Fear of God

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,10:40)

GB, To those who know God, Christ Jesus crucified and raised as Lord is preached, as the only way to God. We have the honour of spreading the mercy of concilitaion with God in Jesus. Enough of your idolatry judgements against believers. You only hurt yourself.

The only way to God is through God giving us His Spirit. Jesus is proof of that. To accept Jesus is to accept that fact.

Through Jesus God wants us to know that we need Him in every way possible, just as Jesus did needed Him.

Gene is correct, most Christians believe that Jesus is God, thus they are all idolaters.

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,11:00)

Hi Jodi, Indeed Acts 17 does say all men everwhere are commanded to repent. I believe it but you need to add something?

Nick I'm not adding anything. Show me what I am adding?

17:29Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.

divine nature does not come through man's devices it is not shaped by man, but comes through God's Spirit.

27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.[/b]

Why do you deny these scriptures?

Ro 8:8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Man does not make himself born of the Spirit. Man does not repent through the cause of his own flesh.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Ro 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

Jesus did not make himself righteous and neither can we.

What is your problem with this simple truth?

John 5:19Son can do nothing of himself
John 5:30Of mine own self do nothing
John 8:28I do nothing of myself
John 14:10He doeth the works

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
This is all you need
“Acts 17:29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Good news.
God has granted repentance to the gentiles.

Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”

Few seem to want to take up this amazing offer.
Yet you prophesy all will be saved?

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
You say
“The only way to God is through God giving us His Spirit.”

But scripture says

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,11:45)

Hi Jodi, You say “The only way to God is through God giving us His Spirit.” But scripture says John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Nick your not listening!

No man can come to the Father accept through Jesus. This is because God revealed the truth in the life of Jesus, and that truth being that a man can do nothing of himself, he needs the Father. To know the Father is to know this. When we know who Jesus was and why he was great and without sin, then we understand God more and His plan. The truth in Jesus connects us to the Father.

You don't understand this, you really don't seem to UNDERSTAND much of anything, you just parrot the word.

Accepting Jesus is the same thing as accepting that our flesh is weak and we can do nothing of ourselves, but in all things we need God.

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,11:45)

Hi Jodi, You say “The only way to God is through God giving us His Spirit.” But scripture says John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Nick the truth is still the same. God draws people unto the truth He laid out in Jesus, and when we accept the truth in Jesus of which God works that in us, then we have come to know the Father.

God uses His Spirit to draw us into the truth of Jesus. All of the work is caused by God.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
You say
“No man can come to the Father accept through Jesus. This is because God revealed the truth in the life of Jesus, and that truth being that a man can do nothing of himself, he needs the Father. To know the Father is to know this. When we know who Jesus was and why he was great and without sin, then we understand God more and His plan. The truth in Jesus connects us to the Father. “

No it is not knowledge about God through Jesus that saves anyone.
Nor is it faith alone as demons believe.
We have to COME TO Jesus.

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,13:05)

Hi Jodi, You say “No man can come to the Father accept through Jesus. This is because God revealed the truth in the life of Jesus, and that truth being that a man can do nothing of himself, he needs the Father. To know the Father is to know this. When we know who Jesus was and why he was great and without sin, then we understand God more and His plan. The truth in Jesus connects us to the Father. “ No it is not knowledge about God through Jesus that saves anyone. Nor is it faith alone as demons believe. We have to COME TO Jesus.

Hi Nick,

I think maybe your confused about my understanding so let me clarify.

We have to come to Jesus but it is the Father that draws us in.

Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

God's desire is for all men to come into repentance. God drawing in a man is a process. Usually man realizes after he has repented, that God was working with him long before he even knew God. Do you understand that Nick, that God works with people, causing certain things to happen in their lives without them even knowing it?

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
Yes men must come to Jesus.
They come to his Body on earth and his servants help enable them to enter the kingdom.

You cannot do it yourself by coming to certain intellectual conclusions through your reading.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
You say
“Accepting Jesus is the same thing as accepting that our flesh is weak and we can do nothing of ourselves, but in all things we need God. “

So knowing about Jesus puts us into a position where we can establish some sort of relationship with his Father by ourselves??

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

No we have to lose our life

Rom6
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,13:44)

Hi Jodi, You say “Accepting Jesus is the same thing as accepting that our flesh is weak and we can do nothing of ourselves, but in all things we need God. “ So knowing about Jesus puts us into a position where we can establish some sort of relationship with his Father by ourselves?? Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. No we have to lose our life Rom6 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Nick you are not listening, all your doing is trying to find error when there is none. Your so strung out on proving me wrong your at the point where your not even making any sense.

Your mission seems to try and pick something out of what I have said and see how you can twist it into making me appear as if I am wrong.

You quote me –“Accepting Jesus is the same thing as accepting that our flesh is weak and we can do nothing of ourselves, but in all things we need God. “

Then you say– “So knowing about Jesus puts us into a position where we can establish some sort of relationship with his Father by ourselves??”

I just said that we do nothing of ourselves, don't you think that would include establishing a relationship with God?

What your accusing me of goes against everything I just said. Seriously what is your problem?

I just quoted this scripture,

Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

I also said this, which you seem to want to ignore

“God's desire is for all men to come into repentance. God drawing in a man is a process. Usually man realizes after he has repented, that God was working with him long before he even knew God. Do you understand that Nick, that God works with people, causing certain things to happen in their lives without them even knowing it?”

And what does that which I said above mean…….that God has had a relationship with us LONG before we ever had one with Him. God draws us to Jesus, and for some people that means without them even knowing it. The truth in Jesus of which God drew us into, inturn then draws us into our relationship with God.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
You say
“”God's desire is for all men to come into repentance.”
Indeed God commands it.

“God drawing in a man is a process.”

Maybe so but then comes decision time.
Obedience marks His children

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

“Usually man realizes after he has repented, that God was working with him long before he even knew God. “
Maybe so but so far few have taken advantage of the grace of repentance granted to the gentiles

” Do you understand that Nick, that God works with people, causing certain things to happen in their lives without them even knowing it?”

Yes and it all points to the verse that says
SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,13:40)

Hi Jodi, Yes men must come to Jesus. They come to his Body on earth and his servants help enable them to enter the kingdom. You cannot do it yourself by coming to certain intellectual conclusions through your reading.

Yes Nick, finally you might be getting it! We do not do it ourselves, God draws us into the truth through the works of His Spirit. This even means that His Spirit is what draws man into repentance, we do not get their on our own.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
God does not rebirth us like magic and without our committed involvement.
All men are commanded to repent

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
The seed either produces a crop or it does not

Matthew 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Matthew 13:22
He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,14:27)

Hi Jodi, You say “”God's desire is for all men to come into repentance.” Indeed God commands it. “God drawing in a man is a process.” Maybe so but then comes decision time. Obedience marks His children Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? “Usually man realizes after he has repented, that God was working with him long before he even knew God. “ Maybe so but so far few have taken advantage of the grace of repentance granted to the gentiles ” Do you understand that Nick, that God works with people, causing certain things to happen in their lives without them even knowing it?” Yes and it all points to the verse that says SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD

Nick,

Great, we might be getting somewhere here.

You see, whether we know it or not God is causing us to make that decision to choose Him. We are sponges that take on information, when God produces the right information we are drawn to change.

God can and will work the necessary influences into the mind of man that will draw him into God.

Nick reflect on who man is and what causes him to make the choices that he does.

God will bring every influence necessary about for each individual to cause them to be drawn to Him.

Think about why the scripture says that God draws them in, He does that through specific influences that then cause a change in man's mind.

You seem to think that God draws people but then they choose whether or not they want to be drawn in. That is not my understanding. Our choices are made according to the works of influence, and if God wants all to be saved, then He of course will work every influence possible to bring that change about. Man is pathetic, he has been known to follow just about anything. When God chooses the time you don't think that God can cause a man to follow Him? You think that Hitler is a more powerful influential person then God? Of course you don't, so think about that. Think about how pathetic and influential man is and then think about how intelligent, and powerful God is, and don't forget what God desires.

[NickHassan]

So JOdi,
You say God will save all so some will not make that choice but be saved by magic?

[Jodi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2009,15:05)

So JOdi, You say God will save all so some will not make that choice but be saved by magic?

HUH

[Jodi]

Where is there MAGIC in the fact that we are pathetic human beings that are known to follow just about anything under the sun? Where is there magic in saying that YHWH is really the Almighty God, who has the power and intelligence to influence pathetic man into repentance.

Nick, please explain your accusation of my belief in magic?

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi……….There are those who understand and those who don't, There are those who Know that its GOD Himself that saves , and those who think their works (of FREE WILL CHOICES) is what save them. There are those who worship and praise and are thankful to GOD for His marvelous work and mercy Giving them HOLY SPIRIT to have the KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING in them. There are those who think they have the power of salvation in their own hands, and their are those who trust in GOD the FATHER to do for them as He has for Jesus, by the POWER of HIS SPIRIT. All who trust in there “FREE Choices or exclude The FATHER are IDOLATERS>They have no understanding in them, not Give the FATHER The GLORY DO HIM> They worship Jesus as their GOD and think He is their savior, but Jesus has told us who is the true savior and that is the FATHER (ONLY) by the Power of (HIS) Spirit. If they truly hear Jesus they would Know that, and what you have brought out would make sense to them. Don't let Nick discourage you I believe Nick means well, he just doesn't get it.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

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