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Q4.  God himself told Neb that his kingdom is taken off him, and his dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field.  Is this true or a lie?

What is a dwelling?
What are beasts of the field?

Now work it out and put it together
dwelling with the beasts of the field.
Does this mean to sleep in a warm bed with a nice woman?

and eating grass like oxen.  Did God say this yes or no?
Where?  prove it?

So what does eating grass like an oxen mean?  Does it mean to have roast beef with mash potatoes?  Yes or no?

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Q5. So when God told King Neb that all this would happen to him, do you think that God was lying? or was God telling the truth. Was it really going to happen just as God said?

Yes or no.
Where does it say that it came true,
prove it?

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Q6  So how do you think king Neb lost his power?  Did God magically pick him up and put him in the field?  Made him disappear from men?  

Yes or no?,

Is that how our mighty God does things when he brings the high ones low?

Q7  So how do you think King Neb got into the field?

Q8  So when the seven years were fulfilled, did King Neb realise that all is in God's power?

Yes or No?
Where does it say that?
prove it?

Q7  Did anyone conquer Babylon whilst Neb was acting like an animal for seven years, eating grass, and lying with the beasts of the field?

Yes or No.

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Q7 should be Q9.

Q10.  Did God give back king Neb's kingdom to him?
Who was ruling Neb's kingdom whilst he was away?
Was it conquered by Medo-Persia already?
or was it still Babylon?

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Q7 should be Q9. Q10.  Did God give back king Neb's kingdom to him? Who was ruling Neb's kingdom whilst he was away? Was it conquered by Medo-Persia already? or was it still Babylon?

This should keep you busy for a while.

You have a lot of homework to do Mr expert

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Sorry Pierre

I didn't mean to bombard you with all those questions.
Just answer them slowly. One a day if you like.

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journey42,Mar. wrote: [/quote] Sorry Pierre I didn't mean to bombard you with all those questions. Just answer them slowly.  One a day if you like.

j42

all your question are not answering my single question i have asked ;

and so all repetition of the story of the dream does not or will not answer my question ,

you have given me an answer and i have ask you if you believe that the story you have given me is the truth

regarding my original question; Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries!

what do you understand from this

you have define the enemies and the adversaries in your story ;now i ask you if that is the truth

do not get sarcastic with me ,because of my questions to you

even with my 50 times reading the book of Daniel I still need much understanding ,so all your useless questions will not be answered because they are all answered by reading the entire story ,

so please answer my questions ,

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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 23 2013,20:32) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 23 2013,21:29) Sorry Pierre I didn't mean to bombard you with all those questions. Just answer them slowly.  One a day if you like. j42 all your question are not answering my single question i have asked ; and so all repetition of the story of the dream does not or will not answer my question , you have given me an answer and i have ask you if you believe that the story you have given me is the truth regarding my original question; Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries! what do you understand from this you have define the enemies and the adversaries in your story ;now i ask you if that is the truth do not get sarcastic with me ,because of my questions to you even with my 50 times reading the book of Daniel I still need much understanding ,so all your useless questions will not be answered because they are all answered by reading the entire story , so please answer my questions ,

To the moderators.

Can I get a witness here that I have answered his question.

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Pierre

My questions are simple straight forward.
If you answer them, then you have your answer,
for all the answers are there in the scriptures.
and you will see that.

But like king Neb, you have pride.
You do not like my answer because I answered according to the truth.

You interpret differently, and don't want to look like a fool, so you are dodging my questions.

YOU HAVE TAKEN ME TO THE HOT SEAT PIERRE, AND I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ACCORDING TO THE WORDING OF THE KJV. THE WORDING IN YOUR BIBLE IS NOT ACCURATE, THEREFORE CANNOT BE TRANSLATED CORRECTLY. WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE BEEN READING DANIEL FOR 50 YEARS AND ARE STILL CONFUSED.

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journey42,Mar. wrote: [/quote] Pierre My questions are simple straight forward. If you answer them, then you have your answer, for all the answers are there in the scriptures. and you will see that. But like king Neb, you have pride. You do not like my answer because I answered according to the truth. You interpret differently, and don't want to look like a fool, so you are dodging my questions. YOU HAVE TAKEN ME TO THE HOT SEAT PIERRE, AND I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ACCORDING TO THE WORDING OF THE KJV.  THE WORDING IN YOUR BIBLE IS NOT ACCURATE, THEREFORE CANNOT BE TRANSLATED CORRECTLY.  WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE BEEN READING DANIEL FOR 50 YEARS AND ARE STILL CONFUSED.

J42

You are “du déjà vu ” this is French for “that as been already seen”

Of cause YOU CAN NOT BE WRONG ,YOU HAVE THE KJV THAT FELL DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND WRITTEN BY THE FINGER OF GOD,AND CAN BE TRUSTED ,

ALL PEOPLE THAT DO NOT POSSESS THE KJV DO NOT HAVE THE TRUTH

Is that your message J42

If I do not agree with you I AM WRONG BECAUSE I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES,

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I HAVE IN YOUR VIEW ALL THE PROBLEMS AND YOU ARE THE PERFECT ONE ,THE GODLY ONE,THE POSSESSER OF THE TRUTH ,

WELL IN THIS CASE I AM CONFUSE IN MY UNDERSTANDING,BECAUSE I HAVE QUOTED YOU THE KJV OF DANIEL RELATED TO MY QUESTION,

YOU REALY MUST THINK THAT I AM SINIL OR CHILDISH MINDED PERSON ,TO TELL ME WHAT YOU SAYING,

SO OUR CONVERSATION IS OVER ,BECAUSE OF YOUR PERFECTION AND THE POSSESSION OF THE ONLY TRUTH THERE IS ,I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU CAN NOT ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTIONS ,

BUT YOU TOLD ME YOU HAVE DONE IT,BUT I CAN NOT SEE IT ,

SO I AM NOW ALSO SPIRITUALLY BLIND,

SO AS IT STANDS NOW ,YOU ARE RIGHT AND I AM DEFFINETLY WRONG,

HO,I FORGOT ,YOU HAVE DETECTED “EGO ,ON MY SIDE,AND PRIDE,
AND A COVERUP SCEAME NOT TO SHOW MY FOOLISHNESS ,

YEAH ,AND WHAT NOT .???

You REALY sound like a Pharisees

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terraricca,Mar. wrote:

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WELL IN THIS CASE I AM CONFUSE IN MY UNDERSTANDING,BECAUSE I HAVE QUOTED YOU THE KJV OF DANIEL RELATED TO MY QUESTION,

You quoted here

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J42 Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries!

then you quoted here

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thanks ;here is it again ; Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries!

and you quoted here too.

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regarding my original question; Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries!

Pierre,
Where is your KJV Version that you said you quoted me?

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Your Version
Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries!

KJV
My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.

God gave Daniel the interpretation, and he understood it.
If Daniel said,
“My Lord, IF ONLY the dream applied to your enemies and it's meaning to your adversaries”,
then this implies that Daniel is not happy with God's will.  If only your dream applied to your enemies means, if only there was a chance?,

But Daniel did understand the interpretation, and he told the king straight.  The dream is about them that hate you, and the interpretation to your enemies.
In other words, this dream is concerning those that hate you, your enemies.  He's telling the king, this is what it interprets. He's telling him straight.  It is about his enemies, not if only.

There is no way in the world that I could interpret scripture from your version of the bible.  I would be lost.  This is why I typed it out for you in the KJV version, to show you the difference in wording, and how something can not make sense, and the other does.  Daniel is a prophet.  He states it like it is, no mucking around.

You asked me the first time what I made of that scripture?,
I explained in detail leading up to my answer

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Therefore those that hated him, would be the poor, and also those who were under his authority.

then you answer

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J42 you did not answer my question ,I have already quoted all those scriptures ,and know what it says ,but please answer my question thanks ;here is it again ; Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries! what do you understand from this ??

So I answered

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I have answered your question in DETAIL. His enemies are THE POOR, and those of his KINGDOM.  They are the ones that hated him (KING NEB)

So this is what I understand from this.  This is my answer to you.

Then I clarified myself again, just to be sure you understood that I was answering you

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The dream concerns those that hate thee, your enemies.  They are the ones that will thrust you out of your own kingdom.  Those of your own kingdom will do this to you. King Neb was not thrust out by another kingdom, but by his own kingdom.  The kingdom of Babylon still continued for those seven years, but not with King Neb as their leader.  They kicked him out into the cold, with not even a bed to sleep on.  I can't explain it any simpler.  His enemies were of his own kingdom.  Everyone included.

Then you answer me this

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but you did not explain anything ,you just assume that it as to be this way ,and I am guessing of the origin of your why would his enemies be from his own empire when during and after the seven years of folly he regain it like nothing ever happen ?????

So I answered you again, a long reply explaining.  
Who else would his enemies be Pierre?  Babylon was not conquered by anyone during this time, so his enemies would not be of another kingdom….but that of his own.  Babylon was still ruling, and when God forgave him, he sat on his own throne again.

and you give me this

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J42 I have read the book of  Daniel more than 50 times ,how many times did you have read it

This is where I saw your pride.  What kind of an answer is this.  This is a debate.  I don't care if you have read it 150 times, it is irrelevant to this debate.  I am the one explaining to you what I understand, and you have not explained anything of your understanding to me.  
I have laid all my cards on the table,
and you have held yours close to your chest.  
How can I debate, when you don't show your cards.  
This is not fair.  You put me here on the hot seat in the first place,
and what for?  
You still havn't answered me that yet either.
Be fair Pierre.
You keep dipping out on me all the time.
Finish what you started.

I told you, I don't want to be brothers at war,
but prideful comments like that make it look like you think you are the one that knows it all,
and all you've done is accuse me of it.

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Your Version Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries! KJV My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies. God gave Daniel the interpretation, and he understood it. If Daniel said, “My Lord, IF ONLY the dream applied to your enemies and it's meaning to your adversaries”, then this implies that Daniel is not happy with God's will. If only your dream applied to your enemies means, if only there was a chance?, But Daniel did understand the interpretation, and he told the king straight. The dream is about them that hate you, and the interpretation to your enemies. In other words, this dream is concerning those that hate you, your enemies. He's telling the king, this is what it interprets. He's telling him straight. It is about his enemies, not if only. There is no way in the world that I could interpret scripture from your version of the bible. I would be lost. This is why I typed it out for you in the KJV version, to show you the difference in wording, and how something can not make sense, and the other does. Daniel is a prophet. He states it like it is, no mucking around.

yes this is the answer to my question ,thank you ,

I will get back to you later

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J42

1)My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee,

Da 4:4 I, Nebuchadnezzar, was at home in my palace, contented and prosperous.
Da 4:5 I had a dream that made me afraid. As I was lying in my bed, the images and visions that passed through my mind terrified me.

Da 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
Da 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
Da 4:12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.
Da 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven;
Da 4:14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches:
Da 4:15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth:
Da 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
Da 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies.

Da 4:20 The tree you saw, which grew large and strong, with its top touching the sky, visible to the whole earth,
Da 4:21 with beautiful leaves and abundant fruit, providing food for all, giving shelter to the beasts of the field, and having nesting places in its branches for the birds of the air—
Da 4:22 you, O king, are that tree! You have become great and strong; your greatness has grown until it reaches the sky, and your dominion extends to distant parts of the earth.
Da 4:23 “You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.’
Da 4:24 “This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree the Most High has issued against my lord the king:
Da 4:25 You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like cattle and be drenched with the dew of heaven. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes.
Da 4:26 The command to leave the stump of the tree with its roots means that your kingdom will be restored to you when you acknowledge that Heaven rules.
Da 4:27 Therefore, O king, be pleased to accept my advice: Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.”

do you really believe that King Nebu was not a figure of the real enemy of men

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J42 1)My lord, the dream be to them that hate thee, Da 4:4 I, Nebuchadnezzar, was at home in my palace, contented and prosperous. Da 4:5 I had a dream that made me afraid. As I was lying in my bed, the images and visions that passed through my mind terrified me. Da 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. Da 4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth: Da 4:12 The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it. Da 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; Da 4:14 He cried aloud, and said thus, Hew down the tree, and cut off his branches, shake off his leaves, and scatter his fruit: let the beasts get away from under it, and the fowls from his branches: Da 4:15 Nevertheless leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts in the grass of the earth: Da 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him. Da 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. and the interpretation thereof to thine enemies. Da 4:20 The tree you saw, which grew large and strong, with its top touching the sky, visible to the whole earth, Da 4:21 with beautiful leaves and abundant fruit, providing food for all, giving shelter to the beasts of the field, and having nesting places in its branches for the birds of the air— Da 4:22 you, O king, are that tree! You have become great and strong; your greatness has grown until it reaches the sky, and your dominion extends to distant parts of the earth. Da 4:23 “You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.’ Da 4:24 “This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree the Most High has issued against my lord the king: Da 4:25 You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like cattle and be drenched with the dew of heaven. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes. Da 4:26 The command to leave the stump of the tree with its roots means that your kingdom will be restored to you when you acknowledge that Heaven rules. Da 4:27 Therefore, O king, be pleased to accept my advice: Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue.” do you really believe that King Nebu was not a figure of the real enemy of men

Pierre,

When King Neb was at his height of glory, men would of feared him. Who knows who liked him and who didn't? If he was oppressing the poor, then I would guess they did not like him, but what could they do? They would of been his silent enemies, and helpless…….But those in power working under him must of connived a way to oust him. I don't know who it was or how? It could of even been his son. God didn't say how it happened. But whoever it was, and probably many, did it because God changed their hearts towards their king, and they had the backing of the people, therefore they turned into his enemies.

And we know that Medo-Persia conquered Babylon, but that wasn't until after king Neb was restored to his throne, was blessed by God, then later handed it down to his son.

There is no record of another kingdom taking control of Babylon for seven years, then Neb taking it back again. When Babylon was finished, it was finished for good.

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J42

King Nabu, was a figure for the real power behind him ,Satan ,Babylone was the top of the line in the world powers He was the Golden head from there on,it was down hill ,

King Nabu, was manipulated to go where God wanted him to go,

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J42 King Nabu, was a figure for the real power behind him ,Satan ,Babylone was the top of the line in the world powers He was the Golden head from there on,it was down hill , King Nabu, was manipulated to go where God wanted him to go,

Yes, when he acted wickedly, satan would of been there.

How angry Satan must of been when king Neb finally humbled himself before God and was forgiven.

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How angry Satan must of been when king Neb finally humbled himself before God and was forgiven.

Nabu learn to respect the God of Daniel but he did not submit himself to him, Satan ad no fear that would end his own ways,

understand that what happen to Nabu was only known to but a few ,and they themselves kept it secret,

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but that wasn't until after king Neb was restored to his throne, was blessed by God, then later

how was he bless more than to have Daniel and his three companions ?

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Nabu learn to respect the God of Daniel but he did not submit himself to him, Satan ad no fear that would end his own ways, understand that what happen to Nabu was only known to but a few ,and they themselves kept it secret,

Pierre

king Neb speaking
Daniel 5:34   And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honored him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation.

Daniel 5:35   And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Daniel 5:36   At the same time my reason returned unto me: and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honor and brightness returned unto me; and my counselors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.

King Neb realised the power is all in God's hand.  He humbled himself before God, praised him and gave honor to him.  God then restored the kingdom back to him.  This was a blessing to him.  He knows this now.  He does have a happy ending.  Not his son though.

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