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I would have to say that the inside of the plane or car is NOT like the outside of the plane or car. The outside of the plane or car (demonstrated by placing your hand outside the window when going at high speed – (don’t try this on a plane) is not what’s going on inside the car or plane. These are inclosed spaces. The earth is not.
Imagine the car is 100 km in length and travelling at a speed of 100 km/h. Inside this car is a 100 km road and you are sitting in a normal size car on that road inside the big car. You are driving the normal size car at 50 km/h, so does your speedometer read 50 km/h or 150 km/h? It reads 50 km/h and the ball you are throwing up and down inside your normal size car feels as if it is stationary. However, you wind the window down and you see the car is experiencing air resistance. But do you notice that the bigger car is also moving at 100 km/h? No you don’t. Unless you decide to vacate your smaller car and go to the window in the big 100km car and stick you hand out.
And yes, the earth is enclosed in an atmosphere relative to space outside of it. Perhaps that is the firmament.
A headwind vs a tailwind are opposites. To suggest that they have no influence on the flight of a plane is not reasonable. (Influences on the outside of an object.)
I didn’t suggest that. In fact the opposite.
Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought”
I agree, although the firmament (heavens) were not spread out until the second day.
Did4truth,
If you are going to quote me in the future, please quote the complete thought word for word so there is no confusion. I’m not normally so particular but with this about the Light of day one, I am.
My words:
The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.
The way you quoted me:
Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought”
you said:
I agree, although the firmament (heavens) were not spread out until the second day.
The heavens in some manner were there on day one but not spread out until day two. The heavens were being developed over several days it seems.
Do you also agree that those that dwell in heaven were created after the heaven was prepared, i.e. the angels?
t8,
What that light is on day one is very relevant to this topic. Wouldn’t you agree since the topic is largely about what makes a day actually an evening and a morning, and what revolves around what, etc.?
Lightenup, I totally meant to quote you correctly. But as the iPad and Internet would have it, it didn’t come out that way. I would never try to intentionally misquote you.
Having said that, I believe my point is valid but just a small point to be added to your post.
I can copy and paste the entire post sometimes and it doesn’t “copy” the entire thing. Very annoying and I’ll try to be as gracious as you are in pointing it out if it should happen to me. Thanks for the correction.
Hi Dig4Truth.
If you want to copy a whole post including images, select all and copy, then paste it in to your reply in Visual Mode. If you paste in Text mode, you will paste all the text only. Sometimes this is what you want.
There is also a Paste as Text button on the toolbar. That means you can remain in Visual Mode and not copy code and images and stuff, just the text. If you cannot see that button, go to your toolbar and click on Toolbar Toggle and you will see a second row of buttons.
To wrap up today’s lesson, Visual Mode can paste in all the HTML code, while Text Mode will paste in text only.
Lightenup: “Do you also agree that those that dwell in heaven were created after the heaven was prepared, i.e. the angels?”
You know that’s a great question and one that I have thought about before. My answer is I don’t know but I do wonder about it.
I believe it goes somewhat to the nature of God. In His eternal existence at some point He had to create or allow the created angels to share His environment. The third heaven may or may not have been created during creation week. The other heaven or heavens were.
What that light is on day one is very relevant to this topic. Wouldn’t you agree since the topic is largely about what makes a day actually an evening and a morning, and what revolves around what, etc.?
I agree. This is part of the larger topic. 🙂
Thanks admin, if it gets to be an issue I’ll have to try that. I’m usually pretty careful trying to proofread the copied section to make sure I have it right but once in a while… stuff happens.
I was getting a warning message that would not allow me to post last night and earlier today. I opened up a new window to try that but it did the same thing. Eventually it allowed me to post but I have no idea what that was about.
Weird. I wonder if you could screen capture that next time, so I can look into it. That is not familiar in my experience. And no problem about the quote thing, Dig4Truth, I feel like you are a pretty honest person.
T8, how do you have a headwind and a tailwind in an atmosphere that is moving in one direction only?
Dig4truth, I imagine that air swirls around due to cold and hot air reactions. It swirls not just horizontally I imagine, but vertically. Perhaps like the ocean currents that are warm and cold. And it seems feasible that water currents too may go one way and then the other at a different depth.
When a plane takes off, whilst on ground level it is usually a head wind, tailwind, crosswind, or no wind. Not sure that you can have both a tailwind and headwind at the same time. Is this what you are saying?
T8, how do you have a headwind and a tailwind in an atmosphere that is moving in one direction only?
Oh, I understand your question now. So my answer is pretty much the same as above. But I would like to add the following.
When a cyclone or its less powerful counterpart called a depression comes toward land, the wind is ultimately moving in a large circle, but that circle is tracking from west to east due to the earth’s rotation and variances in warn and cold air. When that circle passes by, you can be hit by all manner of direction of wind because it is a circle afterall.
In the east of New Zealand’s South Island for example, it is pretty dry. I think this has to do with mountains forcing weather systems to condense and bring rain or snow on the west as clouds are forced high to overcome the mountain barrier. But when that system finally passes the east coast it can get the sting in the tail, that is the circle passes overhead and the moisture is forced back in the direction of the land while the system is part way over the ocean. If you can picture this, it obviously doesn’t last very long. The word cyclone and anticyclone have the word cycle in them after all.In short, winds is not flat in shape moving in one direction due to earth rotation and variance in cold and hot air converging, rather, circular in shape with the whole circle tracking from west to east in some places. This introduces all kinds of wind direction, but it is the whole weather system (depression/cyclone/anticyclone) that is moving in a general direction.
If that happens again I’ll get a screen capture or just copy the message. It essentially said that it was preventing me from posting because of a danger to my system. I’m not even sure if you would call an IOS a system!
Hi Dig4,
If you lose faith in scientists and believe that there is a massive conspiracy afoot to con the masses
then you are only left with your own observations to trust
which is a weak foundation.
T8: “When a plane takes off, whilst on ground level it is usually a head wind, tailwind, crosswind, or no wind. Not sure that you can have both a tailwind and headwind at the same time. Is this what you are saying?”
and…
“In short, winds is not flat in shape moving in one direction due to earth rotation, rather, circular in shape with the whole circle tracking from west to east. This introduces all kinds of wind direction, but it is the whole weather system that is moving in a general direction.”
The point was how you could have a wind that is going against a 1,000 mph rotation. It would seem that all winds would have to follow or lag behind the spin of the globe.
You have heard of the Coriolis effect, I assume.
The Coriolis Effect is a myth. Snipers don’t really take it into account. Railguns are high-speed electromagnetic weapons that shoot a target accurately 100 miles away. They don’t account for the Coriolis Effect.
We can debunk the Coriolis Effect easily by firing a weapon straight into the air. If earth were moving, the bullet would fall in the opposite direction of earth’s spin. But since earth is stationary, the bullet falls close to the gun.
Foucault’s Pendulums are often quoted as proof of a rotating Earth but upon closer investigation prove the opposite. To begin with, Foucault’s pendulums do not uniformly swing in any one direction. Sometimes they rotate clockwise and sometimes counter-clockwise, sometimes they fail to rotate and sometimes they rotate far too much. The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the balland-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other. The supposed rotation of the Earth is completely inconsequential and irrelevant to the pendulum’s swing. If the alleged constant rotation of the Earth affected pendulums in any way, then there should be no need to manually start pendulums in motion. If the Earth’s diurnal rotation caused the 360 degree uniform diurnal rotation of pendulums, then there should not exist a stationary pendulum anywhere on Earth!
The “Coriolis Effect” is often said to cause sinks and toilet bowls in the Northern Hemisphere to drain spinning in one direction while in the Southern Hemisphere causing them to spin the opposite way, thus providing proof of the spinning ball-Earth. Once again, however, just like Foucault’s Pendulums spinning either which way, sinks and toilets in the Northern and Southern hemispheres do not consistently spin in any one direction! Sinks and toilets in the very same household are often found to spin opposite directions, depending entirely upon the shape of the basin and the angle of the water’s entry, not the supposed rotation of the Earth.
More on this latter. Taco night!
Hi Dig4truth,
I didn’t think you did that intentionally and I totally understand. Sometimes our devices seem to have a mind of their own, ha.
Do you think it is possible that the Light of day one which was likely ‘begotten’ not created, could be the begetting of the Son who is from eternity?
You can take your time and enjoy your tacos before you get to this. I hope you have some guacamole and chips to go along with them 🙂
Blessings,
LU
If that happens again I’ll get a screen capture or just copy the message. It essentially said that it was preventing me from posting because of a danger to my system. I’m not even sure if you would call an IOS a system!
Oh, I think that is a browser message about this website not having a secure certificate, that is SSL making the http to https.
This recently became a requirement from Google to use full encryption and this site is not using that yet. The message comes up because making a post from Google’s perspective could be a financial transaction for all they know, so they warn about this data being insecure at the time of posting. While Heaven Net has nothing like that when you post, I will be doing what Google wants anyway because it helps the site with SEO etc which is the more important factor for me. And being absolutely secure is also good, but if someone intercepted the data in your post due to not being fully encrypted, then that wouldn’t be a bad thing because the post is published publicly anyway. You can essentially ignore the message.
“What is the purpose of this deception—with NASA and scientists and others deceiving others into thinking the earth is spherical?”
You replied “the purpose behind it is to hide God.”
I’m not sue I understand. If the universe wasn’t as most believe, with a couple hundred billion galaxies each with let’s say a couple hundred billion stars, many of them billions of light years away, and with planets or clumps of matter or rock being dragged around them, I’m not sure how portraying it this way hides God exactly.
More are you saying this is just some silly idea tha tsoesnt Match the dome / firmament model of the universe? Even so, I’m still not sure how this deception would help anyone.
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