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The Truman Show
Interesting you brought that show up. When asked why Truman doesn’t discover the truth behind his fake world, the directer of the Truman Show says, “We accept the version of our world with which we are presented.” Truer words have never been spoken. And just so you know, Hollywood hides truths in all kinds of movies. You and Kathi should watch Capricorn One some time. It veils the truth of the Apollo missions.
Andrew Niccol who wrote and helped produce The Truman Show is my age and was born just up the road from where I live. He also directed Gattaca which is one of my favourite films. I loved the Truman Show too and it did remind me a lot about the deception of the world and how we may be in the pit of despair but there is a great cloud of witnesses watching.
That said, what you are proposing with the Globe Earth conspiracy is just way too big to believe. The Truman Show would be near impossible and too expensive to pull off, but the sheer amount of people in on the deception of the Globe Earth would be countless. Even just a simple yacht race that goes around the world and stops in Auckland and then goes around Cape Horn would also have to be fake according to you. And that one simple race itself would be too hard to keep as a hidden conspiracy for too long. No way Mike. You have to be wrong and not even seeing that as a possibility would be a worry to me.
A simple yacht race the FE cannot explain
Mike, you have to believe that this simple yacht race is fake. Yet as small as this is compared to the space & satellite industry, the Antarctic continent, and many other things, even this simple yacht race would be too hard to fake. Take a look at the video and you have to believe they are all actors and the 20 million dollar yachts are just funded to help keep people deceived.
No way Mike. Hell, you have more chance of telling me that there Madagascar doesn’t exist. This yacht race is closer to home and I have no personal evidence that Madagascar exists. But like the Globe Earth, I think it would be too hard to fake, hence why I don’t entertain such ideas.
Look at the leg between Auckland and Cape Horn on the Flat Earth. How do they not notice the assumed extra massive distance which is like 3 or 4 times as long. In the Flat Earth model you could also stop in North America in that leg. No way Mike no way. What you are proposing is just way too wacky. On the Globe model, NZ to Cape Horn is 7000 km or there about. On the Flat Earth it looks about 21,000 km. How do these yachts and the fans not realise it takes 3 times as long. lol. Or how do the yachts turn up a their destination 3 times quicker?
Now take a look at this map. It is too problematic to believe. How can you keep a straight face and tell us this map is an accurate representation of the Earth?
Okay, this first one is looking down on the moon. You can see the red arrow pointing straight “up” at the earth from the center of the side of the moon that faces the earth all the time. I’ve also circled the Apollo 17 guy in blue…
This one is the same overview, but I laid out what I think would be a good range of view if the Apollo 17 guy had a camera attached to his chest (they couldn’t remove them and hand hold them), and stood to where some of the moon horizon would be in the bottom of the image…
The last one shows what I would guess is the range of view from that chest camera… AND where the earth actually is in relation to the moon (we’re told that 20 earths can fit between the earth and the moon, and my earth is 8 inches in diameter, 20 feet away from the moon)…
So, do you still think that 20 degrees of difference would allow the camera to not only see the earth, but see it at what appears to be a 45 degree angle from the moon’s horizon? Keep in mind that over an hour passed between my first photo yesterday of the building, and my last one at the mountain. They tell us the earth rotates 15 degrees in relation to the sun every single hour. So I was 20 degrees off in relation to the sun from my first photo to my last… but it wasn’t enough to bring the sun down to 45 degrees above the horizon. Not even close.
God defeats Evil with the weak things of the world, and even an insignificant yacht race disproves the Flat Earth.
I don’t even need to bring out the big guns do I?I will try and read your posts above later tonight, but the obvious answer is you are not seeing the true picture with your math and you expect us to believe in a gnat and ignore the elephant.That is, it is much easier to believe that the proofs associated with the Space Age, satellites, Antarctica, Southern Ocean travel, and Volvo Ocean Yacht Race over some home made observations by people who are not experts.
Mike,
The picture was taken by the second astronaut. We don’t know the angle he was at when he took the picture. As you can see from your pushpins, if the standing astronaut looked straight up, he would not be looking at the earth. Therefore, it is possible to get a picture of the moon’s mountain, the astronaut and the earth in the distance.
Can you admit that the earth would not be directly overhead to the Apollo landing site?
T8: “So normal 24 hour days and the first day never had a sun and that too was 24 hours. Surely you can see people having difficulty aligning with this right? I mean, it seems like common sense to see the sun as part of the heavens and then appearing on the 4th day in the firmanant. If not, then prove to me that the first day without the sun was 24 hours with a morning and evening. You cannot. so we remain highly sceptical of your claim as we should.”
Sure seems like we’ve had this conversation a few times before.
I don’t need to prove the first day without the sun was a regular day because Scripture says it was. I hope you can see that it is not my claim but what the scriptures claim.
Ex 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
It’s right there, the question is are you believing God’s or man’s account? I believe we covered the scriptures that reveal God does not need the sun for light so I won’t repeat myself here. Let me ask this question, would God have needed the sun to make a day? Or, could God make a day without the sun?
Hi Dig4,
We know from psalm 90 and 2 Peter that a day can be 1000 years to God.
We know Adam was told that he would die the day that he ate of the tree in the middle the of the garden.
He ate of it and he and none of his descendants reached 1000 years.
So why be pedantic about the days of creation?
Hi Anthony,
When you say that Christ was an active agent in creation do you mean Jesus Christ or the Spirit of Christ?
Jesus got half his chromosomes from his mother so what came before was not a man.
Mike,
Have you watched the footage of the Apollo 17 astronauts take that picture. I just found it.
Here it is at this site. http://apollo17.org/
You can go to the first day on the moon at about 118:26:11. Pretty cool. You can hear exactly what the astronauts are saying at the moment they are setting up the picture. You can watch the whole mission on that site and hear the conversations and read along on the transcripts. The astronauts trade places and each of them end up having their picture with the flag and the earth beyond. They are holding the camera with their hands and seem to have it at quite an angle. They are holding it down near their knees to take the shot.
It took some time to find this for you but I enjoyed watching it. It makes me all the more in awe of the Apollo missions.
Good night Phoenix!
What does scripture actually claim?
Dig4Truth said: I don’t need to prove the first day without the sun was a regular day because Scripture says it was. I hope you can see that it is not my claim but what the scriptures claim.
Common sense should tell you that 24 hour day without the sun has problems. It is more likely that either the sun appeared in the firmament and was part of the heavens or a day is not necessarily 24 hours long. There are many words used in scripture that use a period of times and people are left guessing whether it means a year or hundred years etc.
What we can glean from the creation event is:
- 6 distinct stages;
- A beginning and ending of each period;
- Sun appeared in the firmament in the 4th stage;
That’s it. This is all you can be confident about. To narrow it down further is to assume too much. It doesn’t say 24 hours anywhere after all. Take the word ‘morning’ for example. In Spanish (manana), it means the next day. Or take the 70 Weeks of Daniel. Many scholars believe it is 70 Jubilees or 70 x 7 years, but not actual weeks as we know it. The point is it is meant to be read as a group of seven.
Biblical Hebrew has limited vocabulary with fewer words compared to English (which has the largest). This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. ‘Day’ in Hebrew believe it or not can refer to 24 hours, but can also be any time period of unspecified length, such as an age, epoch, or season. But here you are telling us that it is strictly 24 hours even in light of the fact that a day is a thousand years to the LORD and a thousand years is as a day. Further, there is no sun on Day 1 according to you, yet it is still strictly 24 hours. You view has more holes in it than a sieve and your attitude is like that of a time when people were superstitious and persecuted people who had a different view regarding scripture. Back then it was belief in the Trinity, the Earth is the centre, and Hell is eternal. Some call that time period the Dark Ages.
Nick: “We know from psalm 90 and 2 Peter that a day can be 1000 years to God. We know Adam was told that he would die the day that he ate of the tree in the middle the of the garden. He ate of it and he and none of his descendants reached 1000 years. So why be pedantic about the days of creation?”
The Hebrew word yom can mean an extended period of time but it must be defined by the context. Whenever yom (day) is used with qualifiers such as morning and evening or first, second day, etc. or both in this case, it is always has the normal meaning of a 24 hour day.
There was a death when Adam ate the forbidden fruit. If you recall there was a substitutionary death of an animal. The animal’s skin even covered Adam’s shame.
The language does not allow for the days of creation to be anything other than normal days. Sorry, but neither I nor the scriptures require the evolutionary model of the universe as an explanation.
Yes there is a morning and evening, but that is also open to context. For example, we sometimes say ‘the dawn of time’ even though dawn is the first appearance of light in the sky before sunrise.
T8, I assure you that we are all living in the “dark ages” right now.
You can see my response to Nick above. Since you have made the same claims my response fits here also.
Do you contend that the language in Genesis 1 is something other than a normal day? Why would this be the case when the qualifiers “evening and morning” and “first, second, third day”, etc. are used? It would seem to be a very forced interpretation to make it say something it clearly does not. I can understand if you say that the text says it was a normal day but that we “know” that it could not be. But based solely on the language of the text there can be no other conclusion than the normal meaning of a day is in view.
Do you believe that Adam was created on one day or a longer period of time? In other words, did Adam need to evolve as you demand the solar system to have done? Do you believe that the sun was created before the earth as science demands today?
The earth, it is said, has a bulge at the equator. Does anyone know how high this bulge is?
It’s 14 miles high, so they say, that’s higher than any mountain and higher than the airplanes fly from the surface! That’s quite a lot of centrifugal force! Yet the water on the earth does not flow to the equator or fly off of the earth. In fact we have placid lakes with mirrored water as calm as it gets. This is a ridiculous scenario.
Can anyone explain why this would be so?
If you want to look into the bulge, here is a good video. You can get the point In the first two minutes. It’s about 12 minutes long.
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