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Gene:
Mike….Jesus did speak through his own mouth at most of the time…
Thank you for acknowledging that. Nick told me that I wouldn’t be able to find a scripture when it was Jesus doing the actual speaking. But as you pointed out, he is mistaken.
Gene: …but there were times when the Father spoke also through his mouth.
I disagree.
Gene: Or haven’t you ever read this,
Matt 10:20…For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh, “IN” OR “THROUGH” YOU.
NOW DO YOU STILL DENY GOD THE FATHER ACTUALLY DID SPEAK DIRECTLY THROUGH JESUS’ MOUTH?
Yes.
Gene: Here is another one for you WONDER ABOUT Mike,
Matt 23:37…..O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killest the prophets… how often would (I) have gathered your childern together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings…
That is Jesus speaking about something he longed to do when he was in heaven… before he emptied himself to be made in the likeness of a man.
T8: Mike you are good at this and should stick to this kind of thing IMO. That is refute and correct using scripture. Some people need it.
As for the FE, while you are making the best case possible, I feel you need to be more open to the counterevidence and admit good arguments against FE. But no matter how good the argument, if it is not true, you ultimately will not prevail in that battle.
Thanks for the compliment. I believe I am doing exactly the same thing with FE as I am with Nick. You see it differently for now, but I have faith that you’ll come around in the end. Remember that we’ve barely scratched the surface so far.
D4T: Here is an interesting video of two ex-NASA employees that believe in a plane earth.
Several points are made that struck me as profound.
For example? Would you mind listing one of them for discussion purposes?
Hi Mike,
Yes you would think that if you cannot yet hear the Spirit.
It is the natural response.
But the words of Jesus Christ are spirit and are life. Do you agree?
Mike: Let’s see if you can make the object in the background 30 times larger with one lens than with the other. You won’t be able to.
T8: Haven’t I done this already with the Mt Ruapehu photo? I’m pretty sure I took another image that day with my normal lense, but I probably deleted it. Suffice to say, the zoom lense greatly increased the size of the mountain compared to the naked eye and standard camera lense.
I was talking about the relationship between the foreground and the background. In the first NASA image, we see the horizon of the moon, and the earth is tiny. In the second, we still see the horizon of the moon, and the earth is huge. The size of the earth – in respect to the foreground horizon of the moon – cannot change that drastically by using a different lens. In the latter image, the guy pasting the earth in was just a little smarter than the guy who pasted the earth into the first one. The second guy realized that the earth is supposed to be four times larger than the moon, and that it would be nonsensical to paste in an earth that looked smaller than the moon looks to us from earth.
What explanation do you offer for the wet flag?
Nick: Hi Mike,
Why are you confused?
I’m confused as to why you said the Spirit said the words of John 6:35-40 when the Apostle John told us Jesus said them. When you tell me which one of you are correct on this matter, we’ll discuss a few other words that are said in that passage.
T8: BTW Mike, you will be hard pressed to get a yes / no answer or a clear answer out of Nick as he prefers to replace an honest explanation as to what he believes in or out of season with an accusation about you probably not being led by the Spirit. This is how he rolls these days.
He’s been riding dirty like that since I’ve known him. 🙂
T8: If the earth is supported by physical pillars, and there is a glass dome on top of us, then Jesus has a literal two edged sword coming out his mouth which probably explains why his robe is dipped in blood.
Come on Mike. Imagine if I made the argument that there would be locusts with human heads appearing during the Tribulation. And when you deny literal locusts, I just showed you the scripture. This is how your biblical support verses appear to us.
What makes you think their won’t be locusts with human heads? Besides, I’ve already addressed the red part in an earlier post with these words…
What? Why?
Hi Mike,
You are confused because Jesus Christ spoke for God?
jn 3.34
For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God.
No confusion.
God spoke through the prophets too.
Heb 1.1
This is basic stuff.
T8: That would be true if the moon was flat and facing Earth. But it is a sphere, so it would be true if you were on the equator. Chances are they were not on the equator though.
Here are the alleged landing sites…
Four of them are pretty close to the equator. The earth image in question is from Apollo 11, which as you can see landed directly on the equator. Besides, your point is wrong anyway. Solar noon is when the sun is at it’s highest point in the sky. At that time, nobody on earth can photograph the sun and still have the horizon of the earth in the same picture – because the camera would have to be pointed straight up at the sky. The only exceptions would be from people very close to either pole. The vast majority of the planet would not be able to do it.
Viewed from the side of the moon that faces us, the earth is at solar noon all the time. And as you can see, none of the astronauts landed anywhere near the poles.
(Please bear in mind that I use terminology like “poles”, “planet”, “atmosphere”, and make arguments from the point of a ball earth perspective because it makes the discussion flow more smoothly. Surely you know by now I don’t believe these things.)
Anthony: Some creationists believe that the scientific assault on the Bible did not begin with biological evolution, but with the acceptance of the heliocentric (or more properly, geokinetic) theory centuries ago…
That is exactly what I have come to believe. If your large article has valid scriptural points to make this time, please snip those points out so we can discuss them. I don’t have the time to go through each one of these like I did your first one.
T8: When I attach an image in one post, it reattaches itself to the next two or three posts. Please fix this too. Thanks for all you do here. 🙂
T8: Let’s just admit the Antarctica is a frozen continent that has been visited, mapped, and probed continually for years.
If you arrange it so that you and I can rent a team of sled dogs and explore this continent at our leisure, going anywhere on it that we choose, I will admit what you ask. I’ll even pay, T8. You set it up, okay? Until the time that any person can travel anywhere they want on this big block of ice that they’ve been protecting with military power for 60 years, you can’t prove it is a continent at all.
T8: So how many people have actually touched the dome or photographed the actual dome structure?
I’m convinced that is exactly what they’re studying at the ice wall they call Antarctica, and also why they don’t allow regular people to just go there and explore like they’ve been free to do with the rest of the earth for the entire history of mankind. Dude, they’re supposedly protecting ICE with all those military forces. ICE, man! Come on now. Do you really buy that? 🙂
T8: How is this even a debate?
Once we can admit the Antarctica is a continent, then we can seriously look into other claims. But if the FE theory relies on Antarctica being an ice wall surrounding the flat disk, then the theory falls flat and is a nonstarter.
You’ve once again got it backwards, because you have yet to PROVE Antarctica is a continent. You strongly believe it is, but couldn’t even PROVE it to yourself – let alone to others. On the other hand, I can PROVE that the moon can’t eclipse from the top down in the heliocentric model. I can PROVE that we are able to see thousands of objects that would be hidden if the earth was a ball. I can PROVE that there are full moons in the daytime – which is impossible in the heliocentric model.
So once you admit that each of these things, in and of itself, destroys the heliocentric model, we can seriously look into other claims like whether or not Antarctica is a continent, or a huge ice wall dotted with a few scientific outposts here and there. T8, open up Google Earth and zoom in on this continent you keep talking about. Let me know why they’re not showing real images. Here, I just did it for you…
Does that look like real snow to you? Does it look like anything real? It’s just a bunch of blurred pastel colors smeared together like in a painting. But it doesn’t look like that when you zoom into places on earth that really exist, does it? Come to think of it, I’ll have to try NZ, what with all this talk about you guys not being on maps anymore. Maybe you look like a pastel painting when we zoom in on you with Google Earth too. 🙂
Anyway, don’t you think it’s time you seriously consider the PROOFS I’ve been showing you, instead of blathering on and on about something you couldn’t prove exists if your life depended on it?
This has been your main contribution to the thread so far…
Mike: How can we see Chicago from Michigan when, according to the ballers’ own math, it should be completely hidden by the curvature of the earth?
T8: Antarctica… I win! Oh, and here’s a video that debunks everything the flat earthers say.
Mike: How can the moon eclipse from the top down, as you can clearly see in tons of videos – most of them not even from flat earther?
T8: Antarctica… I win! Oh, and here’s a video that debunks everything the flat earthers say.
Mike: How could there possibly be a full moon in the daytime, when the sun is 93 million miles directly behind the moon from our perspective?
T8: Antarctica… I win! Oh, and here’s a video that debunks everything the flat earthers say.
I truly expected better from you, man.
David: I haven’t don’t this but if you have binoculars and are near a lake or oceon anywhere on the planet, supposedly you need only watch a boat and the further it gets away, you don’t just see it getting smaller as you would on a flat surface but see the bottom of the boat disappearing as it gets further away. Almost as if it suggest it is on a curved surface.
That is incorrect, and I already posted a video in the response I made to your last queries. Did you see that response?
Kathi:
Please write to Charlie Duke and ask him if he was able to see stars when he was in space. There seems to be some confusion over this matter, as this 2 minute video I slapped together highlights…
Enjoy. 🙂
Wow, which is it stars or no stars???
And not only that but the most brilliant light or thick blackness? Hmm.
Mike,
Perhaps all their answers are right in their own context from their unique perspectives. The video takes short comments out of their full context. Why aren’t you critical of that?
From the overwhelming evidence of a globe earth in Charlie Duke’s testimony, you still want to keep this up? Watch that video over and over (as many times as you like) till you surrender to it so you can enjoy the globe earth that isn’t moved out of its orbit. Amazing isn’t it…we always have the 4 seasons every year. The earth has not moved (out of its orbit). God has kept this earth in orbit for thousands of years as long as the orbit began. What a mighty God we serve. The earth, just suspended on nothing stays on its path, nothing stops it’s orbit.
Save yourself some time, Mike. Maybe you have been working too hard. You probably need some rest from all that work and then getting on here.
Take care of yourself, Mike.
Hi Mike,
I am the bread of life.
I am the living bread that came down out of heaven;
If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I give for the life of the world is my flesh.
Man cannot live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
The words that I speak are spirit and they are life.
The Spirit of life gives eternal life.
The Spirit is the flesh and blood of Christ Jesus.
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