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Hi SOL,
Does the Most High God owe you anything?
He has sent the Son for YOU as a sign of His love for you.
If you reject the Son sent from God do you think God will make an exception for you as far as His wrath goes?
Jn3
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2008,09:39) Hi SOL,
Does the Most High God owe you anything?
He has sent the Son for YOU as a sign of His love for you.
If you reject the Son sent from God do you think God will make an exception for you as far as His wrath goes?
Jn3
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
He owes me the never ending debt of Love. Which is completely consistent with his character.Just as all of us have that one debt we owe all other beings.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 15 2008,09:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,09:00) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 12 2008,08:10) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 12 2008,07:11) Here Jehovah threatens his people with forced cannibalism: Leviticus 26
28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Deuteronomy 28:53
53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Jeremiah 19:9
9And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Ezekiel 5:8-10
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
9And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.
10Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.
I have to admit i don't know that God. Weather it be the YAHWEH OF Jehovah. The God I know is love! MY Father and Jesus' Father.Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.
I only know the God of the New Covenant. I have no desire to even look back at this point. To me it's hard moving forward while looking back. The finish line is too close!
When Pentecost came everything changed. The SPIRIT was poured out on believers. If you know the Spirit then what does man gave to say that will convince you otherwise.
Some need to hear from the pulpit. They get away from the pulpit and they fall because they don't hear. We should hear what the Spirit says not the pulpit.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything–and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you–abide in him.
Have any received the anointing from HIM, then you have NO NEED for anyone to teach you…. as His anointing teaches you…AND IS TRUE…abide in HIM.
To me that all we can do. If what the Spirit teaches you and that disagrees with others then the Spirit has a different message for that person OR that person has a different spirit.
Jesus' promise that if you ask God He will give you His Spirit.
Luk 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
I believe Him. Do you?
Keep the commandments of God and Faith in Jesus.
kenrchYou say…
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Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.Read the context. Their cannabolism is a natural result of their hungry stomachs.
God brought judgment on them through famine because of their rebellion, and becasue he knows all things he prophesied what they would do in their starvation.
God is a God of judgment, wrath and Love.
Both the OT and NT reveals that.
The NT also tells us of his judgment and wrath when Yeshua will return. I am not of the opinion that he will cast men into eternal torment forever and ever, but I do believe there will be a white throne judgment and their will be payment to be made.
The flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah are examples of his judgment, Jesus spoke of them both and compared them to his second comming.
Gods Spirit will not always strive with men.
Blessings!
God loves us and he is coming to kill us.
SOLYes God loves and he will punish evil and destroy it.
His Love mandates righteous judgment on wicked evil men and a stopping of the wickedness that evil men commit against humanity.
What God of Love would allow men to continue forever in their wicked state with the imaginations of their evil heart only getting worse and worse.
Tell me SOL, if you were a witness to a 5 year old child being repeatedly raped and beaten, and the only way you could stop them is to kill them, would you just stand there and do nothing?
You may not believe this but there are some that will not repent until he brings his judgment!
WJ,
You say:
Tell me SOL, if you were a witness to a 5 year old child being repeatedly raped and beaten, and the only way you could stop them is to kill them, would you just stand there and do nothing?
I would try to stop them without killing them, but in the end I would put them down yes.
God is all powerful, I am not. You can't box God in with our weaknesses. God is Love. Love never Fails.
To be honest though, your scenario, reminds me of YHVH's command to the soldiers of Israel and the virgins of the midianites. That was YHVH orders of killing and rapes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2008,09:54) Hi SOL,
He owes you? WOW
Of course he does.Do not all Father's owe Love to their children.
That is all I am asking for Nick, nothing else.
To ask the God OF LOVE for love seems to be a pretty simple request. It seems natural and perfectly in sink with a God of Love. By his very nature he can't help but give it.
What Father will give his son a rock when he asks for a fish?
Every good gift comes from above.
God is not tempted by evil nor does he tempt man with evil.
God owes all of us Love and we his children immitate him. It is our ONLY outstanding debt.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 15 2008,10:06) WJ, You say:
Tell me SOL, if you were a witness to a 5 year old child being repeatedly raped and beaten, and the only way you could stop them is to kill them, would you just stand there and do nothing?
I would try to stop them without killing them, but in the end I would put them down yes.
God is all powerful, I am not. You can't box God in with our weaknesses. God is Love. Love never Fails.
To be honest though, your scenario, reminds me of YHVH's command to the soldiers of Israel and the virgins of the midianites. That was YHVH orders of killing and rapes.
SOLSo you would put them down because of your Love for the little girl but God can,t or will not?
Is your Love greater than his?
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 15 2008,10:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2008,09:54) Hi SOL,
He owes you? WOW
Of course he does.Do not all Father's owe Love to their children.
That is all I am asking for Nick, nothing else.
To ask the God OF LOVE for love seems to be a pretty simple request. It seems natural and perfectly in sink with a God of Love. By his very nature he can't help but give it.
What Father will give his son a rock when he asks for a fish?
Every good gift comes from above.
God is not tempted by evil nor does he tempt man with evil.
God owes all of us Love and we his children immitate him. It is our ONLY outstanding debt.
Hi Sol,
Faint hope.
He told some of the jews they were sons rather of Satan.
Do you have any greater claim to be His son as a son of Adam?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,10:35) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 15 2008,10:06) WJ, You say:
Tell me SOL, if you were a witness to a 5 year old child being repeatedly raped and beaten, and the only way you could stop them is to kill them, would you just stand there and do nothing?
I would try to stop them without killing them, but in the end I would put them down yes.
God is all powerful, I am not. You can't box God in with our weaknesses. God is Love. Love never Fails.
To be honest though, your scenario, reminds me of YHVH's command to the soldiers of Israel and the virgins of the midianites. That was YHVH orders of killing and rapes.
SOLSo you would put them down because of your Love for the little girl but God can,t or will not?
Is your Love greater than his?
Good point. Though, I am willing to use evil to stop evil in a case like that. God wouldnt need to because he is all powerful. He could miraculously transform the attacker in a rainbow colored bunny rabbit with a bow if needed.This has much to do with who the God of this world is but this is a different subject. It helps though if you understand where I am coming from. The elohim created the our world, not the Most High. These elohim are the gods of this world.
And here are my points:
1. God is all powerful and could intervene in an infinity number of ways beside death. Death may be an option, but is that the end of the story?
2. If God does slay the wicked man, does this mean his soul is eternally tortured in a lake of fire where the flames are fueled by the God of Love and his son the prince of peace?
That is ultimately my question.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2008,10:38) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 15 2008,10:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2008,09:54) Hi SOL,
He owes you? WOW
Of course he does.Do not all Father's owe Love to their children.
That is all I am asking for Nick, nothing else.
To ask the God OF LOVE for love seems to be a pretty simple request. It seems natural and perfectly in sink with a God of Love. By his very nature he can't help but give it.
What Father will give his son a rock when he asks for a fish?
Every good gift comes from above.
God is not tempted by evil nor does he tempt man with evil.
God owes all of us Love and we his children immitate him. It is our ONLY outstanding debt.
Hi Sol,
Faint hope.
He told some of the jews they were sons rather of Satan.
Do you have any greater claim to be His son as a son of Adam?
The jehovah elohim who created adam are the fathers of the children of this world.I was born from above and got adopted.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,09:00) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 12 2008,08:10) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 12 2008,07:11) Here Jehovah threatens his people with forced cannibalism: Leviticus 26
28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Deuteronomy 28:53
53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Jeremiah 19:9
9And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Ezekiel 5:8-10
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
9And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.
10Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.
I have to admit i don't know that God. Weather it be the YAHWEH OF Jehovah. The God I know is love! MY Father and Jesus' Father.Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.
I only know the God of the New Covenant. I have no desire to even look back at this point. To me it's hard moving forward while looking back. The finish line is too close!
When Pentecost came everything changed. The SPIRIT was poured out on believers. If you know the Spirit then what does man gave to say that will convince you otherwise.
Some need to hear from the pulpit. They get away from the pulpit and they fall because they don't hear. We should hear what the Spirit says not the pulpit.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything–and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you–abide in him.
Have any received the anointing from HIM, then you have NO NEED for anyone to teach you…. as His anointing teaches you…AND IS TRUE…abide in HIM.
To me that all we can do. If what the Spirit teaches you and that disagrees with others then the Spirit has a different message for that person OR that person has a different spirit.
Jesus' promise that if you ask God He will give you His Spirit.
Luk 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
I believe Him. Do you?
Keep the commandments of God and Faith in Jesus.
kenrchYou say…
Quote
Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.Read the context. Their cannabolism is a natural result of their hungry stomachs.
God brought judgment on them through famine because of their rebellion, and becasue he knows all things he prophesied what they would do in their starvation.
God is a God of judgment, wrath and Love.
Both the OT and NT reveals that.
The NT also tells us of his judgment and wrath when Yeshua will return. I am not of the opinion that he will cast men into eternal torment forever and ever, but I do believe there will be a white throne judgment and their will be payment to be made.
The flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah are examples of his judgment, Jesus spoke of them both and compared them to his second comming.
Gods Spirit will not always strive with men.
Blessings!
Thanks WJ!But it's true I don't know the God of the OT. Do you? He seems like a different person. As I said before what kind of people was HE dealing with under the Old Covenant? A stiff necked unrepentant peoples perhaps “somewhat” like those who were before the flood.
After the Father gave His sacrifice and we received His Spirit he changed to a loving Father. I know the bible says HE changes not but He didn't change WE DID!
SOL I understand the God you speak of from a spiritual view. But I still don't understand the serpent- God reversal.
From what you say if you do good you will be punished. Does not the Most High have power over these bad angels? If you told your son to do something and he did it would you punish him?
Is it bad to be naked? After doing as the serpent said Adam and Eve discovered they were naked. Animals are naked I see nothing wrong with that. Was everything GOOD before they partook of the tree? They didn't know they were naked. Only AFTER taking of the tree did their thoughts turn evil and their nudeness become EVIL.
I'm sticking with the NT the New Covenant the one I'M under.
Fear of God
Psalms 130:3-4 If you, O Lord, kept a record of sins, O Lord, who could stand? But with you there is forgiveness; therefore you are feared.
Psalms 147:11 the Lord delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
Proverbs 1:29-31 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
*Is Proverbs 1:29-31 also showing that the fruit that Adam and Eve ate back in The Book of Genesis was not an actual fruit, but solely symbolic of sin and evil?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,10:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,09:00) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 12 2008,08:10) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 12 2008,07:11) Here Jehovah threatens his people with forced cannibalism: Leviticus 26
28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Deuteronomy 28:53
53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Jeremiah 19:9
9And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Ezekiel 5:8-10
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
9And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.
10Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.
I have to admit i don't know that God. Weather it be the YAHWEH OF Jehovah. The God I know is love! MY Father and Jesus' Father.Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.
I only know the God of the New Covenant. I have no desire to even look back at this point. To me it's hard moving forward while looking back. The finish line is too close!
When Pentecost came everything changed. The SPIRIT was poured out on believers. If you know the Spirit then what does man gave to say that will convince you otherwise.
Some need to hear from the pulpit. They get away from the pulpit and they fall because they don't hear. We should hear what the Spirit says not the pulpit.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything–and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you–abide in him.
Have any received the anointing from HIM, then you have NO NEED for anyone to teach you…. as His anointing teaches you…AND IS TRUE…abide in HIM.
To me that all we can do. If what the Spirit teaches you and that disagrees with others then the Spirit has a different message for that person OR that person has a different spirit.
Jesus' promise that if you ask God He will give you His Spirit.
Luk 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
I believe Him. Do you?
Keep the commandments of God and Faith in Jesus.
kenrchYou say…
Quote
Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.Read the context. Their cannabolism is a natural result of their hungry stomachs.
God brought judgment on them through famine because of their rebellion, and becasue he knows all things he prophesied what they would do in their starvation.
God is a God of judgment, wrath and Love.
Both the OT and NT reveals that.
The NT also tells us of his judgment and wrath when Yeshua will return. I am not of the opinion that he will cast men into eternal torment forever and ever, but I do believe there will be a white throne judgment and their will be payment to be made.
The flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah are examples of his judgment, Jesus spoke of them both and compared them to his second comming.
Gods Spirit will not always strive with men.
Blessings!
Thanks WJ!But it's true I don't know the God of the OT. Do you? He seems like a different person. As I said before what kind of people was HE dealing with under the Old Covenant? A stiff necked unrepentant peoples perhaps “somewhat” like those who were before the flood.
After the Father gave His sacrifice and we received His Spirit he changed to a loving Father. I know the bible says HE changes not but He didn't change WE DID!
SOL I understand the God you speak of from a spiritual view. But I still don't understand the serpent- God reversal.
From what you say if you do good you will be punished. Does not the Most High have power over these bad angels? If you told your son to do something and he did it would you punish him?
Is it bad to be naked? After doing as the serpent said Adam and Eve discovered they were naked. Animals are naked I see nothing wrong with that. Was everything GOOD before they partook of the tree? They didn't know they were naked. Only AFTER taking of the tree did their thoughts turn evil and their nudeness become EVIL.
I'm sticking with the NT the New Covenant the one I'M under.
Kenrch,You say:
—————————————————From what you say if you do good you will be punished. Does not the Most High have power over these bad angels? If you told your son to do something and he did it would you punish him?
—————————————————
The Most High did not do the punishing the elohim (gods/angels) punished man.
So, your concern seems to be why did God not stop the elohim (gods/angels), from punishing us.
Well, that question exists in both the gnostic and orthodox model.
Regardless of which genesis account is right why did God wait so long to save man. Even now we are waiting for him.
My answer once again:
God wants man to seek light and good and join him. He does not want to create puppets and he does not want a ”
new” batch of bad sons. So we have a choice. Remain with our creators in darkness and matter or be adopted by the most high in light and spirit.Hi SOL,
You should not ignore the salvation offered by God in His Son Jesus Christ.
It is a once only offer and time grows short so why dabble in gnosticism?
Indeed some angels are chained in Tartarus awaiting their punishment.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2008,06:50) Hi SOL,
You should not ignore the salvation offered by God in His Son Jesus Christ.
It is a once only offer and time grows short so why dabble in gnosticism?
Indeed some angels are chained in Tartarus awaiting their punishment.
Why do you think I am ignoring salvation?The only things I believe differently are:
That God is not responsible for bad things and that the fallen angels are.
That scripture is not without error.
Which is exactly what the essenes/nazarenes/ebionites/gnostics believed. Whom archeology is prooving where the original followers of the way.
Is it a prerequisite to belief the scriptures are without error and that God does bad things in order to be saved?
Hi SOL,
It is necessary to believe what God has written through men.
Following men leads to quicksand and pits.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2008,06:58) Hi SOL,
It is necessary to believe what God has written through men.
Following men leads to quicksand and pits.
For salvation it is necessary?What about those who follow Christ but can't read and/or never had a bible.
I have my heart set on following The Way and seeking the light.
What do I lack for salvation?
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 16 2008,06:45) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 15 2008,10:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2008,09:00) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 12 2008,08:10) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 12 2008,07:11) Here Jehovah threatens his people with forced cannibalism: Leviticus 26
28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Deuteronomy 28:53
53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Jeremiah 19:9
9And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Ezekiel 5:8-10
8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
9And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.
10Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.
I have to admit i don't know that God. Weather it be the YAHWEH OF Jehovah. The God I know is love! MY Father and Jesus' Father.Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.
I only know the God of the New Covenant. I have no desire to even look back at this point. To me it's hard moving forward while looking back. The finish line is too close!
When Pentecost came everything changed. The SPIRIT was poured out on believers. If you know the Spirit then what does man gave to say that will convince you otherwise.
Some need to hear from the pulpit. They get away from the pulpit and they fall because they don't hear. We should hear what the Spirit says not the pulpit.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything–and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you–abide in him.
Have any received the anointing from HIM, then you have NO NEED for anyone to teach you…. as His anointing teaches you…AND IS TRUE…abide in HIM.
To me that all we can do. If what the Spirit teaches you and that disagrees with others then the Spirit has a different message for that person OR that person has a different spirit.
Jesus' promise that if you ask God He will give you His Spirit.
Luk 11:13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
I believe Him. Do you?
Keep the commandments of God and Faith in Jesus.
kenrchYou say…
Quote
Weather it be the same God who showed His wrath in the Old Testament and Fatherly Love in the New Testament I don't know! I read about the OT God but I don't know Him.Read the context. Their cannabolism is a natural result of their hungry stomachs.
God brought judgment on them through famine because of their rebellion, and becasue he knows all things he prophesied what they would do in their starvation.
God is a God of judgment, wrath and Love.
Both the OT and NT reveals that.
The NT also tells us of his judgment and wrath when Yeshua will return. I am not of the opinion that he will cast men into eternal torment forever and ever, but I do believe there will be a white throne judgment and their will be payment to be made.
The flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah are examples of his judgment, Jesus spoke of them both and compared them to his second comming.
Gods Spirit will not always strive with men.
Blessings!
Thanks WJ!But it's true I don't know the God of the OT. Do you? He seems like a different person. As I said before what kind of people was HE dealing with under the Old Covenant? A stiff necked unrepentant peoples perhaps “somewhat” like those who were before the flood.
After the Father gave His sacrifice and we received His Spirit he changed to a loving Father. I know the bible says HE changes not but He didn't change WE DID!
SOL I understand the God you speak of from a spiritual view. But I still don't understand the serpent- God reversal.
From what you say if you do good you will be punished. Does not the Most High have power over these bad angels? If you told your son to do something and he did it would you punish him?
Is it bad to be naked? After doing as the serpent said Adam and Eve discovered they were naked. Animals are naked I see nothing wrong with that. Was everything GOOD before they partook of the tree? They didn't know they were naked. Only AFTER taking of the tree did their thoughts turn evil and their nudeness become EVIL.
I'm sticking with the NT the New Covenant the one I'M under.
Kenrch,You say:
—————————————————From what you say if you do good you will be punished. Does not the Most High have power over these bad angels? If you told your son to do something and he did it would you punish him?
—————————————————
The Most High did not do the punishing the elohim (gods/angels) punished man.
So, your concern seems to be why did God not stop the elohim (gods/angels), from punishing us.
Well, that question exists in both the gnostic and orthodox model.
Regardless of which genesis account is right why did God wait so long to save man. Even now
we are waiting for him.My answer once again:
God wants man to seek light and good and join him. He does not want to create puppets and he does not want a “new” batch of bad sons. So we have a choice. Remain with our creators in darkness and matter or be adopted by the most high in light and spirit.
Well is it evil to be nude? It wasn't evil until they partook of the tree as the serpent said.Look SOL I really don't know, OK? But something seems to be missing. One thing is for sure If the God of the Old Covenant is the same God of the New Covenant something changed.
Like I said I don't understand why blood had to be shed for any Covenant.
Again all I know is the God of the New Covenant. Could Jesus' God and Father be a different God than that of the Old testament? I don't know and to me it really makes no difference. I serve the God of the New Covenant. The God and Father of Jesus. The only thing is the Ten Commandments. Jesus kept the Ten Commandments Spiritually I don't see anything BAD about the Ten Commandments. Do you?
BTW it's been good talking to you. I never know when I'll be gone?
Perhaps soon!
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 16 2008,07:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2008,06:58) Hi SOL,
It is necessary to believe what God has written through men.
Following men leads to quicksand and pits.
For salvation it is necessary?What about those who follow Christ but can't read and/or never had a bible.
I have my heart set on following The Way and seeking the light.
What do I lack for salvation?
Hi SOL,
You must repent and be born again of water and the Spirit.
Outside of the Way God is merciful to some.
But teaching falsehoods He despises.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2008,07:18) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 16 2008,07:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2008,06:58) Hi SOL,
It is necessary to believe what God has written through men.
Following men leads to quicksand and pits.
For salvation it is necessary?What about those who follow Christ but can't read and/or never had a bible.
I have my heart set on following The Way and seeking the light.
What do I lack for salvation?
Hi SOL,
You must repent and be born again of water and the Spirit.
Outside of the Way God is merciful to some.
But teaching falsehoods He despises.
So the only thing I lack in your view is that I teach false things that may get me in trouble?Well, obviously, I think I am on the right track based on evidence.
However, if I am wrong I would rather be wrong for defending that God is pure good than be wrong for accusing him of being both good and evil.
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