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Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 06 2007,12:41)
Mr. Steve,Grace did not come to us when Y'shua was murdered. Grace has always been there for the children of Elohim.
Grace is not a licence to sin, and if you think differently, may Elohim have mercy on your soul.
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Grace did not come to us when Y'shua was murdered. Grace has always been there for the children of Elohim.If the children of the Old testament had “forgiveness” of sin then Pentecost would have been fulfilled much eariler. And there would not have been need for Jesus to die.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.I don't see how you separate the feast from the offering?
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
You say that the law that was nailed to the cross were man's law, the laws of the Pharisees. But in the above scripture Jesus says “concerning me”. Was He not the Lamb of God?
“Why the Feasts'? is your main question, based on your findings, we should no longer celebrate the Feasts, since Y'shua fulfilled the Passover as the once and for all sacrifice.
There are treasures greater thatn gold within the Sabbaths of the Feasts. First of all if you do not rest on the weekly Sabbath it will be beyond your grasp to see what the treasures are.
If you DO see the significance of the weekly Sabbath, then you know that the law still stands and you are doing your best to guard it.
If you understand that man's traditions caused the Sabbath to be changed from the 7th day to the 1st day, by the power of the church, and you know that the church does not have the power to change anything about His perfect instructions, then we can continue. If you do not understand these things so far, I pray that you will.
There is no need for me to continue with teaching the significance of the Feasts of YHWH unless you have the basics (the milk)first.
The sacrifices were concerning Y'shua as our Messiah. The yearly sacrifices of bulls, goats, etc. are no more because He fulfilled those yearly sacrifices.
There is much more to the Feasts than the sacrifices, although we are required to come to the Feasts with “white robes”, we come to the Father washed clean of our sins through the sacrifice Y'shua Messiah fulfilled, yea we come to the Feast free from sin, before YHWH our Elohim.
Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 08 2007,05:43) “Why the Feasts'? is your main question, based on your findings, we should no longer celebrate the Feasts, since Y'shua fulfilled the Passover as the once and for all sacrifice. There are treasures greater thatn gold within the Sabbaths of the Feasts. First of all if you do not rest on the weekly Sabbath it will be beyond your grasp to see what the treasures are.
If you DO see the significance of the weekly Sabbath, then you know that the law still stands and you are doing your best to guard it.
If you understand that man's traditions caused the Sabbath to be changed from the 7th day to the 1st day, by the power of the church, and you know that the church does not have the power to change anything about His perfect instructions, then we can continue. If you do not understand these things so far, I pray that you will.
There is no need for me to continue with teaching the significance of the Feasts of YHWH unless you have the basics (the milk)first.
One question?Why did Peter say Paul's writings are hard to understand?
2Peter 3:15-17And I do keep the Sabbath “correctly” not by the letter of the law but by the Spirit.
When the apostles were “caught” picking corn on the Sabbath what did the Lord say?
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.Why were the apostle allowed by Jesus to pick corn on the Sabbath? Did not the apostles and Jesus Himself know when the prepration day was?
The LORD of the Sabbath made it, as well as the other nine, Spiritual.
Do you have scripture to support your theory of the ordnances nailed to the cross were just the “add on” laws of the Pharisees?
If what you say is true I WANT TO KNOW! But I can't just accept what you say because you said it!
Prove all things I believe the scripture says
IHN&L,
Ken
Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,06:27) When is the Sabbath? Friday night until Saturday night? Friday only? Saturday only? Sunday – uh-oh! 
You don't keep Father's day?
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 08 2007,11:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,06:27) When is the Sabbath? Friday night until Saturday night? Friday only? Saturday only? Sunday – uh-oh!
You don't keep Father's day?
Hi:Isn't that sometime in June?
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2007,15:36) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 08 2007,11:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,06:27) When is the Sabbath? Friday night until Saturday night? Friday only? Saturday only? Sunday – uh-oh!
You don't keep Father's day?
Hi:Isn't that sometime in June?
Call no man your Father. But He that is in heaven. Funny how people will keep their earthly father's day but not their Spiritual Father's day.They won't keep their Father's Day but will keep pagan holIdays
When some refuse to keep the father's Day then they keep the harlet's day. Even if they keep no day at all.
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 08 2007,16:03) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2007,15:36) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 08 2007,11:32) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 08 2007,06:27) When is the Sabbath? Friday night until Saturday night? Friday only? Saturday only? Sunday – uh-oh!
You don't keep Father's day?
Hi:Isn't that sometime in June?
Call no man your Father. But He that is in heaven. Funny how people will keep their earthly father's day but not their Spiritual Father's day.They won't keep their Father's Day but will keep pagan holIdays
When some refuse to keep the father's Day then they keep the harlet's day. Even if they keep no day at all.
Hi Ken:I'm happy that you are striving to obey God's Word.
God Bless
how can you quote hebrews as truth,when whoever wrote this made a false god,melchiz'edec ,with no beginning or end of days, GOD is the only one with no beginning or ending,and there is only one true GOD, also your god mel sounds weak needing abram to save him,so now we have made god sound so weak that he would need man to save him, by believing this as truth!!!hmmm GOD saves get it strait!!!!! who is your GOD !!!!
Exo 20:9 Six8337 days3117 shalt thou labor,5647 and do6213 all3605 thy work:4399
Exo 20:10 But the seventh7637 day3117 is the sabbath7676 of the LORD3068 thy God:430 in it thou shalt not3808 do6213 any3605 work,4399 thou,859 nor thy son,1121 nor thy daughter,1323 thy manservant,5650 nor thy maidservant,519 nor thy cattle,929 nor thy stranger1616 that834 is within thy gates:8179
Exo 20:11 For3588 in six8337 days3117 the LORD3068 made6213 (853) heaven8064 and earth,776 (853) the sea,3220 and all3605 that834 in them is, and rested5117 the seventh7637 day:3117 wherefore5921, 3651 the LORD3068 blessed1288 the (853) sabbath7676 day,3117 and hallowed6942 it.The 1st day of the week is Sunday, this has never changed.
A day according to Elohim begins at evening.
Gen 1:5 And God430 called7121 the light216 Day,3117 and the darkness2822 he called7121 Night.3915 And the evening6153 and the morning1242 were1961 the first259 day.3117
Gen 1:13 And the evening6153 and the morning1242 were1961 the third7992 day.3117
Gen 1:19 And the evening6153 and the morning1242 were1961 the fourth7243 day.3117
So according to Elohim the day begins at sunset.
This is especially important to not when Y'shua prooved He was the Messiah. He said:
Mat 12:40 For1063 as5618 Jonah2495 was2258 three5140 days2250 and2532 three5140 nights3571 in1722 the3588 whale's2785 belly;2836 so3779 shall the3588 Son5207 of man444 be2071 three5140 days2250 and2532 three5140 nights3571 in1722 the3588 heart2588 of the3588 earth.1093And from Jonah we see:
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD3068 had prepared4487 a great1419 fish1709 to swallow up1104 (853) Jonah.3124 And Jonah3124 was1961 in the belly4578 of the fish1709 three7969 days3117 and three7969 nights.3915Y'shua also made it clear there were 24 hours in one evening to evening period.
Joh 11:9 Jesus2424 answered,611 Are1526 there not3780 twelve1427 hours5610 in the3588 day?2250 If1437 any man5100 walk4043 in1722 the3588 day,2250 he stumbleth4350 not,3756 because3754 he seeth991 the3588 light5457 of this5127 world.2889
“Stumbleth” here is a clue He left for us. Don't forget these words. He is saying it is important to know that there is 12 hours in a day and so 12 hours in a night.
We need to believe Him.
Exo 31:13 Speak1696 thou859 also unto413 the children1121 of Israel,3478 saying,559 Verily389 (853) my sabbaths7676 ye shall keep:8104 for3588 it1931 is a sign226 between996 me and you throughout your generations;1755 that ye may know3045 that3588 I589 am the LORD3068 that doth sanctify6942 you.Num 16:28 And Moses4872 said,559 Hereby2063 ye shall know3045 that3588 the LORD3068 hath sent7971 me to do6213 (853) all3605 these428 works;4639 for3588 I have not3808 done them of mine own mind.4480,
Mat 24:20 But1161 pray4336 ye that2443 your5216 flight5437 be1096 not3361 in the winter,5494 neither3366 on1722 the sabbath day:4521
Mat 11:28 Come1205 unto4314 me,3165 all3956 ye that labor2872 and2532 are heavy laden,5412 and I2504 will give you rest.373, 5209
Heb 3:18 And1161 to whom5101 swore3660 he that they should not3361 enter1525 into1519 his848 rest,2663 but1508 to them that believed not?544
*Those who do not believe, do not rest on the Sabbath.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore3767 fear,5399 lest,3379 a promise1860 being left2641 us of entering1525 into1519 his846 rest,2663 any5100 of1537 you5216 should seem1380 to come short5302 of it.
Heb 4:2 For1063 unto us(2532) was the gospel preached,2070, 2097 as well as2509 unto them:2548 but235 the3588 word3056 preached189 did not3756 profit5623 them,1565 not3361 being mixed with4786 faith4102 in them that heard191 it.
Heb 4:3 For1063 we which have believed4100 do enter1525 into1519 rest,2663 as2531 he said,2046 As5613 I have sworn3660 in1722 my3450 wrath,3709 if1487 they shall enter1525 into1519 my3450 rest:2663 although2543 the3588 works2041 were finished1096 from575 the foundation2602 of the world.2889*These Hebrews heard the gospel and believed and they rest on the Sabbath, because of their faith.
Psa 94:11 The LORD3068 knoweth3045 the thoughts4284 of man,120 that3588 they1992 are vanity.1892
Psa 94:12 Blessed835 is the man1397 whom834 thou chastenest,3256 O LORD,3050 and teachest3925 him out of thy law;4480, 8451
Psa 94:13 That thou mayest give him rest8252 from the days4480, 3117 of adversity,7451 until5704 the pit7845 be digged3738 for the wicked.7563
Psa 94:14 For3588 the LORD3068 will not3808 cast off5203 his people,5971 neither3808 will he forsake5800 his inheritance.5159
Psa 94:15 But3588 judgment4941 shall return7725 unto5704 righteousness:6664 and all3605 the upright3477 in heart3820 shall follow310 it.
Psa 94:16 Who4310 will rise up6965 for me against5973 the evildoers?7489 or who4310 will stand up3320 for me against5973 the workers6466 of iniquity?205
Psa 94:17 Unless3884 the LORD3068 had been my help,5833 my soul5315 had almost4592 dwelt7931 in silence.1745
Psa 94:18 When518 I said,559 My foot7272 slippeth;4131 thy mercy,2617 O LORD,3068 held me up.5582Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear3372 every man376 his mother,517 and his father,1 and keep8104 my sabbaths:7676 I589 am the LORD3068 your God.430
*Here is two commands written together.
Exo 20:12 Honor3513 (853) thy father1 and thy mother:517 that4616 thy days3117 may be long748 upon5921 the land127 which834 the LORD3068 thy God430 giveth5414 thee.Lev 26:43 The land776 also shall be left5800 of4480 them, and shall enjoy7521 (853) her sabbaths,7676 while she lieth desolate8074 without4480 them: and they1992 shall accept7521 (853) of the punishment of their iniquity:5771 because,3282 even because3282 they despised3988 my judgments,4941 and because their soul5315 abhorred1602 my statutes.2708
*If we do not keep His Sabbaths like Israel chose not to, we will also be made to learn them the hard way.2Ch 2:4 Behold,2009 I589 build1129 a house1004 to the name8034 of the LORD3068 my God,430 to dedicate6942 it to him, and to burn6999 before6440 him sweet5561 incense,7004 and for the continual8548 shewbread,4635 and for the burnt offerings5930 morning1242 and evening,6153 on the sabbaths,7676 and on the new moons,2320 and on the solemn feasts4150 of the LORD3068 our God.430 This2063 is an ordinance forever5769 to5921 Israel.3478
*These offerings are tithes, food for the Levitical priests. The blood sacrifices were fulfilled by the Messiah. We still celebrate the Feasts but now our garments are made white by His blood.Think about the wedding feast parable. Will you be ready for the groom on wedding day? Will you even show up for the wedding? If you don't show up, and you are brought in, will you be wearing a wedding garment, or will you be kicked out of the feast for being unprepared?
The Sabbath command is the one most ignored and misunderstood. It is the only one that really seems to have no significance to the fleshy mind. Satan uses this as a means to keep us following the commands, by tempting us to “forget” the Sabbath.
All the Sabbaths are a sign between Elohim and His children.
On the Sabbath we are able to hear Elohim speak.
I have learned many things on the Sabbaths. Now that I obey the forth command, I would never want to stop. It is a joy to celebrate the Sabbaths. It is something I look forward to each week.
I am learning to be ready for the coming of my Master Y'shua Messiah on the Sabbath. It teaches me to prepare. The Sabbath Sets me apart from non believers.
me dont believe in much other than the 10 commandments,not because of pauls wrightings,but because me dont believe god was talking after ex 24:8, until much latter thru prophets,for god said audibley the 10 commandments,not to make any vain things from heaven or earth,and that he would send an angle with gods name in him,god could not say make the ark or the tabernacle,for he is not a liar,but this angle did,and they worshiped the host of heaven/tabernacle of molec for 40 years in the wild,pride goes before the fall ,this is a good leson for us all,for this angle built up moses pride by saying these are your people who you brought out with a strong hand.god is love!!! not a murderer as soon as moses came down the mountain he said everyone murder your brother,also against GOD!!! for GOD said DO not murder,hmmm,god also said to moses that his enimies would not be able to face them, but have there backs to them, the angle in the cleft of the rock who called out the name of the LORD couldent face moses,because he was moses enemy,and latter moses could not face israel,for he was there enemy,this is why he had to ware a vail,there is one who will accuse you even moses in whom you trust,the accuser of the brethern was cast down to earth with all his angles,these must be the spirits who enterd in thru oil to help make the vain ark while israel was under sin,that the man of sin could sit in the temple of god and pretend to be GOD,declairing himself to be god, our real GOD couldent even fit one ounce of his glory into that fake tabernacle made with mens hands,and even if he could go in,why would he when he has real cherabs,for he made everything,can we put him in a box,let alone a faKE box,GOD is the TRUTH the LIGHT the LIFE , and everything GOOD.praise you FATHER ,thank you jesus
for GOD does not change,he is the same yesterday today and forever,he has no shadow of turning,and if this is GOD after ex 24 :8 than me dont want anything to do with him,why would me want to spend forever with a liar,so if this is GOD so be it, burn me up, kill me. because me dont want you anyways,me would rather get destroyed than to have to spend one minute with a liar, let alone for eternity.
Michaels,
If you are sure of the Sabbaths, then you must be sure that there are Set-apart Sabbaths within the Feasts.Elohim shows Himself to His people in these appointed times. He made the Sun and the moon and the starts for these appointed times. If there were no Feasts or Sabbaths, there would be no need for the sun or the moon. We could go along as if every day was the same. According to YHWH they are His Sabbaths and His Feasts.
Gen 26:5 Because6118 that834 Abraham85 obeyed8085 my voice,6963 and kept8104 my charge,4931 my commandments,4687 my statutes,2708 and my laws.8451
Lev 23:2 Speak1696 unto413 the children1121 of Israel,3478 and say559 unto413 them, Concerning the feasts4150 of the LORD,3068 which834, (853) ye shall proclaim7121 to be holy6944 convocations,4744 even these428 are my feasts.4150
Michael S. You speak about Moses as if you have never sinned. I know that Moses was kept from the kingdom in the world because He smote the rock with his staff two times and YHWH did not command that. He was supposed to say the words only.
Far be it from me to say he will not see the kingdom of heaven. It never says that in Scripture. I think he received his punishment already, while he was still alive, so that he wouldn't be kept out of the heavenly kingdom.
Mat 8:4 And2532 Jesus2424 saith3004 unto him,846 See3708 thou tell2036 no man;3367 but235 go thy way,5217 show1166 thyself4572 to the3588 priest,2409 and2532 offer4374 the3588 gift1435 that3739 Moses3475 commanded,4367 for1519 a testimony3142 unto them.846
Why would the Messiah tell us to keep the commands that Moses gave, if Mose wer of no significance?
god did give feasts and days ,like the passover to keep in rememberance,some truly are from the father of lights,ask him he will lead you into all truth for he is the truth.
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