought back to life) Jesus BODY. There (ARE) SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD. Each has a special effect, We were given what is called the (EARNEST OF THE SPIRIT) which is the Spirit (intellect) of TRUTH. This gives us the ability to be cognate of truth, and keeps us from being decieved. “THE SPIRIT (of truth) BOTH ACCUSES US AND DEFENDS US. It is the guidance system of all true believers. “Brethern you have no need of a teacher for the Spirit it self will teach you all things” .
peace and love to you all…………………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,21:29) Hi Tim, Sin is an action, not just merely a thought!
Why do ‘you’ believe the exact opposite?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed: I have never found a list of sins in the Bible.Please give me the list of sins that would condemn me before God and where it is found in the Bible(New testament)!
Thoughts always come to mind before an action takes place. Action is the manifestation of the thoughts that were being incubated.
Thanks, TK
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