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Ed: “And if the day can be 1000 years long what of your personal interpretation of morning and evening?”
It is not my personal interpretation, it is what is simply stated. How about your personal interpretation? Do you have another meaning for morning and evening? Or day 1,2,3, etc.?
At most I think a “day” could mean a lifetime or a portion of a lifetime, as in “the day of Noah” for example. In that context it is clear what is meant. It isn’t a literal day but a timeframe. If however it was said “on the 8th day she shall be clean” I don’t suppose we would have any misgivings about that being literal days. (Notice the number with the day?)
I’m having a little bit of trouble defending this common language usage with people that use it in their daily lives. pardon the pun
It could be literal but would be strange if there was no sun. Morning and evening of course could perhaps mean the beginning and end of that period with no reference to the sun at all.
T8, I think I’ll save my million dollars. But since you’re close why don’t you go for it?
I will say that your point is well taken and I don’t have an answer as of yet. Kudos for putting some real thought into this!
T8, I think I’ll save my million dollars. But since you’re close why don’t you go for it?
It’s kinda already proved to me because the yachts stopover in my city sometimes. I have seen them, met some of the crew, and find it really hard to imagine the whole thing being orchestrated to try and prove a globe earth. In fact, now that I think of it, I have personally met one of the skippers called Grant Dalton. A very down to earth guy. In the 1985-86 he sailed on board the Peter Blake-skippered Lion New Zealand. In the following race, he was skipper of Fisher & Paykel, which came second, 36 hours behind Blake’s Steinlager 2 yacht. Grant had success in the 1993-94 race. Would be way too strange to think he is a paid shill of the Globe Earth society.
Hi,
All this nonsense is based on doubt and fear of deception.
And what you fear comes upon you.
DECEPTION.
Mike you quoted me and then responded:
Kathi: Also, Mike, I don’t know if you remember but I believe that day one of creation has to do in part by bringing forth the Son as the firstborn of all creation, begotten, not made…the Light of the world.
Yeah, I commented on your first post about that. I said that the words “Let there be” in Genesis always refer to God bringing something into existence that didn’t already exist. So I don’t think Jesus could be the “Let there be light”, because I believe he and the other sons of God existed a long time before God created the world. If you consider Jesus as the wisdom in Proverbs 8 – as you know I do – then it seems clear to me that this wisdom existed way before God brought forth the earth.
Kathi: The Light that sustained the upcoming creation was/is the Son and the Father…ultimately, no need for the sun to exist in order to sustain life, see the light that is given when there is no sun in Revelation. At that time there will be no more night, only day.
I hear ya, but in this case we already have the light. We’re trying to figure out what caused the evening 3 times before the sun and moon were placed in the firmament and set on their appointed circuits. 🙂
You said there:
I said that the words “Let there be” in Genesis always refer to God bringing something into existence that didn’t already exist.
I think you need to tighten that up a bit and say that God brought something into existence into this new physical realm where creation began to exist that did not exist there before. The Light of Jesus was not in that physical realm yet because He was still in the Father. “Let there be Light” brought forth(begat) the Light of the Son into the realm of the creation, enter the Firtsborn of all creation. Col 1:15+.
You also said:
So I don’t think Jesus could be the “Let there be light”, because I believe he and the other sons of God existed a long time before God created the world. If you consider Jesus as the wisdom in Proverbs 8 – as you know I do – then it seems clear to me that this wisdom existed way before God brought forth the earth.
Isn’t it reasonable to say that the order of creation and created beings would be-first create the dwelling next create those who are meant to dwell there. The earth was prepared before the animals and Adam and Eve were there. The heavens were made on day two. The angels would be created after the heavens were created in which they dwell. The angels must have been created on or after day two.
Col 1 15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.…
Hi,
It is simple.
If God did not reveal the full glory of the universe in scripture it does not exist.
hmmm.
God didn’t reveal Australia and anything about the Americas to the citizens of the Middle East back in the day. I like to think that we could never know the full extent of God’s creation, it actually goes without saying. He is eternal and who can know his mind. And knowledge shall increase is a fruit of the end times. Look how much we know about the universe than we did back in the time of Christ.
Ed: “You need the sun and rotation of the Earth for a Day and Night – according to the Heliocentric model of course That means the first 3 DAYS …and what is said in DAY 1 seems to fit the bill”
Hi Ed, (1)you don’t need the rotation of the earth for a day if the sun is revolving over a stationary earth. (2)You also don’t need the sun for a day if there is another light source.
(3)Clearly God created (made) the sun on day 4 and placed it in the firmament. (4)That is what the plain reading of the text says. That however is not what scientism says. So the question is who are you going to believe?
1) That is hypothetically true, but was not my point.
2) And what source of light are you referring to? God creating himself perhaps?3) As I said before it could be easily argued the sun was Created on day one – MAKING A DAY
and Day 4 merely a reiteration the sun and earths rotation mentioned on day one.DAY 1
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light”
“And God called the light Day” <– God Created the Sun“and God divided the light from the darkness” <– the earths rotation
(and the darkness he called Night) …Day 4
4) You seem to be ignoring that the NIGHTTIME sky is the focus of day 4.
I have to keep repeating myself because you continue to gloss over this____________
God bless
Ed JT8 The last part of my Last post seems to losing the LINE spacing.
This has happened before as well – What can be done about it?
I could probably add this HTML code to artificially create line spacing but why should I have to?
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Not sure what happened, I looked at your post in text mode and all seemed okay in the text/code. I then switched to Visual mode and hit the ‘Submit’ button and it reposted fine. I tried Submitting the post again, but from Text mode, and fine again. Maybe there was a glitch in the connection at the moment of posting?
Ed: “1) That is hypothetically true, but was not my point. 2) And what source of light are you referring to? God creating himself perhaps? 3) As I said before it could be easily argued the sun was Created on day one – MAKING A DAY and Day 4 merely a reiteration the sun and earths rotation mentioned on day one. DAY 1 “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light”
“And God called the light Day” <– God Created the Sun “and God divided the light from the darkness” <– the earths rotation (and the darkness he called Night) …Day 4 4) You seem to be ignoring that the NIGHTTIME sky is the focus of day 4. I have to keep repeating myself because you continue to gloss over this”Ed, we’re not told what source the light was from day one. It could not be “God creating Himself”, that is illogical and a contradiction of the scriptures.
I disagree that “it could be easily argued the sun was created on day one”. It cannot given the wording of Scripture. It clearly says that the sun was made on day 4.
How is the nighttime sky the focus when it clearly says; “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night” and “God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night“. Sounds pretty fair and balanced to me and if anything it would seem that the day would win because it has the “greater light”. Please explain why you think the night is the focus.
Trying to place “scientism” on the same level as God’s Word will always fall short.
Please explain why you think the night is the focus.
Because the stars and moon are seen at NIGHT (day 4)
and because you need the sun to have the first DAY (day 1)
With the creation of the sun and rotation of the earth you can have THE FIRST day
Both aspects are mentioned as being created ON DAY ONE
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