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Nick: …the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts it’s unripe figs when shaken by a great wind…
Do you see the comparison? Do unripe figs fall to the ground when shaken by a great wind? Surely you don’t consider figs falling off a tree metaphorical, right? And if figs really do fall from trees to the ground, then when he compares this real life occurrence to the way the stars will fall to the earth, why do you think the latter is metaphorical? Is there any scriptural reason to think stars falling from the sky to the earth is metaphorical?
Good point Mike!
But have you considered that the stars falling from the sky
could be meteorites instead of actual planets or stars?____________
God bless
Ed JDig4truth,
I have no problem with the creation happening in six days. I don’t believe that the earth went into orbit until day 4 though. It may have rotated before then.
Kathi: Can you admit that the earth would not be directly overhead to the Apollo landing site?
Of course. When I said the earth would be directly above anyone on the moon, I was speaking about the middle of the side of the moon that faces us. You have discovered that Apollo 17 landed 20 degrees off center, so I’ll have to change 90 degrees to 70 degrees. Here’s what that looks like…
The purple earth (#1) is 90 degrees above the astronaut (red X). The royal blue earth (#2) is 70 degrees above him. The baby blue earth (#3) is where the earth is in the wet flag image… a little less than 45 degrees tangent to the astronaut. Your claim is that he could get the flag in the shot… and the #2 earth just barely above the flag pole. I think that is far fetched.
Here is part of my camera set-up. The green and white thing is an equatorial wedge, to help you align with stars. Since Phoenix is at 33 degrees north latitude, I have it set there to align with Polaris, which allows the program to follow any heavenly object I aim the camera at…
In this one, I set it to 70 degrees. This is the angle the Apollo 17 astronaut would have had to shoot… just to get earth #1 in the very top of the photo! It surely wouldn’t have gotten the earth just over the tip of the flag pole, where earth #2 is in my drawing…
A little more to come…
Kathi, these are just an alternate view of the 33 versus 70 degree angle I showed in the last post…
That’s a lot of angle on that second one, huh? And remember that he would have had to aim even higher to get the earth where it shows in that wet flag image… because where my equipment is pointing would barely capture the earth. It would be at the very top of the image. So do you think he aimed his camera at an even higher angle than that (to get the earth down low) and also got the horizon in the same image? I think it is impossible.
Okay finally, you mentioned that the photographer was holding the camera down by his feet, right? This is the same wet flag image, zoomed in on the guy’s face shield, so you can see what I assume is the other guy in the reflection. Doesn’t look to me like he’s even holding the camera – let alone down by his feet. What do you think?
T8: Common sense should tell you that 24 hour day without the sun has problems. It is more likely that either the sun appeared in the firmament and was part of the heavens or a day is not necessarily 24 hours long.
Genesis 1…
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament…
15 and let them be lights in the firmament to give light on the earth…
And it was so.
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17 God set them in the firmament to give light on the earth…
18 And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
I’m fairly certain your “common sense” is no match for what God Himself conveyed about creation through his faithful servant Moses. And what’s worse, it’s not even common sense at all. No T8, what you’re using here is indoctrination – not common sense. 500 years ago, nobody would have read Genesis 1 and thought the days were long periods of time, or that the sun was created before day four. People only read it that way today because godless men have filled their gullible minds with nonsensical stories that go directly against God’s written word.
I’ve been listening to Mike Riddle for years, but he just released this 5 minute teaching today. Very timely and topical. He’s a heliocentrist, but listen to his argument for the sun being created on day four…
T8: “Not my theory at all. I believe 7 stages which could have been 7 minutes or 7 million years. It doesn’t give us the exact unit.”
Yes it it does give us the exact unit – a day. But your 7 million years might give enough time for the earth’s evolution. That is if your into that evolution stuff.
T8: I imagine the atmosphere is included in the rotation of the Earth, thus everything is moving in sync bulge or not, so do not see an issue with it myself. And the altitude of the sea is sea level, whether it is on the bulge or not makes no difference to the atmosphere as it starts from there up.
Well, as long as you don’t see an issue with a 21 Km high mountain of water around the equator, then I guess everything’s okay. I love how you guys use the phrase “sea level”, when there couldn’t be any such thing on a ball. Don’t laugh at this image, T8, because you actually believe it…
And you guys call me the wack job. 🙂
Btw, you didn’t address D4T’s point about why the waters of the world don’t all pull to the equator. Or for that matter, why not the clouds? Shouldn’t every cloud on earth just be a single line of clouds around the entire equator? Any mass on a spinning ball will move to the equator of that ball due to centrifugal force.
I’ll be back tomorrow or Saturday to catch up. In the meantime, I finally took the time to create my top-down eclipse video, and I hope you’ll all check it out. It’s 6 minutes long. I look forward to your explanations…
Btw, the I took the title shot myself. I overexposed the moon last week to show that we can see the unlit part, even at night. Of course that is impossible in the heliocentric model, because the moon is 238,000 miles away in pitch black outer space. The only part we should be able to see at all is the part being lit by the sun. The unlit part should be the blackest of black… exactly like the black sky surrounding the moon in my photo. It should look like this, no matter how much I try to overexpose it…
The fact that we can see the entire moon, and even the designs on it, tells us that the heliocentric model is wrong. Anyway, enjoy the video.
Hi Mike,
Do you know what the position of the moon was in it’s orbit of the earth? That would also be a key indicator for the picture of Apollo 17 flag/astronaut shot. Did you even look at the site that I linked for you and the time frame to go to where you can see for yourself exactly when the astronauts were taking the pictures of the flag? I spent a long time trying to find that for you and to write the time frame down to make it easy for you to find. There are two pictures of the different astronauts with the flag and the earth in the background.
Also Mike, the landing site is 20 degrees north of the moon equator and 30 degrees east of the moon’s meridian. I don’t think you have that reflected correctly.
One more thing…the camera is held more at his knee level. He isn’t looking through it, just aiming it up to the earth with the flag and astronaut in the foreground.
Mike,
I liked your video about the sun and days of creation. The earth doesn’t need the sun to make a 24 hour rotation. I just wrote that to Dig4truth a few hours ago. The guy did mention that God is Light, he needs to be clued in on Jesus being the Light, ha.
Hi LU,
While Jesus walked the earth he was the light of the earth
because in him was light and
eternal life.
We too are to be the light by the same Spirit of God in us.
And you guys call me the wack job.
I don’t call you a wackjob, but yes my view is I think you are wacky with some things, particularly the Flat Earth.
That picture you posted is a misrepresentation. Gravity starts from the centre and moves out. The universe doesn’t have an up so to speak or a force of gravity that means you can jump off the edge of the world and go down.
I think there is an up and down in a spiritual sense as in closeness and distance to God’s throne that is.
Hi Nick,
When the Father indirectly made the earth through Jesus who created it directly, Jesus was the Light of the world. Jesus never stops being the Light of the world.
The Dig Rule
T8 said: “Not my theory at all. I believe 7 stages which could have been 7 minutes or 7 million years. It doesn’t give us the exact unit.”
Dig said: Yes it it does give us the exact unit – a day. But your 7 million years might give enough time for the earth’s evolution. That is if your into that evolution stuff.Okay, let’s run with your hypothesis and see how far it gets us. You have established that because the word ‘day’ is mentioned, it then is specifically referring to a 24 hour period. So you take an absolute literal sense. Let’s call this the Dig Rule as you are the one who floated it first in this discussion or at least are the one pushing it the hardest. So the Dig Rule simply states that everything is literal including measurements of time in scripture. If for example it says ‘day’ it means a 24 hour day. So let the fun begin.
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
So according to the Dig Rule, John was talking about the very 60 minutes when he wrote this. Do you really believe that?
“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Okay, so seventy weeks or 490 days there would be the bringing in of everlasting righteousness. And a mere seven weeks or 49 x 24 hour days is the time between the command to restore Jerusalem unto the messiah. Seventy literal weeks was not be enough time to accomplish these things and nor was 7 literal weeks. Dog, your rule fails. Then we have prophecies about 1260 days, 42 months etc and while they may be literal, any decent bible student needs to be open to what these really mean. Many actually think a day or a week can mean a year. Take Ezekiel for example. He is told to:
“Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year”
We then have these:
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day…”
“Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations…You turn men back to dust, saying, “Return to dust, O sons of men.” For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.”
And this idea is open for debate, but will add it in just in case it relates.
“In the day you eat of the fruit of this tree you shall surely die.”
Is it a coincidence that those who lived before the Flood died just short of a 1000 years of age. Of course it could also mean that they started to die from that moment.
Clearly, the Dig Rule fails scripture and fails prophecy. No serious bible student would apply the Dig Rule right?
And finally, the reason why everything is not literal is to stop the wicked from understanding the meaning. It takes a patient and truthful person to seek out what everything means.
The Dig Rule Part II
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Let’s apply the Dig Rule. Well I will just let a picture do that to save myself typing out a thousand words. This is what you are literally looking for in regards to the scripture:
So as you can see, this is what you need to watch out for, If you see anything resembling this, then you know it is the Beast.
And as mentioned more than once, the Dig Rule is looking for a return of Jesus who has a literal sword coming from his mouth.
And out of his mouth came a sharp sword, so that with it he could strike the nations. And he will shepherd them with an iron rod, and he stomps the winepress of the wine of the furious wrath of God,
So if a being appears out of the sky and doesn’t have a sword coming from his mouth, then we are free to attack it right? Because it is not the Jesus in the Bible because that one has a literal sword coming from his mouth right?
Seriously, I think you can now see the Dig Rule for what it is.
Hi LU,
He is the light in the same way as we are the light.
While he is in the world he is the light of the world.
Then he is the light of the new Jerusalem. Rev 21.23
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