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Hi miia,
I was glad to see that parachute open…wow! Anyway, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt especially when they boldly declare their faith in the LORD. Not only is the astronaut a Christian declaring his faith but also lived on the space station and sailed the seas in the navy. He must be courageous to be in the Navy for 30 years and faithful to serve his country for that long. He must be very smart to be an astronaut. He explained why there has to be a sphere and about orbitting it. This is not my specialty to know this stuff. My hats off to this guy in the video. Plus he has his family at the Creation Museum and the Ark exhibit. I discern in my spirit that he is not spreading a conspiracy of any kind.
I’m going with the many astronauts on this debate.
Take care,
LU
T8: So why is there water between me and Ruapehu. My guess is when you seriously zoom into a subject, all the horizontal lines stretch out and the lines between me and the volcano shrink to bring the subject closer.
You know what? In that photo I took of Superstition Mountain from 55 miles away, virtually all of the picture is the empty field right in front of me… which is nowhere close to even a hundredth of the 55 miles. So I think that happened with you. The coastline/water directly in front of you when you took the photo filled up most of the photo – even though the water was only a minute part of the 127 miles to the volcano.
Hey, we’re doing science! How wonderful.
Gene: Mike thousand of photos not even from Nasa, but others, they all confirm that the earth is round. You simply can’t get past that even if you ignor the exact calculation formula.
Why do you keep saying I’m ignoring the “exact calculation formula”? I keep on telling you that I’m using it, and even showing you how you can verify that for yourself. And I wasn’t going to get into NASA and the other “space” agencies just yet, because there’s still a lot I want to show you guys before we open that can of worms. But since you keep insisting, I just now put together a little 3 minute video so you have an idea of what you’re even talking about. Enjoy…
You know what? In that photo I took of Superstition Mountain from 55 miles away, virtually all of the picture is the empty field right in front of me… which is nowhere close to even a hundredth of the 55 miles. So I think that happened with you. The coastline/water directly in front of you when you took the photo filled up most of the photo – even though the water was only a minute part of the 127 miles to the volcano.
It does make sense to me now. If you are magnifying things say by 20 times, that the foreground magnified would be a very small part of it but fill up much of the view.
As you zoom in on the subject, the immediate foreground has to shrink, but fill out the photo in area to compensate for the serious zoom.
Regardless, there are only 2 options. Taranaki or Ruapehu as nothing else gets snow from that view and it definitely isn’t Taranaki due to the shape and it matches Ruapehu exactly. Case closed in my view.
There is a mountain range further to the right, but that is not in the frame and I don’t think you can even see it from there. Regardless, it is too far right and considerably right compared to Ruapehu.
T8: I can neither prove the Earth is a sphere or a flat disc on my own. What I do have like everyone else is the weight of indirect evidence.
You and I are in no position to verify whether the earth is a flat disc or a sphere. But what we can verify is that it is not a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference. In fact, you, I, and millions of others already have done that simply by taking photos. Because if the earth were a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference, the formula for its curvature is 8 inches per mile squared. The same formula your Discovery Channel video alluded to when they said the laser hit 6 feet higher when the boat was 3 miles away, ie: 3 x 3 x 8 = 72 inches, or 6 feet. Their results “confirmed” exactly what they were supposed to confirm – given a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference. Of course pointing a laser at a boat that is flopping up and down on waves is not a very scientific way to go about it – which, I imagine, is precisely why they did it that way. No, a real laser test will have a leveled laser on one end, and a FIXED target on the other. Heck, you don’t even need a laser. A flashlight will do just fine for such a short test, as this 7 mile laser test shows…
The last 10-12 minutes are a fantastic testimonial of his Christian faith, so if you only want to watch the setup, the test, and the results, it will take about 12-15 minutes. And there are hundreds of similar tests just like this that curious people are doing themselves, and uploading to YouTube. Anyway, the point is that regular people like you and me with our photos, and this regular guy with his laser experiment, can and have been verifying that the earth is NOT a sphere with a 25,000 mile circumference. It may still be a sphere, but it would have to be a MUCH larger one than what we’ve been told. Or it could be a flat plane.
Another thing regular people like you and I can verify is that the moon sometimes eclipses from the top – which is impossible if the earth is what’s causing the shadow. There have also been dozens of documented occasions through the years where a lunar eclipse occurs when both the sun and moon are visible in the sky. We had one on December 10th, 2011, and another on October 8th, 2014. Look it up.
We can also verify that full moons occur during the daytime, which means the moon is its own light, and not merely reflecting the sun’s light. Of course this can also be tested other ways, such as using a digital thermometer on a night with a bright moon. Put it in direct moonlight and record the temperature. Then put it in a place shaded from the moonlight, and notice that the temperature goes up… sometimes by as much as 10 degrees. The direct moonlight is colder than the non-lit areas – completely opposite of the sun.
So while we can’t verify the earth is a huge flat plane, we are able to easily verify that our world isn’t anything like what they’ve told us.
T8: I posted a couple of videos showing the Antarctica and a base there…
Now that’s an example of something we can’t verify. Yes, you can take a guided tour to a few chosen locations right on the very edge of Antarctica. But you cannot go down there to explore in your own boat or plane. You’ can’t even go beyond 60 degrees south latitude on your own. There is much more to say on that subject, but it’ll have to wait. Or any of you can do your own research into it (or anything else I’ve been saying) – which is exactly what I was hoping you would do when I started this thread. Don’t take my word for any of this… check it out yourself.
T8: This is not absolute proof Mike, because this can be faked. But ask yourself why fake this?
Too many reasons to go into right now, but let me just remind you that NASA receives 52 million dollars of US taxpayer money… EVERY SINGLE DAY! That is a powerful reason to bend over backwards to keep the deception. Also know that the entire worldwide mainstream media (including Discovery Channel) is owned by 5 entities – who themselves are all heavily indebted to the Rothschilds. And I already told you the ultimate reason, which is to hide God.
T8: And these tests could easily be replicated by Flat Earthers.
They have been, and much more scientifically I might add.
T8: This would be the perfect video to debunk for them, surely.
Already been done.
T8: The video above pointed me to this website for the calculation. See the video about this calculation method if you have any questions.
I would love to talk about Mick West and his Metabunk site. So glad you brought it up. I have to log off pretty soon tonight, and addressing that will take some time. I’ll try to get to it tomorrow if I can. If not, don’t worry because this is one of my favorite subjects. I won’t leave you hanging.
T8: I took this video of the moon on 4 Dec 2017.
My question is this, if the moon looks like that, why can’t the Earth look a similar shape from the moon?
No reason at all. It most certainly could look like that. But then the observational evidence would have to support it, and it doesn’t. But what exactly were you looking at? You think it’s a sphere, because you’ve been programmed to think that. But what if it’s just a circular light in the firmament? God called it a light, right? Not a rock that reflects light from another entity, right? As I recall, God put TWO lights in the firmament – one to govern the day, and one to govern the night. Not one light and one reflector of that light.
T8: One of the points mentioned is we would see different sides of the moon if the Earth was flat. That is, I see this face and the other side of the flat earth would see a different side of the moon. But the reality is, we always see the same side. Not possible in a flat earth right?
That’s a strawman argument. Not only does it assume the moon is a 3 dimensional object, it assumes the entire earth sees the moon at the same time. We do not. While I’m seeing a night moon, you are enjoying a sunny day with no moon in sight.
miia: As Einstein said “The important thing is to never stop questioning.”
Or as my avatar says “I’ve always been someone who looks too deep into something or someone. That’s because I realised from a young age that there’s always more than meets the eye.” (unknown).
Good stuff!
Mike: Well I still believe they do. I believe God has a literal physical form, and a literal throne from which He rules.
miia: Same!
🙂
miia: The most popular flat earth model is the one you see on the United Nations flag. It is called the azimuthal equidistant projection, or more commonly the AE map.
Similar to this weather satelite?
No, that’s not the AE map, but it reminds me of a great story. There is a site called Earth Nullschool. https://earth.nullschool.net/ They show live temperature patterns, ocean currents, wind currents, particulates, and all kinds of other things. (Click on the word “Earth” at the bottom left to bring up your choices.) Anyway, this site allows you to choose from 8 world maps you want to display the information on. (Listed as “Projections” at the bottom left.) Go there and check ocean currents, temperatures, or wind currents, and go through all 8 maps. You’ll see a bunch of currents flowing every which way, and temperature patterns that make no sense. Just watch for a minute or so, and see if you can find any rhyme or reason to why the weather would be doing what it’s doing on any of those 8 maps. You won’t be able to.
BUT… they used to offer a 9th map – the AE. The problem was that flat earthers found the site, and started making tons of videos showing how the mishmash data in the other projections made perfect sense on the AE map. For example…
The first is the globe projection, and the second is the AE map.
After a while, the site altered the AE map (and ONLY the AE map). The owner started showing it with Antarctica on top – when Antarctica isn’t even on the AE map. So a few flat earthers emailed the dude and asked why he changed it, and he said he didn’t want to give special preference to the northern hemisphere. They asked, “But aren’t you now giving special preference to a continent on which no animals or people even live?” 🙂 Anyway, it didn’t take long for the flat earthers to figure out that they could grab the map with their pointer, and rotate it so the North Pole was top center again. So they kept making more and more comparison videos after rotating it.
Then, the owner took the AE map off the site altogether. Many flat earthers contacted him to ask why he would do that, and he said there was a glitch in the system. Really? A glitch that only affected one of the nine maps? Besides, the weather data is still the same, and anyone with the know how can overlay it on any kind of map – even a map of Mars if they wanted to. Well, they waited and waited, but he never put the AE back up. Many more have contacted him to see what’s going on, but he has stopped responding. So as of today, the AE map is still missing in action from the site. And this is just one story. 🙂
miia: Here is a flat earth map I found too:
(Orlando Ferguson flat earth map if the picture’s too small)
Yeah I like that one. Has the angels holding back the four winds and everything. I’m glad you’re enjoying this journey so far, miia. Something told me you would.
Hi Mike,
Another human dogma built on doubt, paranoia and conspiracy theories
and preferring personal observation over science.
Keep em coming.
SHOW US THE WALL.
miia: Hey I was at my parents and discussing this theory, which my dad has said all along. And mum had a small globe of the earth and it broke off its axis when my son pointed to something. Sign? lol.
Funny. God works in mysterious ways they say. 🙂
miia: Really though. I feel there is something in this. Not sure what. But there’s something in this.
Now you’re in trouble, because you’ve ventured off the beaten path, and took that first little step down the rabbit hole. You will simply not believe how deep that hole is, miia. The ball earth is just the outside of a big old onion. It consists of so many layers that can be peeled away, some of which will break your heart and bring tears to your eyes.
miia: Hey LU, I saw that video of the Christian who went to space, but quickly discounted it because anyone can claim to be a Christian (you must have googled the same as me: Christian astronauts).
2 Corintians 11:13-15
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
miia: I also mentioned this topic to my oldest son, and he told me to watch Felix someoneorrather, for the curvature. Felix was a guy who wanted to break the record for the highest jump.
Felix Baumgartner. Did your son notice that the very second you start that video, you are seeing the horizon from the inside of the craft – and without the fisheye GoPro lens? Take another look at the first few seconds of the video. Notice that wonderfully flat horizon? Now compare that to the massive curve caused by the GoPro lens on the outside of the craft. Pretty huge curve, huh? Yeah, that is only the state of New Mexico you’re seeing. 🙂
Gene: Mike….I think our little “shimmer”, Miia, has some good points, it certanily is not a shame to question all things, and i respect you for that, and i think as you unbiasly seek it out and as smart as you and T8 are you guys will put it together soon with God’s help. I like your challenges it helps dig in on things more. Thanks
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Amen brother. If you give me half a chance, you’ll at least be able to see why I came to the conclusion I did. I promise you that I’ve barely scratched the surface here.
Hi Mike,
Do you think God wants everyone to believe in a flat earth with a huge wall around it?
Do you do so to prove some sort of misguided loyalty to Him?
Did He mention this huge wall anywhere?
Has He not got greater priorities?
Hey Gene, I had to edit the video, and so deleted the first one I made from YouTube. Here is the new one…
To be fair Nick, Antarctica does have an ice wall. We often see footage of it when ice breaks off. You might remember the giant icebergs that floated into New Zealand territory. Even they had ice walls. Let’s face it, if the Antarctica didn’t have an ice wall, then it would be eroding away. Thin ice just above the water wouldn’t last very long. Perhaps offer some photos of the Antarctica coastline without a wall. That might be more fruitful and should be easy to get if it exists.
Hi Mike. A small thing to note. Back in the day when the Flat Earth was mainstream, people mapped and looked at the stars way more than we do today. They had all kinds of reasons for doing so such as using the stars as a calendar. There was this weird thing though. Some stars wandered about the firmament in a random manner sometimes changing direction completely. Wandering stars as they were known, were unlike all other stars that had fixed orbits.
Of course, once the perspective changed to the heliocentric view, these wandering stars had simple circular orbits around the sun and was much easier to explain and predict. They were simply other planets like ours. Not absolute proof of course, but certainly another sign that these wandering stars orbit the sun as does the Earth and as all planets that we have discovered do. It makes all these orbits simple rather than complex. I mean, is it just a coincidence that these complex movements of wandering stars just happen to become simple perfect circular orbits once you place the Earth and wandering stars /planets as orbiting the sun?
Personally, I think the universe as we are taught today is far grander than any Flat Earth model because as knowledge increases, surely we see more grandeur from God, not a small finite reality.
I mean, it may be possible for even man to create a floating disk in space with a glass domed top and have people living in it at some stage in the future. But the more that we discover about the galaxies and universe, the more we see a glimpse of eternity, God’s eternal nature, and his inexhaustible grandeur.
The fact that there are billions of stars in each galaxy and billions of galaxies in the known universe just blows my mind. My only true reaction to it is to worship God. That deep field image of thousands of galaxies that Hubble took was just simply breathtaking. The telescope pointed at a black part of the sky and received some of the oldest light that was undetectable with the naked eye. The result just showed humanity God’s eternal nature and way less excuse to deny his existence.
Hi T8,
150m high and completely surrounding Antarctica.
The more crazy the theory the more passionate support it receives.
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