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T8: It isn’t hard t understand that everything on Earth is attracted to the centre of the Earth while a big object like the moon passing close would cause a disturbance or tug a bit harder than when it is further away.
Wouldn’t that same tug continually pull the moon ever closer, while also disturbing the orbit of the earth around the sun? If not, why not? And while we’re at it, your case was more easily made with Copernicus’ circular orbits… but they didn’t match what we actually observe in the sky. So then came Newton’s elliptical orbits to account for these discrepancies. But if the earth is orbiting the sun in an ellipsis with a difference of 3.1 million miles depending on the time of year, why does it continue to orbit? If the gravity of the sun is such that it holds the earth at bay from 91.4 million miles, then when the sun gets to its farthest point away (94.5 million miles), how can the same amount of gravity keep hold of it? Shouldn’t it just shoot on out into space?
Conversely, if the gravity of the sun is sufficient for orbit at 94.5 million miles, then when the earth returns to its closest point (91.4 million miles), why wouldn’t the gravity of the sun pull the earth into it? Or at least start messing with its orbital path?
See, these are the kinds of things we’re asked to blindly believe – despite them making no sense whatsoever.
T8: An elephant has more mass than I do, so when it jumps of a three foot platform, gravity influences it more than if I jumped off that same platform.
Or, heavier things fall through a less dense medium with more force than lighter things. Newton’s theory of gravity says that – for some unknown reason – masses attract each other. There are formulas for figuring out how much gravitational pull there would be for a certain mass at a certain distance from the other mass, but the bottom line is that all objects of mass attract each other via this force. So what then of helium? It has mass, but the earth’s gravity has no effect on it. How can that be?
Once you start tugging at the loose strings, the entire sweater gets pulled apart. It is a house of cards, man. Now to be sure, there will be men using words we can’t understand telling you there is this explanation or that reason – but those unsubstantiated claims are the only thing keeping the house of cards standing. Well, that and the willingness of gullible people – many of them God-fearing Christians – to believe those things.
Take the age of the earth, for just one example. Do you know how many Christians believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old? At least half, and I’d say an overwhelming majority of them. Of course that’s not counting the millions who have dropped from the faith because they logically deduced that if the 4.5 billion years was correct, the Bible couldn’t be. I get the feeling you still believe in those deep ages they pulled out of their butts, like so many Christians who keep trying to force-fit the ever-changing claims of godless men into the scriptures. But what did God Almighty say about it?
Exodus 20:9-11
Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. On it you shall not do any work… For in six days Jehovah made the heaven and the earth, the sea, and ALL that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.
There was no heaven and no earth until day one, when God created them. A mere 5 days later He created Adam and Eve. No time for billions of years, big bang, or amoeba-to-man evolution. I have learned to trust God’s word no matter what the secularists say about this or that – because there exists no greater authority. And God’s word says that Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still in the sky, and they did just that. God’s word says that both the earth and the heaven rests on pillars. God’s word says there exists a firmament separating the waters above from the waters below, and that there are lights running on appointed circuits in this firmament to designate days, months, and seasons. I believe all those things, because God’s word says them.
D4T: Yes, but God cannot lie. He has told us certain things about the earth, sun, moon and stars that contradict what the “science” of today is trying to tell us. No one is arguing that God knows more than us and that He has revealed this knowledge to us in a way that we can understand. But if He says the earth was created before the sun then it cannot be the other way around.
Science says many things that are against Scripture; sun before earth, no global flood, man was not created but evolved, etc.
We don’t seem to have a problem rejecting these claims but the same scientists tells us that our universe has evolved from an explosion and they have all the data and pictures to prove it – and somehow it is a heresy to question them? Hmm.
What a remarkable post, D. Beautifully worded. I pray that Nick, Gene and the rest read it and take those words to heart.
Hi Mike,
No my heart has more important matters in it.
Your obsession to prove yourself right does not make the cut.
T8: I will see your video and raise you another, Mike.
This one has satisfying answers in it to some of the questions you have asked here.
Fantastic! Shall we go through your video point by point… or through Anthony’s written version? I imagine the written version would be easier, as I can copy and paste each claim, and then address it. Before I address your guy’s first point (which is also Anthony’s guy’s first point), may I point out that your video starts off with what appears to be a 5-6 time-lapse video supposedly taken from space, and that the clouds don’t move at all during the entire clip? How realistic is that? I will also point out that the video appears to be showing Australia taking up the majority of that entire half of the globe – with no other body of land (besides Antarctic) in sight. There is no NZ, but I guess you guys are used to that, based on what I’ve been reading about you being left off a bunch of world maps lately. 🙂 But there isn’t any other land either. It starts here…
And records to here…
But it only shows Australia… not all the other land masses Google Earth shows.
Anyway, let me also point out the ISS video from 0:45-0:50 shows severely curved solar panels, indicating a fish eye lens, which as you know will make even a perfectly flat horizon look curved. From 0:50-0:56, the ISS video shows a very bright sunspot on the earth. While a nearby sun would have that effect, a sun 93 million miles away with light hitting the earth parallel should not leave a localized sunspot. And if it could, why is there never a sunspot on the moon?
0:56-1:00 shows even more solar panel curvature due to the fisheye lens they were using… BUT… 1:00-1:07 shows a shot from inside that isn’t using a fisheye lens. Notice how the straight the panels are in that one… and how razor straight the earth’s horizon is. 🙂 At that point, he clearly admits that he cannot prove the videos from space are real any more than I could prove they are fake. Of course I can and will prove they are fake, because we all have access to hours and hours of YouTube videos showing many different kinds of NASA fakery. But we’ll leave that alone for now.
Anyway, his first claim was that people have known for thousands of years that the earth is a ball. So let me continue this in a response to Anthony, whose guy starts off with the same claim.
Okay, here are the very first words from the article Anthony linked…
A few months ago I released an experiment video explaining how Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth using the shadow of sticks. The method was performed almost two millenia ago, and produced quite accurate results (considering the ‘equipment’ used). But it was far from being the only (or first) method to understand our planet’s shape.
Humanity has known the Earth to be round for a few millenia…
So this is perfect timing, since I told T8 last night that Eratosthenes was the ONLY thing I wanted to discuss with him right now – until we get some closure on it. So Anthony, T8, and everyone else on the thread…
Can the shape or circumference of the earth be proven by measuring shadows in two locations? YES or NO?
Hi dig4,
Now you claim the stamp of God’s approval on your fanciful ideas?
God cannot be wrong but the interpretations of men can be wacky.
Back to my toenails.
Fantastic! Shall we go through your video point by point… or through Anthony’s written version? I imagine the written version would be easier, as I can copy and paste each claim, and then address it.
Yes, let’s do that.
I will also point out that the video appears to be showing Australia taking up the majority of that entire half of the globe – with no other body of land (besides Antarctic) in sight. There is no NZ, but I guess you guys are used to that, based on what I’ve been reading about you being left off a bunch of world maps lately. 🙂 But there isn’t any other land either.
Australia is way bigger than the usual maps show, but yeah I’ll watch the video again when I’m back on my PC. As for NZ not existing, I’m use to that. I’m old enough to remember when we didn’t basically exist from the rest of the worlds perspective. I remember hearing an American accent when I was about 10 years old and was fascinated to hear how other people spoke differently. Nowadays we get visitors from all over the world.
Anthony and Gene, no need to apologize, but accepted nonetheless. This is hard for a lot of people, including me and D4T. It’s not like we watched a video and decided on a whim that we would enjoy being called flattard, wack job, idiot, stupid and ridiculous. We don’t enjoy people laughing us off like we’re crazy, or rolling their eyes at us while giving us an, “Oh you poor ignorant soul” look of pity. Contrary to Nick’s claim, being thought of as a blathering idiot by 99% of the world is not a good way to boost one’s ego.
I spent a long time thinking I had lost my mind, because the things the flat earthers were showing me made so much sense, but they went against everything I’ve “known” since I was a small child. There’s just no way in this day and age anyone could possibly think the earth was flat, right? But the more I researched, the more I discovered how this heliocentric model came to be in the first place, and the reason for it. I learned how it was built on assumptions, lies, and deceptions… never testable observational evidence.
Anyway, Solomon said, “If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.”
All I’m asking from you is to hear the matter before giving your answer. Right now I want to show you that people haven’t “known the earth was a ball” for millenia – as is the common claim. So I await your answer to that question I asked in my last post.
Hi Mike,
No joining in your pity party from me.
I can only hope you make a full recovery and that then we can discuss what is important.
T8: As for NZ not existing, I’m use to that. I’m old enough to remember when we didn’t basically exist from the rest of the worlds perspective.
I was talking about this new trend…
Nick: Hi Mike,
No joining in your pity party from me.
I can only hope you make a full recovery and that then we can discuss what is important.
Proverbs 18:13
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Need I say more?
Hi Mike,
Lk 10.41
.. ‘Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part which will not be taken from her.’
Acts 17.21
( Now all the Athenians and the strangers visiting there used to spend their time in nothing other than telling or hearing something new)
Spend time wisely.
Nick keeps threatening to leave and not participate, but always comes back for more. Lol. I bet he continues dialogue here. Let’s see.
Mike, yes I saw this story on the news the other day. My opinion is its inevitable because the vast majority of countries sit in or on a continent, so impossible to leave out unless you miss a whole continent. However, we don’t have it as bad as Tasmania. Even Australia forgets to add them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_of_Tasmania_from_maps_of_Australia
Nick: “Now you claim the stamp of God’s approval on your fanciful ideas? God cannot be wrong but the interpretations of men can be wacky.”
Were they my ideas or were they God’s Word? Did God say that He made the earth before the sun? Did He say that the flood of Noah’s day was world wide? Did He say that man was created and thus did not evolve?
I’m sure you had no intention to call God’s Word “fanciful”. Standing up for God’s Word will always bring some kind of persecution but stand we must.
If you want fanciful ideas though keep listening to the scientist that say that nothing became everything and chaos begot order and complexity, and all without any intelligent input.
Did God say that He made the earth before the sun?
Where does it say that. Of course that is possible, but want to know what you are referencing, even though I already have a good idea.
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