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Why not just Google “Hebrew cosmology”, T8? You’ll find tons of scholarly articles from Hebrew and Biblical experts… and a bunch of secular articles from atheists who consider belief in a creator god the stupidest thing ever. What they have in common is that NONE of them are flat earthers, and ALL of them will tell you that the Bible teaches a stationary earth with a dome over it in which the sun, moon, and stars circle over the earth.
Lol, those Atheists have you eating out of their palms. Some people would call that being a useful fool, a term that is used in the intelligence community.
But haven’t we been through this before. Doesn’t the Bible also teach that a two edged sword will come from the mouth of the coming messiah, scorpions will hurt men from their tails for months and have heads like people, a woman wearing a crown of 12 stars floating in the heavens will give birth to the messiah, and that the sun will go down, (under the disk lol).
Or is it just normal to speak of observations symbolically and from our PERSPECTIVE (which is truth) and that perspectives can change depending on where, when, how, they are being viewed (which is also truth).
Maybe just a bit of common sense is in order Mike, rather than write off the Bible or actually take everything literally with no perspective whatsoever?
That train travelling at 1000 mile an hour viewed from someone outside is a rushing train. From inside the train it is a rushing landscape. Both are perspectives Mike. It’s common sense mate but it seems to be lacking.
The Earth is bigger than Flat Earther’s can imagine
T8: Now try and imagine the same train going around a circular track measuring a whopping 40,075 km in circumference. You wouldn’t feel it.
Mike: How were you able to confirm that? And what would happen if you opened a window on that train?
Here are the points that you and I have mentioned. I cannot be bothered checking out to see if each is correct. I will quote what I googled and what you have stated.
- 40,075 km circumference
- 1,600 km /h (1000 mph)
Let’s scale it down to something we can relate to by using simple division.
- Drive around a 40 km circumference at 1.6 km/h.
- Or drive around a 25 mph circumference at 1 mph.
- Drive around a 250 mph circumference at 10 mph.
Would you overrun the curve or stay right on track similar to driving on a straight road?
Mike: Why not just Google “Hebrew cosmology”, T8? You’ll find tons of scholarly articles from Hebrew and Biblical experts…
The same Hebrews who thought their Messiah would come with military might to deliver them from decades of captivity from earthly kings and pagan nations.
But just as the New Testament reveals a much better deliverance provided by Jesus the Messiah, (a deliverance from the power of sin), so it is that other ideas taken from the scriptures by ancient Hebrews didn’t meet their expectation like the coming of Elijah or the design of the cosmos as you state.
However, to be fair, the Hebrew cosmology is not too far off. In reality it is pretty much the same thing except you need to make the horizontal leveled layers as layers around a globe, around that is the dome or atmosphere and the heavens going further out. Inside the earth are the depths and even Hades. But from our perspective, it looks flat so the model is fine. Obviously they didn’t do it to scale and never claimed it to be science. Like most models, it is a representation from our perspective.
I think many FEs stumble over perspective. It is an easy concept and really shouldn’t be that difficult. The diagram below says a 1000 words. Perhaps consider what it means.
Enough said, you have displayed your intellectual prowess for all to see. Not that I have a problem with people who are not academic, rather that they should stick to things they are gifted or good at. I wouldn’t dare for example claim my opinion matters in the world of art because I am so useless at it. It is wise to know your own limitations. lol. By the way, what gave it away as being CGI? 😉
No, because outer space doesn’t exist.
Because Flat Earth?
Right, so there is no space after the dome. There is nothing? A turtle shell? What?
Were you guys transported from the 17th century? If so, I can tell you that knowledge increased as the Bible stated it would.
T8: Have you ever seen a snow machine? Looks like real snow right? Because it is. Or is it fake? Maybe that is a conspiracy too.
What a joke. For the love of God, man… why don’t you just Google “geoengineering” and find out that it’s not a conspiracy? That’s right… lots of “official mainstream” universities, government agencies, and media outlets have been talking about it for years. There are none so blind as those who willingly refuse to see.
T8: But haven’t we been through this before. Doesn’t the Bible also teach that a two edged sword will come from the mouth of the coming messiah, scorpions will hurt men from their tails for months and have heads like people, a woman wearing a crown of 12 stars floating in the heavens will give birth to the messiah, and that the sun will go down, (under the disk lol).
Always with the scriptural gymnastics rescue devices, huh? Just enough wiggle room (in your mind) so that you don’t have to really accept any teachings from the scriptures that you don’t want to, right? So when Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stand still in the sky, it was just a metaphor, right?
You completely disregarded the fact that ALL of the prominent scholars, atheist or otherwise, agree on what cosmology was taught in the scriptures. Most don’t BELIEVE that’s the way the world really is, but they all agree that this is what the Bible actually taught. You know it’s what the Bible teaches too… but you don’t WANT to accept it, and so you make excuses for God.
Btw, I told you many times that there is no Hebrew nor Greek scripture that says the sun “goes down” or “sets” or “rises”. English Bibles use those kinds of terms, but the Hebrew and Greek scriptures do not. They use words like “from the sun’s going forth to its coming in”.
T8: …so there is no space after the dome. There is nothing? A turtle shell? What?
The Bible says waters, so that is truly what is outside the firmament. Or would you like to correct God on that point as well?
But the sun is over 100 times the diameter of Earth in reality. Your logic assumes the sun is literally that small when it is only it’s distance that gives us that perspective. If the sun is over 100 times bigger, then if you remove the distance, how much of the sun would you see now? Heaps right? Now push it back to its distance from us and knowing that light travels in straight lines when not interfered with, why would we suddenly see much less of the actual sun (disregarding the loss of size)?
What a joke. For the love of God, man… why don’t you just Google “geoengineering” and find out that it’s not a conspiracy? That’s right… lots of “official mainstream” universities, government agencies, and media outlets have been talking about it for years. There are none so blind as those who willingly refuse to see.
You offer zero proof that those pics of contrails are actually chemtrails.
And of course people drop stuff from planes like fetilizers and even things to effect the weather. So what. No one is doubting that.
The doubt is those contrials you photograph. We don’t believe they are chemtrails being sprayed on the public to dumb them down.
Look if that is the case, then you have been dumbed down and I have not as we don’t have these. How can I trust your posts if you are dumb?
You completely disregarded the fact that ALL of the prominent scholars, atheist or otherwise, agree on what cosmology was taught in the scriptures. Most don’t BELIEVE that’s the way the world really is, but they all agree that this is what the Bible actually taught. You know it’s what the Bible teaches too… but you don’t WANT to accept it, and so you make excuses for God.
The Bible makes no claims on how our planet, sun, and other planets are organized.
But you obviously think that is not the case.
Provide three scriptures from the Bible please.
Houston we have a problem
Mike: Btw, I told you many times that there is no Hebrew nor Greek scripture that says the sun “goes down” or “sets” or “rises”.
That’s what you say Mike, but you will practically say anything to support your view. You have lost all objectivity it seems.
“Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down (ἐπιδυέτω – epidyetō) on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil”
Strong’s Concordance
epiduó: to set (of the sun)
Original Word: ἐπιδύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: epiduó
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-doo’-o)
Definition: to set (of the sun)
Usage: I sink, set, set during, go downThis is what the Bible says, and as you take it literally and this doesn’t happen in the Flat Earth model, you sir have a problem.
Response to Globebusters
This guy totally wrecks a number of Flat Earth arguments with obvious facts.
I think it is safe to say this topic is done.
Team Globe wins.
First off, I don’t think it is a real photo, rather it is likely a CGI or a composite image.
That said, real photos of Earth from space do not show stars for the same reason photos taken during daylight hours of the sky show no stars. Guess what, the stars are actually still there, it’s just that they cannot be seen because the light of the stars cannot compete with the light of the sun. Likewise, the stars cannot compete with the light emanating off the Earth when a photo of Earth is taken from space. Further, have you ever tried photographing the stars at night without using a tripod and very slow shutter speed? What was the result?
Another argument debunked.
I think that is everything now. I guess this topic is complete right?
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