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  • #63739
    michaels
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    all right laurel!!!!!! GOD is our only teacher,for he is the TRUTH, may he lead you into all TRUTH, hi not3n1 yes me have wittness of these things,so they are true,the father is my witness,and he is with me,this makes two,and according to your law,the word of two is TRUTH.let every man be a liar,and GOD the TRUTH.

    #64872
    Not3in1
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    Laurel, I've been doing some research on the Feasts and came accross this. If you have some time, would you mind giving me your opinon on their understanding of the Feasts? It's from a Biblical Unitarian site that I study from ocassionally. Thanks!
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    Consider this: if Christians are to keep the feasts of Judaism, should they not keep the whole Law? In Galatians 5:3, Paul says just that, substituting “circumcision” as the part of the Law in question. Take a good look at verses 1-15 in order to get the whole context, and to see what Paul (writing by revelation from Jesus Christ) thinks about Christians being put under any part of the old Mosaic Law. If we are to keep the feasts, what about animal sacrifices to worship God? No, Christians are not required to keep these laws.

    The epistle to the Hebrews is one of the earlier epistles, and was written primarily to ex-Jewish Christians, many of whom were still clinging to their old ways. In Hebrews 7-10, God works hard to show them that the ceremonial aspects of the Mosaic Law were no longer applicable. For example: (7:18 and 19) “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God;” (9:9 and 10) “[The Tabernacle was] an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order;” (10:1) “The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—and not the realities themselves…” Amen.

    Some Christians who do not understand the administrations in Scripture [For a chart on the Administrations click here.], and who thus believe we should observe the Jewish feasts, etc., cite Matthew 5:17-19, where Jesus said that he had not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. First, TO WHOM was he speaking? Jews. The Mosaic Law never did have anything to do with Christians. A key phrase in what Jesus said in Matthew 5:18 is that nothing would disappear from the Law “until everything is accomplished.” Jesus did accomplish everything he needed to relative to the Levitical Law, and that is why it is no longer in effect. Today, we have no Temple, no Levites, no Aaronite priests, no animal sacrifices, etc. For both Jews and Gentiles, adhering to Romans 10:9 is the only way to salvation. When either does so, he is then “neither Jew nor Gentile” (Gal. 3:28), but a Christian, a member of the Body of Christ.

    Remember Hebrews 10:1 (above)? The Law was not the reality to which God looked forward. Then remember what Colossians 2:17 said about the festivals and holidays? “These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” In that light, consider the following verses:

    1 Corinthians 5:6-8 (NKJV)
    (6) Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
    (7) Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
    (8) Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    What’s the point? That because of the finished work of Jesus Christ, and his giving the gift of holy spirit on the Day of Pentecost, believers today (“Christians”) are unique in the annals of spiritual history. If you have made Jesus Christ your Lord and believed that God raised him from the dead, you are born again of God’s spirit and forever righteous in His sight. IN CHRIST, you have been cleansed of sin from the inside out. The Redeemer to whom the Old Testament feasts and rituals pointed now lives in your heart. There is no ritual or work you need to do in order to stand approved before your heavenly Father. Knowing your standing as a son of God should make every day worth celebrating!
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    The last sentence is gripping.

    Also, the arlicle said that our righteousness doesn't come fromthe Law, it comes because we were saved in Christ (Ro. 10:9,10).

    Grace doesn't set the Law aside. Grace is provided under the Law. For example; God says the wagesof sin is death (Ro. 6:23). But Grace provides a substitute – Jesus died in our place. The strict law would say that we should die for our sin.

    Anyway, my study continues……:)

    #64876
    IM4Truth
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    not3in1 AMEN AND AMEN TO THAT

    Peace and Love Mrs.

    #64885
    Not3in1
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    Ephesians 2:10

    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    I think everyone agrees that keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath and the Feasts do not save us? In other words, we cannot boast of keeping these things because it brings about our salvation, surely.

    #64916
    942767
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    Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 27 2007,17:38)
    Ephesians 2:10

    For by grace you have been saved through faith.  And this is not of your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    I think everyone agrees that keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath and the Feasts do not save us?  In other words, we cannot boast of keeping these things because it brings about our salvation, surely.


    Hi Not3in1:

    Whatever works we do is out of our love for God and for humanity.

    We are saved by grace meaning that we did not earn our salvation through perfect obedience to God's eternal law, the Ten Commandments.

    However, grace does not say that we do not have to strive to obey the Commandments that have come from God to us through our Lord Jesus.  It means that we make mistakes along the way.  If it were not for the blood which cleanses us from our sin when we make a mistake, we could not be saved.

    All of God's commandments are for our good and are not grievous.  Is not the principle of resting on the seventh day after six consequtive days a good thing?  The body and our mental and emotional faculties need to be rested and refreshed.  I do not believe that we need to be in bondage to the day by adding all kind of restricitons like the Pharisees did.  God intended this as a good thing so that we could set aside a day of rest.

    I do not believe that keeping the feasts is a requirement in that in the body of Christ these feasts have been fulfilled or are being fulfilled.

    The Lord does ask us to remember his death by celebrating communion.  

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    1 Corinthians 11:23-34
    23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in F38 remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

    Also, we as born again Christians may be shown as celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles when we go and worship God with fellow believers.  Our flesh bodies are the temporary until we receive our spiritual bodies at the coming of the Lord for the church.

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    Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    It would be very difficult for every one of all nations to go to the literal city of Jerusalem, and so I believe that this probably means “New Jerusalem”.  We as born again believers are the “city that is set on a hill”.  When we go and worship with fellow believers we are that city.

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    .Matt 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, F9 but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    Relative to being saved by grace, I thought the following scriptures may help.

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    Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

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    John 1:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    God Bless

    #64928
    Laurel
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    Rather than going into a bunch of detail that cannot be understood by most at this point, I will simply say we are commanded to follow our Master Y'ashua Messiah, that is IF He is your Master. Y'shua kept the Feasts of YHWH. Y'shua kept the Sabbath of YHWH. Y'shua preached the “good news” of the kingdom. Y'shua was faithful to YHWH to the end.

    Knowing He fulfilled the sacrifice of Passover and He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, we then know that we no longer sacrifice animals for the shadow that the sacrifices represented are fulfilled. BUT and I say again BUT, we come to the Feast to celebrate our Messiah, and what He did for us, and to “remember” what our Elohim did for us, providing His Son for our gain.

    ALL is not fulfilled. We keep the Feasts in rememberance and in looking ahead to the kingdom.

    Simple.
    Love,
    Laurel

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