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T8: From our perspective Mike, the sun has a circuit and that is the point.
Mike: That is indeed the point. The people who spoke about its circuit were not only looking at things from their perspective, but were inspired by God to write what they did, right?
T8: Did you not realise that all believe from our perspective that the sun has a circuit and goes around the earth. No one is denying that. What science has discovered is that this perspective is caused by a globe earth orbiting the sun.
T8, I just edited this 2 minute video together for you…
Neil DeGrasse Tyson is describing you, so I hope you pay attention.
Nick: Hi Mike,
Do you think that the listeners would have to have seen the Spirit to understand?
How odd.
Rather, I think that whoever said the words, “you have seen me” was someone who was able to be seen. How odd that you think those words were said by someone/something that can’t be seen.
Nick: Hi Mike,
Perhaps John can help you.
He understood what it meant to see and touch the Word.
1 Jn 1
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the WORD OF LIFE- and the LIFE was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the ETERNAL LIFE, which was with the Father and manifested to us…
Yes, John and the others saw Jesus (the Word) with their own eyes, touched him with their own hands, and proclaimed him to many others. This Jesus they saw and laid hands on is the Word who was with the Father in the beginning, and then emptied himself to be made flesh and dwell on earth for a while.
What problem are you having with this clear teaching? Surely you don’t think John and the others not only saw a spirit, but also touched it with their hands, do you?
Wow!!!
I just watched this video and was inspired to post it.
Little did I know that someone else was inspired also!
Kathi: They were on the moon in a valley, the Valley of Taurus Littrow which was surrounded by the Taurus Mountains, thus you can see the moon MOUNTAIN in the background of the picture as well as the earth overhead…you are not looking at a flat area of the moon behind the astronaut.
Here’s the huge valley and the huge mountain you’re describing…
As you can see from this other flag photo, the earth would still have to be 180 degrees straight up above the photographer’s head. Kathi, the flagpole is aiming where the camera needs to aim in order to see the earth. And there’s no way any of that landscape would show if the he strapped the camera to the side of the flag pole pointing straight up.
Kathi: So if I was standing in front of a mountain and the sun was overhead and you were laying on the ground with a camera, you could get me in the picture with the mountain top and the sun. Please acknowledge that you understand this or not.
Even if we were at the very base of Everest, I could not capture the sun at solar noon and the mountain. And I should qualify that I’m talking solar noon at the summer solstice – when the sun is 180 degrees directly above you. As in exactly perpendicular to the surface of the earth… because that is where the earth is in relation to the near side of the moon all the time.
Do it yourself. Go outside at high noon and take a picture of the sun and a mountain in the background or whatever. I’ll do it myself today, and post the photos here later. But it’s a moot point, because as you can see from those NASA images, they weren’t standing at the base of any huge Everest-sized mountain anyway.
Kathi: So you know, I just spent a lot of time finding this information for you and it is 2:36 am here. I hope you appreciate this information.
I do appreciate the time you’ve been taking, and from now on will do my best to discuss one single issue at a time with you.
Hi Mike,
Yes it is all simple to those who cannot hear the Spirit.
A godman preexisted in heaven and came to earth.
But we follow a man anointed from above who spoke the words of God.
Hi Mike,
Yes Scripture is spiritual.
To see spiritually you do not need the eyes of a man.
You will look and look and not perceive.
Hi Dig4,
Yes and the sky will be rolled up like a scroll.
To those on earth that is how it will appear when the earth goes through a polar shift.
Isaiah 24
Hi Dig4
Isaiah 34.4
And all the host of heaven will wear away and the sky will be rolled up like a scroll
Mk 13.24
But in those days , after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it’s light and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
Rev 6.12
I looked when he broke the 6th seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts it’s unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
D4T: Wow!!!
I just watched this video and was inspired to post it.
Thanks, man! 🙂 Do you ever watch any of My Perspective’s videos? He is an artist and has forgotten more about visual perspective than most of us will ever learn in the first place. The part I snipped came from a longer video where he was examining time lapse footage aimed at Polaris, but also showing the path of the moon throughout the night. He shows through his auto-cad program how this would be impossible on a ball. The link to the original is in the description of my video.
D4T: And yet another Neil or Yeshua question.
I’ve heard the Globebusters guys talk about that video, but that’s the first time I saw it. What a brilliant point! For those who don’t take the time to watch it, the point is that we can see Tycho crater on the moon with the naked eye. It is only 85 Km in diameter. So the guy overlaid an 85 Km circle onto a country in Google Earth, and then kept zooming out to see how far away we could be and still see the 85 Km circle. You can barely make it at only 11,000 miles high. Google Earth tops out at 37,000 miles, and at that altitude, you could barely see the country he drew the circle on anymore – let alone the circle itself.
But that’s still 200,000 miles closer than we’re supposedly seeing Tycho with the naked eye from earth.
Thanks for sharing that, D. 🙂
So now the question is posed; Neil or Yeshua?
Do the stars fall or do they not?
Does Yeshua have a double edged sword coming out of his mouth? If not, then is the Bible incorrect? Atheism or the Bible?
See that. This is basically the argument you make here.
Nick: Hi Mike,
Yes it is all simple to those who cannot hear the Spirit.
A godman preexisted in heaven and came to earth.
I agree scripture is generally straight forward and easy to understand. I’m curious as to the evidence on which you base your conclusion that you can hear the Spirit but I cannot. Was this information given to you via spiritual revelation or something?
I’m also still waiting for a valid explanation of how and why “the Spirit of the anointing” said “you have seen me”… especially in light of the fact that John clearly told us that Jesus spoke those words.
You know what I think, Nick? I think you understand those scriptures just fine. But you and Gene have a bone to pick with the scriptures. See, you guys don’t WANT Jesus to have existed at the side of God before the Word was made flesh, and so when it comes to the MANY scriptures that teach this same thing, you must pretend that they aren’t saying what they clearly say, but are instead speaking in some hidden spiritual code that only those who can “hear the Spirit” are able to decipher. And anyone who reads Phil 2:5-8, for example, in a clear straightforward manner is simply unable to “hear the Spirit”.
That sound about right, Nick?
It is obvious that things do not look exactly the same between any 2 human beings given things like different location, altitude, speed, etc. And things look different from the perspective of angels. And God’s view is different again. Just as an elephant has a small tail, that may not match the description of one of its leg or trunk. So what perspective will God speak to us with most of the time? The perspective angels get, the perspective of a tree, God’s complete view, or our perspective? I say our perspective because he is relating to us. We see the sun circuit overhead, we see stars in a Flat layer above us, etc. So when the stars appear to fall, then that is significant. It says to watch, so how can we watch and understand if it is not wilritten with the view we get. I think that some arguments here are silly. Perspective is a part of the whole truth. God doesn’t reveal all truth to us at once. But knowledge does increase. No point in ignoring increased knowledge and science. It is often just an explanation of our limited perspective anyway. Increased knowledge doesn’t even change the perspective, it is merely an explanation as to why we see that particular view.
Of course some science turns 9ut to be incorrect. But from space, Earth is a globe that revolves around the sun. I have little doubt about that and I still read my Bible and see no conflict. In fact the more we learn about the universe, the greater the glory of God is revealed.
T8: Does Yeshua have a double edged sword coming out of his mouth? If not, then is the Bible incorrect? Atheism or the Bible?
See that. This is basically the argument you make here.
You have brought this same point up at least three times. And at least three times, I have responded with…
What? Why?
I have yet to see a response from you.
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