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Jodi……..Jeff Benner also has a Mechanical translation of the book of Genesis which I had and sent it to ADAM , It really helped me understand the word GOD as properly being translated (POWERS). I agree with Martian He has very good insight into the HEBREW Language.
peace………………………………gene
Thanks Gene, I actually got that book from my husband for my birthday back in December. I love it, it's the third book I have from Benner. I believe it is crucial to understand the bible from the Hebrew perspective. Benner has done some awesome work restoring the bible, bringing it closer, I think, to it's original meaning.
Thanks again for all your love and support, love to you, Jodi
Quote (Jodi @ Feb. 04 2009,10:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2009,14:57) Hi Jodi,
Yes they are strongly held by the god of this world and the gentle Spirit struggles with their strongmindednessActs28
23And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.24And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
25And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
29And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
So when it comes down to it you believe that the influence of the evil one is more powerful and intelligent then the influences of YHWH?
Hi Jodi,
No the Spirit of God is as the wind.
Men need to respond and freedom is not what most choose.Nick………How can a man respond if His carnal nature is a enemy of GOD. No man will respond positively unless GOD cause it to happen. Don't you believe what Jesus said “NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME UNLESS THE FATHER DRAWS HIM.” Now ask yourself why did Jesus say the was He lying?. NO man on his on his own, if that were possible we could save ourselves and would need GOD , our Own so-called free wills could do it. God get (ALL) the credit we get (NONE)> “for you are saved by GRACE that not of yourselves it is a gift from God, not of WORKS lest any should Boast.” What don't you understand about that Nick? While our works might gives us some reward in the future, they have nothing to do with our salvation. Salvation is (ALL) of GOD or nothing. IMO
peace………………..gene
GB,
The seed of the Word falls sometimes on good soil.
Soil that has been cleared of weeds and thorns by repentance.
That good soil soaks up the rain often falling on it to produce a useful crop.Every step is of God but man must cooperate.
But some are choked with weeds and hardened by foot traffic.
Others begin the life but abandon the offered grace and wither unto deathNick………But the good soil was prepared by GOD. Not by the soil itself. You say man (MUST COOPERATE) in saying that you are eliminating GOD completely and taking Salvation into the Hand of MAN. No God Prepared GROUND Fails. The bad soil was bad before they ever had the seed sown and could never have produces growth, Jesus said non of who were chose Failed except the son of perdition in order for scripture to be fulfilled. Even when they all forsook Him , they still didn't fail. Your fear religion is Just useless Nick , if God be for you (WHO) can be against you. And again greater is He that is in you then He thats in the world. GOD doesn't make mistakes Nick, men do thats why they are so fearful, But with enough FAITH you can overcome that NICK> IMO
peace……………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2009,14:50) Nick………How can a man respond if His carnal nature is a enemy of GOD. No man will respond positively unless GOD cause it to happen. Don't you believe what Jesus said “NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME UNLESS THE FATHER DRAWS HIM.” Now ask yourself why did Jesus say the was He lying?. NO man on his on his own, if that were possible we could save ourselves and would need GOD , our Own so-called free wills could do it. God get (ALL) the credit we get (NONE)> “for you are saved by GRACE that not of yourselves it is a gift from God, not of WORKS lest any should Boast.” What don't you understand about that Nick? While our works might gives us some reward in the future, they have nothing to do with our salvation. Salvation is (ALL) of GOD or nothing. IMO peace………………..gene
Gene ……..So true – carnal man can not save himself ….. God chose us first, loved us first
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2009,16:15) GB,
So bad soil does exist and all will not be saved?
Bad soil exists and will experience clearing and wrath ……. so will not be saved from wrath ….. however it will produce fruit once cleared of the weedsMeerkat………..Correct God is able of cleanse the soil and make it productive. In fact the good soil was made that way by GOD in the first place. Nick see it as if all are good soil and some how by not (Choosing) by there so-called “FREE WILLS” to become good soil they became Bad soil and don't produce. But Scripture shows it different, that soil was that way before the seed was thrown on it and therefore could not produce no matter who hard it tried. God is the potter we the clay, it's Just that simple, and He is able to make it any way He wants to and the clay has no say what so ever. Whom the Lord forenew them he also predestined to be conformed to the image of His son.
peace and love………………………….gene
Quote (meerkat @ Feb. 04 2009,15:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2009,16:15) GB,
So bad soil does exist and all will not be saved?
Bad soil exists and will experience clearing and wrath ……. so will not be saved from wrath ….. however it will produce fruit once cleared of the weeds
Hi MK,
Nice thought but the wrath of God is not offered as a cleansing ritual.It is not all about man but those who align with the will of God will be spared.
Gene Balthrop:
Quote Kerwin……..you have yet to answer this post.
I chose not to answer because it was becoming a vain argument and was not aiding either of us to grow in the Lord. I said what I said and am sticking to it. That is if one is terrified of their fate then they are certainly not in tune with God. On the other hand if they fear the results of disobeying then they are in tune with God for the believe He punishes those who persist in disobedience and anyone who does not believe that has no true faith in God. It is also true that the one who does not believe God rewards those who persist in doing right does not really believe in God.
Kerwin ……. When i do wrong i do not FEAR any wrath of GOD, i have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous, What i do when i sin is say like PAUL O retched man that i am How can i get delivered from this body of sin and i to thank God through Jesus i will be delievered. John said if we confess our sins GOD is FAITHFUL to FORGIVE US (AND) CLEANSES us From all SIN. FEAR has Nothing to do with it, Just a feeling of wretchedness.
Doing right is not worthy of rewards , it is required we do right, that does not give us reward. If you told a child to quit hitting others and He with some discipline did , would you then reward his as if he deserved a reward for doing what is normally required of anyone. Doing what right in God's eyes does not make us worthy of rewards , but is a requirement of GOD, who as a Farther has the right to require His Children to walk right, and if they do that, no big thing, God himself walks right.”be you Holy for I am Holy , be you perfect for I am Perfect” say the Eternal. Remember where it says when you have done whats right say I am an unprofitable servant because i have only done what was required of me. It if we go beyond what was required that a reward is given. Those servants who used the talents given them by GOD for gain to him are considered worth for reward and more trust.
peace……………………………..gene
Hi,
Mt25
1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
So 50% of those seemingly asleep in the Lord will not be raised when he returns.
Mt25
14For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.15And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So even some of those raised to be with the Lord are found to be unfruitful servants.
1Cor10
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Gene Balthrop wrote:
Quote When i do wrong i do not FEAR any wrath of GOD, i have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous,
I agree that you do not believe in God because if you did then you would fear to disobey Him and if you do not repent then you will perish. But instead of believing in God you choose to gather around you those who tell your itching ears what you want to hear. That is normal behavior, at least at this time, according to scripture.
2 Timothy 4:3(NIV) reads:
Quote 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
I believe that time is now and we should give glory to God despite the desolation that we see for what God has said through His Son has come true.
Matthew 24:10-11(NIV) reads:
Quote At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Gene Balthrop wrote:
Quote Doing right is not worthy of rewards , it is required we do right, that does not give us reward.
Hebrews 11:6(NIV) reads:
Quote And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
As I said you do not believe in the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Mosses, and Jesus because if you did then you would believe that God rewards those who seriously seek Him as well as believing he punishes those who persist in rebelling against him. I hope you change and really believe in the true God.
Kerwin/Gene,
Both of you accusing the other “not of God” are both judging each other – to me it seems that neither is showing the fruit of the Spirit which is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith.
There is a difference between searching the scriptures, seeking truth, standing up for the truth, not tolerating falsehood and on the other hand resorting to personal attacks.
Quote (meerkat @ Feb. 05 2009,08:44) Kerwin/Gene, Both of you accusing the other “not of God” are both judging each other – to me it seems that neither is showing the fruit of the Spirit which is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith.
There is a difference between searching the scriptures, seeking truth, standing up for the truth, not tolerating falsehood and on the other hand resorting to personal attacks.
Correct —- especially on a web site. This is a game venue.
Paul says that to be saved you must believe that Jesus rose from the grave and is our saviour. Doctrines other then that have nothing to do with it.Hi Martian,
You say
“Paul says that to be saved you must believe that Jesus rose from the grave and is our saviour.”Where did he say this?
Kerwin………It's interesting how all fear monger use the same scriptures to justify themselves , but all the many other Scriptures the Show Fear is not what we recieve and we are to Love God and Keep His commandments and these are fulfilled through the Love of GOD in our Hearts and minds , they ignore as well as a host of other scriptures the show we are not under fear , What do you do with the scripture in Titus that says we have (NOT) received a SPIRIT of FEAR as you preach , but of Power and Love and of a sound MIND> Do you and the rest of the fear mongers Just throw that out of your bibles and then accuse other who quote them of having itching ears, Pure Garabage. If you truly LOVED GOD YOU would NOT FEAR HIM< but love and respect what He says, and try to do what he says. Fear mongering religion is for the fearful and unbelieving. They have no TRUE FAITH, So must use FEAR as the only way their carnal mind can be controlled, they are (NOT) being Made right in their hearts and minds, as scripture plainly shows.
Here is another Scripture you fear mongers can chew on, Eze 36:27 And (I) will put my SPIRIT within you, and (CAUSE) you to walk in my statues and ye shall keep MY Judgments and do them. DO you see any fear there, fear mongers will have their part with the unbelievers in the lake of fire as revelation says. WE who walk by the SPIRIT of GOD do (NOT) FEAR HIM, BUT LOVE the FATHER, We are not part of the fearful and unbelieving as you say you are. “LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR”, YOU cast in FEAR, and all who do so are self decieved and can never please GOD. Because their fear makes them dread Him , Just as it says FEAR has TORMENT and nothing is perfected in FEAR. SO your fear preaching brings torment with it. and does not perfect anyone. IMO
If you understood what Martain brought out you would not be quite as blind about the word fear either. Even regular concordance will tell that the word means reverence and respect, not like our English definition means. Even simple logic would tell you that a FATHER does not want His Children to go around FEARING Him. May be you do, I sure don't , I want my Children to Love me and respect me but never fear me, even if they do something wrong, in fact if they did do something wrong i would want the to come and tell me So i might be able to Help them, and our Heavenly Father do also. How much more does GOD the FATHER want us to come to Him in our time of need. No one will ever be made perfect in FEAR. IMO
gene
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