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Gene/Mandy,
Yes, that is how I see it too and supported by scriptures too,
we are to move on from fear and to overcome.
It also says that the fearful have their part in the lake of fire Rev 21:8
Hi MK,
Indeed worldly fear must not be allowed to paralyse.
Fear of God urges on and motivates.Heb12
12Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;13And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hi mk,
This is our faithful service.
Ps 123
Psalm 123
1Unto thee lift I up mine eyes, O thou that dwellest in the heavens.2Behold, as the eyes of servants look unto the hand of their masters, and as the eyes of a maiden unto the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait upon the LORD our God, until that he have mercy upon us.
3Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us: for we are exceedingly filled with contempt.
4Our soul is exceedingly filled with the scorning of those that are at ease, and with the contempt of the proud.
Hi,
Our temples are not for our amusement but should never be silent towards our God.
Hebrews 13:15
By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.the 3rd definition is what the bible refers to:
fear (fîr)
n.
1.
a. A feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger.
b. A state or condition marked by this feeling: living in fear.
2. A feeling of disquiet or apprehension: a fear of looking foolish.
3. Extreme reverence or awe, as toward a supreme power.
4. A reason for dread or apprehension: Being alone is my greatest fear.Check the greek meaning for “Eulabeia” and associated words for a better understanding…
I should have the 3rd definition is what the bible generally refers to when speaking of the “fear of GOD”
Thank you, DK
For me there is a knowledge of God is Almighty and Supreme and “could” do fearful things to us, but I am learning to trust and rest in his expressed desire of goodwill towards all mankind.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.Nick,
I absolutely agree that we should walk with care. We can lose our reward, and that would be a bummer. But to fear losing our guaranteed deposit is another fear that should be abandoned if we love Christ, and hope in God.Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 16 2008,05:42) Thank you, DK For me there is a knowledge of God is Almighty and Supreme and “could” do fearful things to us, but I am learning to trust and rest in his expressed desire of goodwill towards all mankind.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
God did appear to do “fearful” things to his people in the OT. Goodness, Moses sister received sores all over her body for doubting. Can you imagine where that would place you and I, Meerkat?
I sometimes have a hard time reconciling the God of the OT and the God of the NT. Is God a kinder-gentler God now because of Jesus? Was he just really pis*ed off before?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 16 2008,06:00) Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 16 2008,05:42) Thank you, DK For me there is a knowledge of God is Almighty and Supreme and “could” do fearful things to us, but I am learning to trust and rest in his expressed desire of goodwill towards all mankind.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
God did appear to do “fearful” things to his people in the OT. Goodness, Moses sister received sores all over her body for doubting. Can you imagine where that would place you and I, Meerkat? I sometimes have a hard time reconciling the God of the OT and the God of the NT. Is God a kinder-gentler God now because of Jesus? Was he just really pis*ed off before?
and i the sameDK,
Perhaps we are trying to reconcile something that cannot be reconciled?
What if parts of the OT are mistranslated, or worse, never supposed to have been included?When I look to nature and to my heart, I know that a leader such as God Almighty would have to make some hard calls. Just look at our leaders and the calls they have to make. I understand that there is violence with peace; to everthing under heaven there is a season.
When we were teenagers we didn't always understand the calls our parents would make. At times we cursed them for being so mean to us – right? Not knowing that as parents ourselves someday – we would also have to make these tough calls to properly raise our children.
We see only in part…..we can only understand in part. Rejoice with the part you do understand.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 16 2008,06:29) “No other mercy shoujld be assumed.” Can you elaborate on this, please?
Hi not3,
Salvation is promised for those in Jesus and they should know they are safe.Salvation will also be granted to some at the choice of God.
Hoping against hope that we will be found worthy for His mercy is unwise when the kingdom door remains open.
Hi,
It is not our role to judge the ways of God.
There is enough evidence in the OT of His sovereignty.
Man deserves no better treatment so men must respect the God of the bible.Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 16 2008,06:00) Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 16 2008,05:42) Thank you, DK For me there is a knowledge of God is Almighty and Supreme and “could” do fearful things to us, but I am learning to trust and rest in his expressed desire of goodwill towards all mankind.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
God did appear to do “fearful” things to his people in the OT. Goodness, Moses sister received sores all over her body for doubting. Can you imagine where that would place you and I, Meerkat? I sometimes have a hard time reconciling the God of the OT and the God of the NT. Is God a kinder-gentler God now because of Jesus? Was he just really pis*ed off before?
Mandy,I know people don't want to hear it but I have to wonder, as Jesus spoke in parable to make his points, how much OT is actual history, and how much is story/symbol to illustrate points. I agree that there does seem to be 2 Gods in the OT which are inconsistant with each other and Jesus.
We are told there were false prophets in the OT and in Jeremiah we are told in Jer 8:8 about the lying pen of the scribes.
I do agree with both you and Nick that we need to walk carefully – to whom much is given more is required of that person – I think that if you directly resist what you are being led to learn or be shown, that is resisting the Holy Spirit, it is Gods Spirit that leads and if you resist it, there are consequences.
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