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Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:34) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:21) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,01:46) Okay Ed. But now that you've directly answered jammin's question with “#2”, let's see where the discussion goes from here.
jammin, Ed answered #2, so now what was the point you were trying to make with that question?
thanks mike.edj, now you answered number 2.
therefore you agree that you do not exist in the form of GOD or you are not GOD by nature BUT YOU MIGHT BE PARTAKERS BY DIVINE NATURE.. meaning, you can participate in the “LIFE OF GOD”thank you for that answer.
Hi Jammin,How can you say I agree to something,
when I don't even know what you mean?
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?Since I've put on the “New Man”, the divine nature
which you may partake of someday reflects my being.Your misconceptions do not serve you well.
here's what Phil 2:5-6 really says…2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.i do not need your further explanation LOL
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:50) you are not all powerful………..
Nor is Jesus:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of………….the LORD his God.If Jesus was all-powerful, he would not be ruling in the strength of his God, but in his OWN strength.
Nor does God Most High have a God of his own.
jammin, your unscriptural doctrine seems to be based in nonsense.
let the bible speak
Revelation 1:88 The Lord God says, `I am the First and the Last. I am the beginning and the ending. I live now. I always have lived, and I will come again. I have all power.'
Hebrews 1:8
8 But here is what God says about his Son: `O God, you will sit and rule for ever. You will rule in the right way.
micah 5.4 did not say that Christ is not all powerful. that is just your imagination LOL
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:04) Absolutely I believe that Jesus Christ became flesh and dwelled among mankind with the glory of the only begotten Son of God that he was. Will you now address my “Micah 5:4” post?
thnk you for your answer.
then micah 5.2 is not telling us that he is not eternal but referring to the childQuote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:34) you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj. i do not need your further explanation LOL
Hi Jammin,Your Choice #1 is not precluded by your choice #2, is that point not clear to you yet?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:06) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:34) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:21) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,01:46) Okay Ed. But now that you've directly answered jammin's question with “#2”, let's see where the discussion goes from here.
jammin, Ed answered #2, so now what was the point you were trying to make with that question?
thanks mike.edj, now you answered number 2.
therefore you agree that you do not exist in the form of GOD or you are not GOD by nature BUT YOU MIGHT BE PARTAKERS BY DIVINE NATURE.. meaning, you can participate in the “LIFE OF GOD”thank you for that answer.
Hi Jammin,How can you say I agree to something,
when I don't even know what you mean?
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?Since I've put on the “New Man”, the divine nature
which you may partake of someday reflects my being.Your misconceptions do not serve you well.
here's what Phil 2:5-6 really says…2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.i do not need your further explanation LOL
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?
let the bible answer your question about phil 2.6
Philippians 2:6New Living Translation (NLT)
6 Though he was God,[a]
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:50) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:34) you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.
Really? That's it?
Ed chose the scriptural answer to your question. I was expecting that you were somehow going to use his answer as “proof” that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
What a let down.
Hi Mike,I told you it was meant as an attempt to disqualify his choice #1,
and therefore a 'loaded question'; now will you admit I was right?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:50) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:34) you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.
Really? That's it?Ed chose the scriptural answer to your question. I was expecting that you were somehow going to use his answer as “proof” that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
What a let down.
Hi Mike,I told you it was meant as an attempt to disqualify his choice #1,
and therefore a 'loaded question'; now will you admit I was right?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
i have answer for that. pls back read.
or you want me to post it again?i said, 2 pet 1.4 is not referring that you wil be God but a participation in the life of God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:59) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:46) His family tree is ancient and distinguished.
Lord have mercy, jammin.Are faulty, man-made, butcherings of scripture truly what you base your scriptural understandings upon?
Micah 5:2 says NOTHING about any “family tree”; and to base your understanding upon such frivolous, doctored translations is to cheat yourself of a true understanding of God's word. I feel sorry for you that you miss so much of God's truth by following the words of men who have ALTERED the scriptures.
Hi Mike and Jammin,Jesus family tree only goes back one generation,
as God's HolySpirit is Jesus birth Father.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:10) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,04:06) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:34) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:21) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,01:46) Okay Ed. But now that you've directly answered jammin's question with “#2”, let's see where the discussion goes from here.
jammin, Ed answered #2, so now what was the point you were trying to make with that question?
thanks mike.edj, now you answered number 2.
therefore you agree that you do not exist in the form of GOD or you are not GOD by nature BUT YOU MIGHT BE PARTAKERS BY DIVINE NATURE.. meaning, you can participate in the “LIFE OF GOD”thank you for that answer.
Hi Jammin,How can you say I agree to something,
when I don't even know what you mean?
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?Since I've put on the “New Man”, the divine nature
which you may partake of someday reflects my being.Your misconceptions do not serve you well.
here's what Phil 2:5-6 really says…2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.God bless
Ed J
you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.i do not need your further explanation LOL
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?
let the bible answer your question about phil 2.6
Philippians 2:6New Living Translation (NLT)
6 Though he was God,[a]
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
Hi Jammin,That's NOT what Phil.2:6 says; but this is…
2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgLOL
study greek boy. you do not understand that greek text LOL
morphe means form or nature. the verse says that he is GOD!
study greek boy LOL
Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,11:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:50) you are not all powerful………..
Nor is Jesus:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of………….the LORD his God.If Jesus was all-powerful, he would not be ruling in the strength of his God, but in his OWN strength.
Nor does God Most High have a God of his own.
jammin, your unscriptural doctrine seems to be based in nonsense.
let the bible speak
Revelation 1:88 The Lord God says, `I am the First and the Last. I am the beginning and the ending. I live now. I always have lived, and I will come again. I have all power.'
Hebrews 1:8
8 But here is what God says about his Son: `O God, you will sit and rule for ever. You will rule in the right way.
micah 5.4 did not say that Christ is not all powerful. that is just your imagination LOL
Don't be a grasshopper, jammin.The verse is Micah 5:4. And the verse says that Jesus will rule in the strength of Jehovah, HIS GOD.
Would someone who is all powerful have the need to rule in the strength of HIS OWN GOD?
(Rev 1:8 is about Jehovah, and Heb 1:8 – even translated the way you posted it – only teaches that Jesus is called a god. But Jesus' own God already foretold that would happen in Is 9:6 anyway, right?)
Just deal with Micah 5:4 for now, jammin. Tell me why someone who is all powerful would:
A. Have a God of his own
B. Have to rule in the strength of his God instead of in his own strength.Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:24) LOL study greek boy. you do not understand that greek text LOL
morphe means form or nature. the verse says that he is GOD!
study greek boy LOL
No it doesn't.Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,11:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:50) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:34) you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.
Really? That's it?Ed chose the scriptural answer to your question. I was expecting that you were somehow going to use his answer as “proof” that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
What a let down.
Hi Mike,I told you it was meant as an attempt to disqualify his choice #1,
and therefore a 'loaded question'; now will you admit I was right?God bless
Ed J
Ed,It was not a loaded question, but a scriptural one. jammin pretended that this verse/question somehow was going to prove that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
You, by avoiding the question for weeks, gave credence to his implication because your avoidance made it seem like jammin DID have a point to make, and that you KNEW it, and that that is why you wouldn't answer.
Had you just answered with the scriptural truth of the matter the first time he asked the question, we would have all seen that jammin really had nowhere to go with his imagined point weeks ago.
What has happened since you answered truthfully, Ed? Has jammin been able to “trap” you in some unscriptural corner or something? Has he been able to use your answer as proof that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of? Or has he just fizzled out now that you answered?
Always answer with your best understanding of scriptural truth Ed. Do that, and you'll have nothing to fear.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:47) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,11:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:50) you are not all powerful………..
Nor is Jesus:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of………….the LORD his God.If Jesus was all-powerful, he would not be ruling in the strength of his God, but in his OWN strength.
Nor does God Most High have a God of his own.
jammin, your unscriptural doctrine seems to be based in nonsense.
let the bible speak
Revelation 1:88 The Lord God says, `I am the First and the Last. I am the beginning and the ending. I live now. I always have lived, and I will come again. I have all power.'
Hebrews 1:8
8 But here is what God says about his Son: `O God, you will sit and rule for ever. You will rule in the right way.
micah 5.4 did not say that Christ is not all powerful. that is just your imagination LOL
Don't be a grasshopper, jammin.The verse is Micah 5:4. And the verse says that Jesus will rule in the strength of Jehovah, HIS GOD.
Would someone who is all powerful have the need to rule in the strength of HIS OWN GOD?
(Rev 1:8 is about Jehovah, and Heb 1:8 – even translated the way you posted it – only teaches that Jesus is called a god. But Jesus' own God already foretold that would happen in Is 9:6 anyway, right?)
Just deal with Micah 5:4 for now, jammin. Tell me why someone who is all powerful would:
A. Have a God of his own
B. Have to rule in the strength of his God instead of in his own strength.
i have already answered your questionGod said to his son – your throne O God
also, micah 5.4 did not say that christ is not all powerful.
In the strength of the Lord – He, who feedeth them with divine tenderness, shall also have divine might, His Father's and His own, to protect them; as He saith, “My sheep hear My Voice, and I know them and they follow Me, neither shall any man pluck them out of My Hand. My Father Which gave them Me is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's Hand. I and My Father are One” John 10:27-30. With authority, it is said, “He commandeth even the unclean spirits and they come out” Luke 4:36. His feeding or teaching also was “with authority, and not as the scribes” Matthew 7:29Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:56) Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,11:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:50) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:34) you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.
Really? That's it?Ed chose the scriptural answer to your question. I was expecting that you were somehow going to use his answer as “proof” that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
What a let down.
Hi Mike,I told you it was meant as an attempt to disqualify his choice #1,
and therefore a 'loaded question'; now will you admit I was right?God bless
Ed J
Ed,It was not a loaded question, but a scriptural one. jammin pretended that this verse/question somehow was going to prove that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.
You, by avoiding the question for weeks, gave credence to his implication because your avoidance made it seem like jammin DID have a point to make, and that you KNEW it, and that that is why you wouldn't answer.
Had you just answered with the scriptural truth of the matter the first time he asked the question, we would have all seen that jammin really had nowhere to go with his imagined point weeks ago.
What has happened since you answered truthfully, Ed? Has jammin been able to “trap” you in some unscriptural corner or something? Has he been able to use your answer as proof that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of? Or has he just fizzled out now that you answered?
Always answer with your best understanding of scriptural truth Ed. Do that, and you'll have nothing to fear.
mike,phil 2.6 talks about that christ is really God.
he has the same nature as his father.
he is equal with God.morphe means form, outward appearance or nature. you should study greek mike
Hi Mike,
No, he believes that his choice #2 was a disassociation of choice #1; this is the point I was making! <– do you admit I was right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ May 14 2012,05:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:47) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,11:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:50) you are not all powerful………..
Nor is Jesus:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock
in the strength of………….the LORD his God.If Jesus was all-powerful, he would not be ruling in the strength of his God, but in his OWN strength.
Nor does God Most High have a God of his own.
jammin, your unscriptural doctrine seems to be based in nonsense.
let the bible speak
Revelation 1:88 The Lord God says, `I am the First and the Last. I am the beginning and the ending. I live now. I always have lived, and I will come again. I have all power.'
Hebrews 1:8
8 But here is what God says about his Son: `O God, you will sit and rule for ever. You will rule in the right way.
micah 5.4 did not say that Christ is not all powerful. that is just your imagination LOL
Don't be a grasshopper, jammin.The verse is Micah 5:4. And the verse says that Jesus will rule in the strength of Jehovah, HIS GOD.
Would someone who is all powerful have the need to rule in the strength of HIS OWN GOD?
(Rev 1:8 is about Jehovah, and Heb 1:8 – even translated the way you posted it – only teaches that Jesus is called a god. But Jesus' own God already foretold that would happen in Is 9:6 anyway, right?)
Just deal with Micah 5:4 for now, jammin. Tell me why someone who is all powerful would:
A. Have a God of his own
B. Have to rule in the strength of his God instead of in his own strength.
i have already answered your questionGod said to his son – your throne O God
also, micah 5.4 did not say that christ is not all powerful.
In the strength of the Lord – He, who feedeth them with divine tenderness, shall also have divine might, His Father's and His own, to protect them; as He saith, “My sheep hear My Voice, and I know them and they follow Me, neither shall any man pluck them out of My Hand. My Father Which gave them Me is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's Hand. I and My Father are One” John 10:27-30. With authority, it is said, “He commandeth even the unclean spirits and they come out” Luke 4:36. His feeding or teaching also was “with authority, and not as the scribes” Matthew 7:29
Hi Jammin,Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold,
a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.Who does John see sitting on the throne?
1. GOD
2. JesusPlease answer 1 or 2
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:34) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:21) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,01:46) Okay Ed. But now that you've directly answered jammin's question with “#2”, let's see where the discussion goes from here.
jammin, Ed answered #2, so now what was the point you were trying to make with that question?
thanks mike.edj, now you answered number 2.
therefore you agree that you do not exist in the form of GOD or you are not GOD by nature BUT YOU MIGHT BE PARTAKERS BY DIVINE NATURE.. meaning, you can participate in the “LIFE OF GOD”thank you for that answer.
Hi Jammin,How can you say I agree to something,
when I don't even know what you mean?
What does “GOD by Nature” even mean?Since I've put on the “New Man”, the divine nature
which you may partake of someday reflects my being.Your misconceptions do not serve you well.
here's what Phil 2:5-6 really says…2:5 τουτο γαρ φρονεισθω εν υμιν ο και εν χριστω ιησου
2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists, think it not robbery to be considered equal.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you chose number 2 and that is enough for me edj.i do not need your further explanation LOL
Then why did you say this?
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