First prophecy of the coming of christ

[Tim Kraft]

Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2010,10:57)

TK. Yes. God keeps record on every single moment and intention. It says in revelation that when Jesus comes he will reward each man according to what his conduct deserves.  Rev-22v12 “Remember I am coming soon! I bring with me the reward that will be given to each man as his conduct deserves”  I am trying to earn as much treasure in heaven as I can because it will last forever.  Out of those who make it to heaven, as it is written “the last will be first and the first will be last”  Those who only can see life in this world and put themselves first(but saved by believing and accepting Jesus as Lord) will not have as big as reward (see above) as those who devoted themselves totally to charity and love and doing good above everything else.Godbless

Mikeangel: Tell me, who would show greater love a person that does many good deeds on earth so as to recieve many crowns or rewards in Heaven or a person that gives helps kindness and love to all his earthly brothers and sisters straight from the love in his heart expecting nothing in return?
Rewards are for works! Salvation is by faith! Bless you, TK

[Tim Kraft]

Part of the way I see it for now.
For any who wish to know the old covenant passed away when Jesus came and effectively established the new covenant of God. Jesus came to the lost sinners to tell them the truth of God and preach the Kingdom of God was come for all who would accept it. Jesus said both the law and the prophets prophesied until John the baptist and since then, the Kingdom of God is preached. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done in earth (us) as it is done spiritually or accepted spiritually.
Jesus spoke Gods spirit words in parables, pictures, dreams. Only the spirit of God can reveal to you the Truth in this form. The truth is already within human beings. We must take away the dark veils that cover the truth. This is God revealing himself to us. The uncovering of the truth, God in us! At the end of the old covenant John the Baptist arose to prepare the way of the Lord. The new way of the Lord was Spirit/words/truth was close. To prepare the peoples minds for the new way to God, John performed a baptism or emersion of water on the people. It was a symbolic picture of washing the brain of the old way of thinking to prepare peoples minds for the new spirit way. There was no baptism in the old covenant. The old way of the law, works, rituals, sacrifices and sin were being washed away. He told the people, “I Baptize with physical water but the greater one cometh and he will Baptize with the Holy Ghost or the spirit words of God. According to Jesus, John was Elijah who was to come (Malachi4:5) before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Jesus baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire. The Holy Ghost is the blessing of God and the fire is to destroy the old covenant way to God and those who won’t let go of it. The new covenant is all Truth from God now to be contained within each individual human being that accepts. This is the baptism(emersion) of the Spirit. Instead of an H2O baptism it is a baptism of the washing of the water of the word of God which is Spirit(Eph.5:26). Jesus came to take away your sin and wash you Spiritually clean! You are the Temple of God(his word within), Jesus is your light, Jesus is your truth food, Jesus shows you the way to God, Jesus is your teacher, Jesus is the truth. Jesus is the door of the Temple. Jesus is the eternal sacrifice for cleansing of the Temple. Everything from God in the New Covenant that you accept is within the mind/heart. If we love God/Jesus we will keep/hold fast his words/spirit and God and Jesus will make their abode within us(John14:23). Then it is Christ in us the hope of glory. We now have the mind of Christ. In all knowledge of God seek understanding. You know when you receive revelation from the word, the light goes on within you. So there are great divisions amongst people as to right or wrong understandings of Gods words. The old way to try to get to God or to please or pacify God was taught through physical efforts. Trying, doing, not doing, not trying etc.! The New way to God(or the original way from the beginning) is through faith in the spirit words of God/Jesus. Jesus gave us the keys to the(non-physical) Kingdom of God. These are keys of understanding. One of the greatest foundational keys to unlock the New Testament Truth is timing. In the genealogies at the front of Matthew you will find groups of fourteen generations separating major events of God’s plan that led up to the end. The end of what? The earth and cosmos? NO! The end of the former religious order, the old covenant religious world and it’s ritualistic beliefs and laws about God. They were the lost sheep in sin. They couldn’t find God. Rituals, rules and laws took mans mind further and further away from God. Trying and working to please God was in error/sin. The end of the physical, brick and mortar Temple worship was at hand. The old physical temple was soon to be torn down(70ad or so). The New Covenant or True way to God was at hand, within reach, here, now. Gods eternal, Spirit words of Truth, were beginning to manifest within the heart of man. This was also the end of time. When the eternal, timeless words of God came, they are forever, that was the end of time. In the days of those kings(the Roman Empire) God will set up a Kingdom that will never end! No end! Jesus is the expressed word of God. All old covenant prophecy was until the time of Jesus’ ministry which is the establishment of the Kingdom of God which would rise up and never end. (Luke 16:16–Matt 11:13–Mark 1:15–Luke 24:25–Luke 24:44)- Here it is, JESUS CAME AT THE END OF THE OLD COVENANT RELIGIOUS WORLD ORDER! . Jesus was the fulfillment of all the law and the (Luke 24:44) prophets. The Sabbath rest spoken of before had now come. The jubilee had now arrived. The acceptable year of the Lord came. Malachi said, I will send Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of “the great and dreadful day of the Lord”! Jesus interpreted John the Baptist as Elijah who was to come just BEFORE the great and dreadful day of the Lord. The great and dreadful day of the Lord is great for believers of the words of Jesus but dreadful for those who continue in the old testament works to God. Jesus came to break the old covenant bond of chains that bind. Laws, rules, rituals etc. to get to God. Jesus set the captives free. This is now the Sabbath rest of God. Jesus came to end that religious world order of physical, brick and mortar Temple building worship, and the sin religion (mans ideas about God) that went with it! They were lost sheep that had gone astray and completely lost their connection with God. Sheep without a shepherd. Darkness covered the land. The light of Truth was nearly gone! Their minds were deluded with sin/error. They staggered like a drunk man, they were drunk with error/sin!
Then Jesus came with the Truth of God that would end the old world brick and mortar temple! The end of lies about God through deceptive religion! And, yes the Jewish hierarchy of the church, the leaders of the religious world hated him because the Truth was tearing down what they had built. Anyone that believed Jesus’ teachings was going the opposite direction of the religious order of that time. The Jews would have killed him themselves but couldn’t because it was against their Law to put a man to death so they insisted on the Government of the time to kill him. The Jewish leaders of that time, the highest religious men in the world insisted to have the Messiah, the Son of God, killed! These were the same self-proclaimed chosen of God. God is no respecter of persons and there never was a special bloodline chosen of God. Faith was the only true connection with God, then and always. Any and all human beings were chosen of God or connected to God by faith. God says he dwells within you, do you believe it? God says you have been made perfect, sinless, and blameless in his eyes, do you believe it? God says I love you without condition (unconditionally), do you believe it? There never was never ever a bloodline lineage. Connection to God by man was always by faith. By faith Abraham (a Hebrew) was righteous, Noah was righteous by believing God. All mankind for all time has connected to God by faith because God has always been in the heart of man from the beginning. Man fell away from God in his mind! Sin is an error of thinking. If one thinks he is separated from God by doing something or for any reason, then he is, in his mind separated but not in truth. It is an illusion of truth, not truth. How can you separate from God who is everywhere at all times? Ask yourself does God hear me when I pray? Yes! What if I am at work? Yes! How about on vacation? Yes! In the s
hower? Yes! Does God hear everybody, everywhere at all times? Then there is no place where God is not!! Yet if man isn’t aware of his oneness with God within he cannot share the Love and Power. God in Man together as ONE! If you don’t believe you are one with God, that is a sin! An error of thought. Then you would believe you and God are two, separated, not united as one! Just believe the truth, Jesus says we are one! God bless all, TK

[mikeangel]

TK, Forgive Me. This has nothing to do with the first phrophecy of the coming of Christ, I'm so sorry. Send me a message or start another thread and I will discuss it.Godbless

[RokkaMan]

Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23)

I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this…..

And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh.

I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them.

This however still does not support a trinity…

but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him.

[terraricca]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,13:01)

Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23) I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this….. And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh. I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them. This however still does not support a trinity… but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him.

rockman

reading to many books are not good for the soul,

some give you understanding some make you totally confused.

Pierre

[davidbfun]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,15:40)

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,13:01) Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23) I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this….. And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh. I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them. This however still does not support a trinity… but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him. rockman reading to many books are not good for the soul, some give you understanding some make you totally confused. Pierre

Hello Pierre and RM,

You are right that too many books confuse people because they aren't “true” in their entirety.  This is why they were omitted from being included in Scripture.

It is like us reading Stephen King and quoting from him. Quoting from Enoch or any other “lost” book doesn't make them “infallible”….only it acknowledges that they existed and people read them. 

Someone in the first pages brought up the first prophecy of the coming Christ as being in Gen 3:15 and I didn't see anything thereafter.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”  

We believe that “her seed” refers to Jesus, who is “your seed” referring to?

This is part of the first prophecy, no?

Jesus said that Satan is the devil, serpent of old and therefore he has to have a “seed” that will bruise Jesus so, was this “seed” Judas?  Or will he physically produce a “seed” that will be comparable to Jesus to “take him on”?

The Professor

[terraricca]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,19:43)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,15:40) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,13:01) Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23) I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this….. And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh. I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them. This however still does not support a trinity… but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him. rockman reading to many books are not good for the soul, some give you understanding some make you totally confused. Pierre Hello Pierre and RM, You are right that too many books confuse people because they aren't “true” in their entirety.  This is why they were omitted from being included in Scripture. It is like us reading Stephen King and quoting from him.  Quoting from Enoch or any other “lost” book doesn't make them “infallible”….only it acknowledges that they existed and people read them.  Someone in the first pages brought up the first prophecy of the coming Christ as being in Gen 3:15 and I didn't see anything thereafter. Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”   We believe that “her seed” refers to Jesus, who is “your seed” referring to? This is part of the first prophecy, no? Jesus said that Satan is the devil, serpent of old and therefore he has to have a “seed” that will bruise Jesus so, was this “seed” Judas?  Or will he physically produce a “seed” that will be comparable to Jesus to “take him on”? The Professor

hi DB

the seed other than Jesus and his fallowers and spoken in Gen-3;15 is the seed produced by Satan on the earth among men,that is all people who do not accept Jesus as savior(Gods appointed one)Judah iscariote being one of the seed of Satan.

Pierre

PS;you do not need other books than the bible,think that only the survival of this book is in it self a miracle of God.(check history)

[mikeangel]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,16:14)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,19:43) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,15:40) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,13:01) Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23) I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this….. And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh. I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them. This however still does not support a trinity… but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him. rockman reading to many books are not good for the soul, some give you understanding some make you totally confused. Pierre Hello Pierre and RM, You are right that too many books confuse people because they aren't “true” in their entirety.  This is why they were omitted from being included in Scripture. It is like us reading Stephen King and quoting from him.  Quoting from Enoch or any other “lost” book doesn't make them “infallible”….only it acknowledges that they existed and people read them.  Someone in the first pages brought up the first prophecy of the coming Christ as being in Gen 3:15 and I didn't see anything thereafter. Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”   We believe that “her seed” refers to Jesus, who is “your seed” referring to? This is part of the first prophecy, no? Jesus said that Satan is the devil, serpent of old and therefore he has to have a “seed” that will bruise Jesus so, was this “seed” Judas?  Or will he physically produce a “seed” that will be comparable to Jesus to “take him on”? The Professor hi DB the seed other than Jesus and his fallowers and spoken in Gen-3;15  is the seed produced by Satan on the earth among men,that is all people who do not accept Jesus as savior(Gods appointed one)Judah iscariote being one of the seed of Satan. Pierre PS;you do not need other books than the bible,think that only the survival of this book is in it self a miracle of God.(check history)

Blessings!  One thing  I would like to say is that I do not believe I need any other books than what is contained in the bible. However, I do believe that other books can “fill in the blanks”. For instance, I discovered this forum searching for the book of enoch. I read it first , and I was amazed by it. It didn't alter what I believe, but it added to it. I believe what it says about where demons come from and the way it describes the last judgement, and those things it says are compatable with the bible. I'm not afraid to read other things than the bible because I know the sprit of God in me will guide me. I've read things and the instant it doesn't follow what the bible teaches my mind tells me “This is bs” Also the things that
do not represent what is good. Kinda what happens when I read some things on here……….. Peace and love- Me

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 01 2010,19:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,16:14) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,19:43) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,15:40) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,13:01) Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23) I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this….. And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh. I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them. This however still does not support a trinity… but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him. rockman reading to many books are not good for the soul, some give you understanding some make you totally confused. Pierre Hello Pierre and RM, You are right that too many books confuse people because they aren't “true” in their entirety.  This is why they were omitted from being included in Scripture. It is like us reading Stephen King and quoting from him.  Quoting from Enoch or any other “lost” book doesn't make them “infallible”….only it acknowledges that they existed and people read them.  Someone in the first pages brought up the first prophecy of the coming Christ as being in Gen 3:15 and I didn't see anything thereafter. Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”   We believe that “her seed” refers to Jesus, who is “your seed” referring to? This is part of the first prophecy, no? Jesus said that Satan is the devil, serpent of old and therefore he has to have a “seed” that will bruise Jesus so, was this “seed” Judas?  Or will he physically produce a “seed” that will be comparable to Jesus to “take him on”? The Professor hi DB the seed other than Jesus and his fallowers and spoken in Gen-3;15  is the seed produced by Satan on the earth among men,that is all people who do not accept Jesus as savior(Gods appointed one)Judah iscariote being one of the seed of Satan. Pierre PS;you do not need other books than the bible,think that only the survival of this book is in it self a miracle of God.(check history) Blessings!  One thing  I would like to say is that I do not believe I need any other books than what is contained in the bible. However, I do believe that other books can “fill in the blanks”. For instance, I discovered this forum searching for the book of enoch. I read it first , and I was amazed by it. It didn't alter what I believe, but it added to it. I believe what it says about where demons come from and the way it describes the last judgement, and those things it says are compatable with the bible. I'm not afraid to read other things than the bible because I know the sprit of God in me will guide me. I've read things and the instant it doesn't follow what the bible teaches my mind tells me “This is bs” Also the things that do not represent what is good. Kinda what happens when I read some things on here……….. Peace and love- Me

MA
you will see in time wen you went trough all the books you choose to read ,you will agree with me but for now you are ok,

what you must look in scriptures is the truth of God,what is said but understand what is not said and why? it is not said ,and also why ? it is said.
do not add anything to it wen you read it ,but make sure you understand what it says.
this also we all should do is read the total bible from first to last page,we should read it at the least three time,but not in the order of the bible has you chose and feel to do it.in this way God spirit can help you.

Pierre

[mikeangel]

Pierre,   I did that, and it open my eyes to a lot. After my dad died in 07, I wanted to find out if there was a truer faith in God than the one I was attending. I started by reading the entire bible from the beginning to the end. #1 I found that there is no church that totally follows the bible. and #2 I found things that I didn't know was there. One thing that really entertained me was the talking ass that Ballam? was riding. I was really searching for answers then, and every day that week I left for work I would grab my dog Bonnie by the face and ask “Does God want me to know anything today?”. She would just wag her tail and lick me. I thought “don't be stupid self, theres alot more important things than your indecision about churches”.  One thing I would ask you- In the reformation, luther pulled 7 books out of the bible (old testament) Luther also eliminated  Hebrews, James, Jude,  and the Apocalypse from the New testament. Curious question, did he have the authority to do that? After that who had the authority to re-insert the ones he eliminated from the New testament and still left out the ones from the old? (Tobit , Judith, /Wisdom,Sirach, Baruch, 1 and 2 maccabees and parts of Daniel and Ester) Do you think his spirit is broken over the church that bears his name starting to break apart like the episcopals over homosexuality? Does that signal that his breakoff was flawed? In my opinion he was dead right about alot of things, and his thesis he nailed to the church was mostly correct, and the church officals were arrogant and drunk with power, but what about the things he left behind from the church like the lords preyer? Just wondering…..Peace

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 02 2010,05:08)

Pierre,   I did that, and it open my eyes to a lot. After my dad died in 07, I wanted to find out if there was a truer faith in God than the one I was attending. I started by reading the entire bible from the beginning to the end. #1 I found that there is no church that totally follows the bible. and #2 I found things that I didn't know was there. One thing that really entertained me was the talking ass that Ballam? was riding. I was really searching for answers then, and every day that week I left for work I would grab my dog Bonnie by the face and ask “Does God want me to know anything today?”. She would just wag her tail and lick me. I thought “don't be stupid self, theres alot more important things than your indecision about churches”.  One thing I would ask you- In the reformation, luther pulled 7 books out of the bible (old testament) Luther also eliminated  Hebrews, James, Jude,  and the Apocalypse from the New testament. Curious question, did he have the authority to do that? After that who had the authority to re-insert the ones he eliminated from the New testament and still left out the ones from the old? (Tobit , Judith, /Wisdom,Sirach, Baruch, 1 and 2 maccabees and parts of Daniel and Ester) Do you think his spirit is broken over the church that bears his name starting to break apart like the episcopals over homosexuality? Does that signal that his breakoff was flawed? In my opinion he was dead right about alot of things, and his thesis he nailed to the church was mostly correct, and the church officals were arrogant and drunk with power, but what about the things he left behind from the church like the lords preyer? Just wondering…..Peace

MA

Luther and others like him ,where not driven by God to do Good ,but God used them to fulfil his will,if you read the total history about those men you can see why ,they have done what they did.
it is all men made goals.
we all have to travel this earth either with or without God that's our choice.
I have chosen to go with my God as described in the bible with out the apocrypha books those books are only the reflect of those who as written them.

Pierre

[terraricca]

hi Mik ang

as for balaam ;;2Pe 2:15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness.
Rev 2:14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.

there is today many false teachers who are only interested in power and money ,they would tell anything to people so much they are corrupt.
so stick to the scriptures and ask God for guidance.

remember at the end of it all ,we all stand the judgement of God ALONE FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE OR NOT DONE.

may God bless my friend.

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23)

I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this…..

First prophecy of the coming of Christ.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Georg

[mikeangel]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 15 2010,06:01)

Quote (Maranatha @ Nov. 29 2009,14:23) I'm not real sure what to think about the “lost”  books of the Bible….I know that some people say that they should have been left in, and others say that they mean nothing at all.  It's interesting that in the Bible, Jude quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, and then the book of Jasher was mentioned in the OT.   So who knows whether they should be in there or not?   I'm unsure, but to me, they are an interesting read. I was reading the lost book of Adam and Eve….and came across this, which is quoted as being the very first prophecy of the coming of Christ, after Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden!  Fascinating, whoever wrote it!  Note verse 4-5 especially! “Chapter XIV    The earliest prophesy of the coming of Christ. 1 Then Adam said to God: “O Lord, take You my soul, and let me not see this gloom any more; or remove me to some place where there is no darkness.” 2 But God the Lord said to Adam, “Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it — in the kingdom of heaven.” 3 Again said God to Adam, “All this misery that you have been made to take on yourself because of your transgression, will not free you from the hand of Satan, and will not save you. 4 But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of your descendants, and take on Myself the infirmity from which you suffer, then the darkness that covered you in this cave shall cover Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of your descendants. 5 And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save you.” 6 And God ceased to commune with Adam. * Reference: John 12:46 Just wondered what everyone else thought about this….. And people get mad at me when I try to explain Jesus is in fact God in flesh. I hadn't read the lost books, but it's good to know original bible books back up what I've learned without them. This however still does not support a trinity… but I believe Jesus is God in flesh, and that God died on the cross…in flesh, no spirit…to reconcile mankind back to him.

RM, I'm not wanting to start a debate but in reading this I just wanted to ponder- You yourself right now, are you not flesh with sprit inside you? To your view, which I agree with, if Jesus was God incarnate would not the sprit inside him, plus his own identity, being incarnate God, would that not make him incarnate God total of all three?

[mikeangel]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 02 2010,01:52)

Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 02 2010,05:08) Pierre,   I did that, and it open my eyes to a lot. After my dad died in 07, I wanted to find out if there was a truer faith in God than the one I was attending. I started by reading the entire bible from the beginning to the end. #1 I found that there is no church that totally follows the bible. and #2 I found things that I didn't know was there. One thing that really entertained me was the talking ass that Ballam? was riding. I was really searching for answers then, and every day that week I left for work I would grab my dog Bonnie by the face and ask “Does God want me to know anything today?”. She would just wag her tail and lick me. I thought “don't be stupid self, theres alot more important things than your indecision about churches”.  One thing I would ask you- In the reformation, luther pulled 7 books out of the bible (old testament) Luther also eliminated  Hebrews, James, Jude,  and the Apocalypse from the New testament. Curious question, did he have the authority to do that? After that who had the authority to re-insert the ones he eliminated from the New testament and still left out the ones from the old? (Tobit , Judith, /Wisdom,Sirach, Baruch, 1 and 2 maccabees and parts of Daniel and Ester) Do you think his spirit is broken over the church that bears his name starting to break apart like the episcopals over homosexuality? Does that signal that his breakoff was flawed? In my opinion he was dead right about alot of things, and his thesis he nailed to the church was mostly correct, and the church officals were arrogant and drunk with power, but what about the things he left behind from the church like the lords preyer? Just wondering…..Peace MA Luther and others like him ,where not driven by God to do Good ,but God used them to fulfil his will,if you read the total history about those men you can see why ,they have done what they did. it is all men made goals. we all have to travel this earth either with or without God that's our choice. I have chosen to go with my God as described in the bible with out the apocrypha books those books are only the reflect of those who as written them. Pierre

Terracia, The book of Wisdom is inspired. I know you do not believe that, but it is. Moses said that if someone makes a prophecy and it comes true that he is inspired, but if not do not fear them. The 14 th chapter of wisdom describes the origin and evils of idolatry, down to an exact description of what would happen with Elvis, and then describes society today to a T. We can agree to disagree, but direct fulfillment of prophecy is something that gives validity to me. Godbless

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 14 2010,04:53)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 02 2010,01:52) Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 02 2010,05:08) Pierre,   I did that, and it open my eyes to a lot. After my dad died in 07, I wanted to find out if there was a truer faith in God than the one I was attending. I started by reading the entire bible from the beginning to the end. #1 I found that there is no church that totally follows the bible. and #2 I found things that I didn't know was there. One thing that really entertained me was the talking ass that Ballam? was riding. I was really searching for answers then, and every day that week I left for work I would grab my dog Bonnie by the face and ask “Does God want me to know anything today?”. She would just wag her tail and lick me. I thought “don't be stupid self, theres alot more important things than your indecision about churches”.  One thing I would ask you- In the reformation, luther pulled 7 books out of the bible (old testament) Luther also eliminated  Hebrews, James, Jude,  and the Apocalypse from the New testament. Curious question, did he have the authority to do that? After that who had the authority to re-insert the ones he eliminated from the New testament and still left out the ones from the old? (Tobit , Judith, /Wisdom,Sirach, Baruch, 1 and 2 maccabees and parts of Daniel and Ester) Do you think his spirit is broken over the church that bears his name starting to break apart like the episcopals over homosexuality? Does that signal that his breakoff was flawed? In my opinion he was dead right about alot of things, and his thesis he nailed to the church was mostly correct, and the church officals were arrogant and drunk with power, but what about the things he left behind from the church like the lords preyer? Just wondering…..Peace MA Luther and others like him ,where not driven by God to do Good ,but God used them to fulfil his will,if you read the total history about those men you can see why ,they have done what they did. it is all men made goals. we all have to travel this earth either with or without God that's our choice. I have chosen to go with my God as described in the bible with out the apocrypha books those books are only the reflect of those who as written them. Pierre Terracia,  The book of Wisdom is inspired. I know you do not believe that, but it is. Moses said that if someone makes a prophecy and it comes true that he is inspired, but if not do not fear them. The 14 th chapter of wisdom describes the origin and evils of idolatry, down to an exact description of what would happen with Elvis, and then describes society today to a T. We can agree to disagree, but direct fulfillment of prophecy is something that gives validity to me. Godbless

MA

i can not and will not stop you in your decision to do what you feel to do,

but if i tell you that all men die and some will die young and some old;;;is this a prophesy ??

or wen car first were invented ,i would say there will be many who will die from car accidents ,would i be a prophet

or is this only common sense of a reality ,like at noon i will eat my lunch.

think about it

Pierre

[mikeangel]

I thought about it. What I came to is that a person who created the atmosphere in Germany that he did (he preached that the jews should be murdered) which was a main factor behind the holocaust, and also secretly approved a marriage in bigamy, and told the person to lie about it, would not be someone I personally would give the athority to decide what would or would not be in the bible. Also there are too many things in wisdom that have been fulfilled to be mere chance. Unbelievers use your understanding and reasoning to nullify God. Just sayin'. Peace

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 15 2010,06:19)

I thought about it. What I came to is that a person who created the atmosphere in Germany that he did (he preached that the jews should be murdered) which was a main factor behind the holocaust, and also secretly approved a marriage in bigamy, and told the person to lie about it, would not be someone I personally would give the athority to decide what would or would not be in the bible. Also there are too many things in wisdom that have been fulfilled to be mere chance. Unbelievers use your understanding and reasoning to nullify God.  Just sayin'. Peace

MA

i believe you got the wrong person in your answer,

and for your info being religious does not mean to be approved by God,

Pierre

[mikeangel]

You are not answering my question friend. Who desides that? Martin Luther? You ? The Pope? King James? The sprit inside me telling me whats right? Peace.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Sep. 15 2010,15:10)

You are not answering my question friend. Who desides that? Martin Luther? You ? The Pope? King James? The sprit inside me telling me whats right? Peace.

MA

yes it is, going left or right.

Pierre

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