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T8: No contradiction. Stars fall to earth all the time. I have seen too many to count.
We’re told that our tiny sun-star can hold 1,300,000 earths inside of it. Yet you think you’ve seen these mega-huge nuclear fireballs that dwarf the sun fall to the earth too many times to count? Hmm…
According to your model, every single star is WAY bigger than our tiny earth. Jesus says the stars (definitely plural, presumably all of them) will fall to the earth. Now explain to me again how this is not a contradiction when we’re also told that if the earth were even 1/100th closer to our very tiny sun-star (932,056 miles closer than it is right now), it would be inhabitable. So how are these much, much larger fireballs going to come anywhere near the earth without frying it to a crisp – let alone fall onto it like Jesus says?
I think you might want to Google “falling stars”, and find out that – even according to YOUR model – they have nothing whatsoever to do with stars. Afterwards, please adjust your clear and succinct answer accordingly. I’ll be anxiously waiting.
T8: …you need to factor in their culture and science which is not infallible.
But I keep telling you… it wasn’t “Hebrew culture” that told Moses how God made the earth fixed on foundational pillars so it can’t be moved; how He made a firmament to divide the waters above from the waters below; how He placed the sun, moon and stars in that firmament, and how He can open and close windows in it to let the waters above flow through to flood the earth, right? And I presume it wasn’t “Hebrew culture” that prompted Jesus to say that heaven and earth will fade away, but not one jot or tittle of the Law and the Prophets will, right?
So you are right that man is fallible. But don’t you believe that God is infallible? And don’t you believe that the Law and the Prophets were inspired by God?
Your not thinking straight Mike. A beast with seven heads and ten horns will come out of the sea and Jesus will return with a sward coming from his mouth.
Back to the drawing board Mike.
Just know that things were written so that the wicked will not understand. The way you interpret things, anyone including the wicked would understand it.
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
But I keep telling you… it wasn’t “Hebrew culture” that told Moses how God made the earth fixed on foundational pillars so it can’t be moved; how He made a firmament to divide the waters above from the waters below; how He placed the sun, moon and stars in that firmament, and how He can open and close windows in it to let the waters above flow through to flood the earth, right? And I presume it wasn’t “Hebrew culture” that prompted Jesus to say that heaven and earth will fade away, but not one jot or tittle of the Law and the Prophets will, right?
I keep telling you that a beast with seven heads and ten horns will rise from the sea and it was God that said it. So that means a real big monster that has seven brains will eat boats that happen to float near the monster right? And don’t get me started on
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
There is absolutely nothing in scripture that requires the Earth to be flat and covered by a glass dome
What we are told in scripture is that there is the earth and above it is the firmanent which separates water from water. Science basically says the same thing. Above earth and sea is air that thins out. Clouds which are water are above. This water falls down to the earth. This is called The Water Cycle.
Notice how there is a separation of the water above and below and it works without the earth being flat?
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According to your model, every single star is WAY bigger than our tiny earth. Jesus says the stars (definitely plural, presumably all of them) will fall to the earth.
Lol.
I think you might want to Google “falling stars”, and find out that – even according to YOUR model – they have nothing whatsoever to do with stars.
I don’t need to change my answer. I gave a number of possibilities and none of them were literally falling suns. Stars are those lights we see in the sky and not all of them are suns. You say that all stars will fall (lol), but it also says the sky will roll up like a scroll and every mountain will move out of its place. This is talking about a great upheaval and there are a number of things that could describe this. Predicting it to be LED bulbs crashing to the ground like the opening scene of The Truman Show is just hilarious. Is the Bible the Truman Show to you? Seems so and everyone is in on the conspiracy just like all those millions of people involved in the Space and satellite industry and who protect unauthorized boats and planes from flying to the edge of the disc. So funny.
T8: Dig, the moon will become blood too. The Bible is written so the wicked will not understand. You cannot take everything literally, otherwise the wicked would understand.
Rev 6:12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood;
t8, did you notice the metaphoric language in the above Scripture? “As” and “like” are both telling those who are willing to hear that they will be “like” something and not actually that something. It not kosher to use Scripture for one’s own agenda!
T8: Your not thinking straight Mike. A beast with seven heads and ten horns will come out of the sea and Jesus will return with a sward coming from his mouth.
It was a vision. Please read the Bible with understanding! The things John was shown were not literal but they were explained to him as to what they represented. Just read it, it explains this plainly! But I suppose some still wish to use the scriptures for their own agenda. Very sad.
T8: I don’t need to change my answer. I gave a number of possibilities and none of them were literally falling suns.
You look for possibilities that God isn’t saying what He says while others simply believe what He says. Some understand the metaphors and analogies and look for that kind of language to determine if that is what is intended and others apply it when it fits their agenda.
Rev 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.
Can you spot the metaphor in the above passage? It’s the fig tree right? Does it make sense to use a metaphor to describe a metaphor? I suppose you could say yes if it fits your agenda but in a normal reading you wouldn’t do that.
Like I said Dig, besides a huge meteor shower or other celestial objects falling to the earth, it could also be the following:
The earth could move out of it place or sway like a drunkard. Even the slightest erratic movement would see the stars move.
We know that one third of the stars fall to earth and that could be a reference to angels.
His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.
You doubt any metaphorical interpretation Dig, so are you telling me that the woman is not Israel or whatever but a literal woman?
In case you need clarification with this view just read the context and approach it with an open mind or in the least with some common sense.
an enormous red dragon…His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth…the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him”
No flat earth needed here.
It was a vision. Please read the Bible with understanding!
So one-third of the stars falling to earth was NOT a vision? And if both were a vision, then your point here is moot.
t8, did you notice the metaphoric language in the above Scripture?
Your getting the idea. Did you also notice the metaphorical language with one-third of the stars and angels?
T8, why is it that every time I refute you with Scripture you come back with the exact same argument that was debunked and more importantly – without any scriptural support? This is really shameful!
It seems the points I have made have gone right over your head. I’m not surprised however as you believe the earth is flat despite much knowledge to the contrary and the fact that the Bible doesn’t teach it.
The conclusion I draw from your posts is you are not interested in the truth because I have given you time and dedication in trying to help you with both scripture and explanations that debunk your hypothesis.
It seems you want to remain entrapped in the flat earth cult which is standard behaviour for all members of cults.
My advice is to come out of her. No cult helps in the building of the Kingdom of God. They are all detrimental and based on lies.
I pray in the name of Jesus that you will see this and repent.
Can you at leat agree that stars are sometimes metaphorical for angels? Like the morning star may be a planet or light in the sky, but is also a person.
Think about it Dig, truth is an attribute of God right, but that to is a person.
You seem to lack the understanding for reading scripture. If everything is as literal as you allude to, then even the wicked could understand scripture. It is coded and the children of God have been given the key.
You read scripture in a very c carnal way it seems.
Rev 8:8-13 The second angel sounded, and something “like” a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, 9 and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.
10 The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. 11 The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.
12 The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.
13 Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”
t8, why make up your own agenda when the Scripture is very clear when it is an allegory or literal?
In verse 8 it is “like” a mountain, meaning it is not a mountain but like one. Why then do you conclude that a literal 1/3 of the sun, moon and stars will cease to shine? What part of the language can you claim to support your position? What other than your agenda dictates your position?t8, why make up your own agenda when the Scripture is very clear when it is an allegory or literal?
In verse 8 it is “like” a mountain, meaning it is not a mountain but like one.So the stars falling from Heaven cannot be angels despite it saying elsewhere that the stars are angels?
And because the following doesn’t say ‘like’, it is then literal.
In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance
So when he returns, he is literally holding seven stars in his right hand and a literal sword is protruding from his mouth because it doesn’t say ‘like’.
NAY dig NAY. lol.
Why then do you conclude that a literal 1/3 of the sun, moon and stars will cease to shine? What part of the language can you claim to support your position? What other than your agenda dictates your position?
Please pay attention and read my posts properly. I never said that. Show me where if that’s what you think I said.
T8, why is it that every time I refute you with Scripture you come back with the exact same argument that was debunked and more importantly – without any scriptural support? This is really shameful!
Rev 1:20 As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
The Bible defines itself but you sure ask a lot of questions to cast doubt on it. Your agenda must be very important to you. “Did God really say”; resounds with your posts.
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