Firstborn of/over all creation

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Hi MB,
You have a bias on this one?

June 1, 2014 at 8:12 pm#386089

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Hi MB,
The Spirit of Christ is not a creature.

June 1, 2014 at 9:10 pm#386094

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Hi Mike:

You say:

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scriptures that say God sent His only begotten Son DOWN FROM HEAVEN to be born of Mary………. ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.

What scriptures say that he sent his only begotten Son down from heaven to be born of mary, according to the flesh?

That he came down from heaven is true. The man Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and that makes him, “the Only Begotten Son of God”. No, other man can say that. All others were born of the sperm of man. And the spirit also came down from heaven. It was the Holy Spirit that indwelt Jesus from the time of his ministry, and through the Word of God that he obeyed unto death, he was made a quickening spirit, “life-giving spirit”.

A person is defined by the life that he lives in the body, and as he said in John 6, it is the spirit that gives life, the Word of God that he spoke to humanity and that he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross. As he said in John 14, “he who has seen me has seen the Father”. And we have through the life that he lived in obedience to God's Word.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 1, 2014 at 9:24 pm#386098

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,01:24)

Hi MB,
You have a bias on this one?

Nick

why is it that you never ,never show Mike's miss interpretation WITH SCRIPTURES

June 1, 2014 at 9:27 pm#386099

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 01 2014,20:33)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,19:20)

Hi WU,
Those who are reborn into the Son accept and follow his rulership over them-he is the head of the Body.
He is the first to be resurrected -and the sons of the resurrection become one with him.
He is appointed and anointed Lord of all and above all worldly rulers.

But he is not the first to have the Holy Spirit??

But John is??

Rejecting what is in scripture again.

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

John the Baptist was a prophet, and just like the other prophets that preceded him, he had the anointing of God in order for God to fulfill a specific thing or things through him, but there was no prophet prior to Jesus who would be the “ONLY Begotten Son of God and God's “the Christ”, and who ever obeyed God without sin unto death on the cross, and to have been born again from the dead until Jesus was raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. And no one else could be born again from the dead, and receive the Holy Spirit in this way until Jesus was glorified.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 1, 2014 at 9:32 pm#386101

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marty
you say;;
What scriptures say that he sent his only begotten Son down from heaven to be born of mary, according to the flesh?

this is the right understanding from scriptures,why are you not understand it

scriptures are not written the way you ask them to be written ,but you know that ,because you have some understanding ,FOR WHAT MAKE YOU SO SURE THAT CHRIST CAME AND THAT HE REALLY IS THE SON OF GOD IS NOT MADE AS FAITH IN THE MULTI COMPONENTS IN SCRIPTURES THAT DESCRIBE HIM TO IT IS ,WHAT ABOUT YOU

June 1, 2014 at 9:34 pm#386102

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,02:12)

Hi MB,
The Spirit of Christ is not a creature.

THAT DEPEND OF WHAT YOU MEAN ;IT COULD BE HIS CHARACTER AND ATTITUDE OR HIMSELF ;RIGHT YES

June 1, 2014 at 9:44 pm#386105

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,04:58)

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Since John the Baptist whom was yet in his mother's womb and of about 6 months from his conception was able to through the spirit recognize Marry was the mother of the Messiah Jesus was able to bear the fruit of the Spirit at the same time.

Hi Kerwin:

The scriptures state that about John the Baptist, but it does not say that about Jesus.

…….when Jesus was being tempted of the devil, he had aleady been baptized and had received the Holy Spirit.

He did not have it until then. If he already had it from birth, why did he have to receive it again?

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty,

Jesus received the Holy Spirit IN FULL at his baptism. That is not to say he was led by the Spirit his entire life.

What do you think led him to the synagogues to discuss scripture with the elders at such a young age?

What do you think led him to John the Baptist in the first place? Who told him he must be baptized by John in order to “fulfill all righteousness”?

You only need to think these things out.

Hi Mike:

He was a Jewish lad under the Law, and others Jewish people also went to the Synagogues. They also did not have the Holy Spirit, but were striving to obey God under the Law of Moses.

But don't you think that his mother may have shared with him about how he was conceived in her womb?

He said when he was in the Synagogue and his mother came looking for him: “don't you realize that I must be about my Father's business”?

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 1, 2014 at 9:55 pm#386108

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:08)

Quote (Ed J @ May 31 2014,23:47)

Hi Nick,

“the spirit of Christ” is the spirit of the Son
and the HolySpirit is the Spirit of the Father.

That is correct, Ed.

Thanks Mike,

It's good when we agree!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 1, 2014 at 9:56 pm#386109

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,05:09)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,00:42)

Hi ED,

The Spirit of anointing is what Jesus received at the Jordan
making him the Son of God alone

So the fact that God is the one who actually CONCEIVED Jesus in the womb of Mary didn't make Jesus God's Son?

Come on, Nick…………

Hi Mike,

Good point.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 1, 2014 at 10:22 pm#386111

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Hi Ed,
Yes God fathered Jesus and Mary supplied the egg so in this way his parenthood was not exclusively of God.

He came SON OF MAN.

The Spirit makes him exclusively SON OF GOD and we can follow him into this sonship.

June 1, 2014 at 10:25 pm#386113

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Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2014,08:32)

marty
you say;;
What scriptures say that he sent his only begotten Son down from heaven to be born of mary, according to the flesh?

this is the right understanding from scriptures,why are you not understand it

That is not what the scripture states.

So, why should I understand it that way? It is the scriptures that dictate what I believe. If it says that, post the scripture and I will be convinced.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 1, 2014 at 10:31 pm#386115

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,09:22)

Hi Ed,
Yes God fathered Jesus and Mary supplied the egg so in this way his parenthood was not exclusively of God.

He came SON OF MAN.

The Spirit makes him exclusively SON OF GOD and we can follow him into this sonship.

Hi Nick:

This is what the scriptures state:

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Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 1, 2014 at 10:42 pm#386116

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Hi 94
Yes
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The sonship to God inthrough Mary also made him a Son of God as flesh.
But that sonship did not anoint or empower him.

Only after the Jordan did the demons recognise him

June 1, 2014 at 10:48 pm#386117

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,09:22)

Hi Ed,
Yes God fathered Jesus and Mary supplied the egg so in this way his parenthood was not exclusively of God.

He came SON OF MAN.

The Spirit makes him exclusively SON OF GOD and we can follow him into this sonship.

Hi Nick,

You mean “the spirit of Christ” in him right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 1, 2014 at 10:50 pm#386118

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,09:42)

The sonship to God inthrough Mary also made him a Son of God as flesh.
But that sonship did not anoint or empower him.

Only after the Jordan did the demons recognise him

Hi Nick,

True

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 1, 2014 at 11:13 pm#386122

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Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2014,09:50)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,09:42)

The sonship to God inthrough Mary also made him a Son of God as flesh.
But that sonship did not anoint or empower him.

Only after the Jordan did the demons recognise him

Hi Nick,

True

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

With that I will agree.

Love in Christ
Marty

June 1, 2014 at 11:33 pm#386125

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Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,05:13)

Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2014,09:50)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,09:42)

The sonship to God inthrough Mary also made him a Son of God as flesh.
But that sonship did not anoint or empower him.

Only after the Jordan did the demons recognise him

Hi Nick,

True

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

With that I will agree.

Love in Christ
Marty

all

why would the demons and Satan not recognize him (Jesus) before his baptism

Paul mention something about that ,no

June 1, 2014 at 11:38 pm#386129

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Quote (942767 @ June 02 2014,04:25)

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marty
you say;;
What scriptures say that he sent his only begotten Son down from heaven to be born of mary, according to the flesh?

this is the right understanding from scriptures,why are you not understand it

That is not what the scripture states.

So, why should I understand it that way? It is the scriptures that dictate what I believe. If it says that, post the scripture and I will be convinced.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

I going to let Mike spell it to you ,I do not have his qualities

but what I said is true ,the only reasons why so many of us are seeing in the scriptures what they see and understand or believe what they assume to be true ,is based on the indoctrination in religion and have no will to drop all things like Paul did and become one with the truth that only comes from God and his son

June 1, 2014 at 11:41 pm#386131