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To All…………..> The false teachings of “Christianity” have plagued our understandings and have resisted the advancement of the Kingdom of GOD.
Mat 11:12……> ” And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
The violent have taken it over and Now we have a Apostate Pagan religion being proclaimed everywhere. Here are some of their FALSE teachings IMO.
The TRINITY……………The Pagan false teaching of a triune GOD
The PREEXISTENCE…… The Pagan false teachings of a Jesus' Preexistence.
The False Doctrines………….. about Devils and Demons being, Beings going around controlling people.
Christmas………….Pagan False teaching about Jesus' berth being at that time.
Easter ……………..Pagan mix of worship of the goddess of sex and fertility (Estar) with the passover.
Lucifer……..False teaching regarding the message sent by God the the King of Tyer by Issiah.As representing a SATAN BEING.
Sunday ……The changing the day of worship by pagan Sun-God worshipers, is of GOD
Soul………..False teaching of a Soul and a Spirit and a Body composing one person, when in fact the Soul is the Person composed of Spirit and a Body, and nothing more.
Jesus……… False teaching the Jesus is a Spirit BEING and does not have a Physical Body.
Water Baptism……..The false teaching that water baptism is what saves you. Instead of the Baptism of HOLY SPIRIT and FIRE.
Spirit …….False teaching that Spirit is a Being , When in fact it is the intellect (IN) a Being.
Life after Death…………the false belief the when a person dies He immediately goes to Heaven and there has an existence with Jesus and the FATHER as some kind of Spirit being.
Lake of Fire……the false teaching that there exists a LITERAL lake of Fire, where people are cast into, and literally burned up.
Free Wills……..The false belief the we all have “FREE” Wills , Wills free of any influences.
That God is unable to save (ALL) His CREATION……….. This also is a Pagan conception.
Mary is the Mother of GOD………. Pagan false teaching of the Trinity concepts allows such teachings.
That this is the ONLY Day of SALVATION……..Another False teaching.
Miracles ………… False teaching that Jesus himself performed Miracles. When in fact it was GOD doing them through him.
The Us in Genesis……….Was speaking of GOD and Jesus.
The word (WORD) in John 1:1, means Jesus………..Another false teaching of the TRINITYIS THERE ANY WOUNDER WHY PEOPLE ARE SO CONFUSED BY ALL THESE FALSE TEACHINGS. Present “Christianity” is clouded in Mystery and false Pagan teachings. IMO
GB,
Yes the plague keeps getting worse.Now there is INTELLECT = SPIRIT
God is SEVEN SPIRITS.
God WILL SAVE all men.
Men are PUPPETS.
SATAN does not exist.ETC
GB,
Yes the worst is when men take one verse, like the seven spirits in front of God's throne, and take to them selves the right of interpretation.
They find no other support in scripture but claim a special gift of spiritual understanding.
All who question are proven to be not as highly endowed.GB,
So the problems derive from:Personal interpretations.
One verse doctrines.
Adding to scripture.
Taking away from scripture.
Composite verse claims.
Inferential claims.
Logic foundations
Special gift claims.We need to work by the given principle of 2Cor 13.1
GB
Mat 11:12……> ” And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force
yes people with strong conviction on there own interpretation lead to violence take over of the truth of God.
you are in that no exeption,almost all your interpretation are brakin the scriptures many times.
with your support to men make doctrine and wisdom.wen the scriptures says to stick to the wisdom of God not men.
Nick……..you and Terraricca's personal attacks only show where your Spirits are from. If any of what i have posted is false then post the scriptures that show then as such. But you both Chose to trash mouth people as if you some how poses the proper understanding of these thing. Pure hog wash, both of you two follow your master by offending and accusing others.
O and Nick , Scripture say the Seven Spirits are the Seven Spirits (OF) GOD. But you deny GOD has Seven Spirits , So who is changing scripture to make it meet His own conceptions I or you. You add to scripture yourself by saying the seven spirit are Angles of GOD Well produce the proof. instead of Just trash mouthing as you and your partner terraricca seem so well at doing.
Nick you have never produce any Scripture that even Say And (ARE) SPIRITS. You seem to only able to trash talk more and more.
Produce your scriptural Proofs instead of trash talking so much. I have produce the Scriptures i Use , so where is yours at?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 20 2010,14:04) Nick……..you and Terraricca's personal attacks only show where your Spirits are from. If any of what i have posted is false then post the scriptures that show then as such. But you both Chose to trash mouth people as if you some how poses the proper understanding of these thing. Pure hog wash, both of you two follow your master by offending and accusing others. O and Nick , Scripture say the Seven Spirits are the Seven Spirits (OF) GOD. But you deny GOD has Seven Spirits , So who is changing scripture to make it meet His own conceptions I or you. You add to scripture yourself by saying the seven spirit are Angles of GOD Well produce the proof. instead of Just trash mouthing as you and your partner terraricca seem so well at doing.
Nick you have never produce any Scripture that even Say And (ARE) SPIRITS. You seem to only able to trash talk more and more.
Produce your scriptural Proofs instead of trash talking so much. I have produce the Scriptures i Use , so where is yours at?
GByou keep saying the samething over and over again we show you scriptures but you ignored them ,you have an ton of new men made concept .
and so deny the truth in scriptures,
if what you say would be true you could then explain it with the truth and spirit of Christ ,but you keep braking the scriptures and disregard all what christ said.
Gb,
To attack your foolish dogmas is not to attack you but to help you find your way out of silly positions you get into.Your intellect theory falls at the first hurdle because it is not written anywhere in scripture.
Your seven spirit God is based on a personal interpretation of one verse so again useless.
Your refusal to believe in satan is self evident folly.
Your belief in determinism denies the choices given to men.
Your claims to have the special spiritual knowledge is disproven by your additions.So you stumble at every level of scriptural truth but no doubt your infallible spirit will ignore this plea one more time.
Nick Hassan,
As long as you claim to follow a God of Contradictions then we know you do not follow the God of Jesus. God is logical and thus not a God of contradictions. You cannot have it both ways. It is either yes or no in that God is logical or he is not.
I do not find some off Gene's arguments either sound of valid which is to say they are illogical.
Gene,
Some of what is say is right and some is not. It seems that there are too many ideas to express at once.
For instance it is evil for God to save all his creation as it would make him unjust. Either God is just and some will not be saved or God is unjust. It is false mercy to reward those who persist in seeking evil.
You are trying to have mercy withough justice and such mercy is false and therefore of the evil one.
On the other hand Jesus was resurected from the dead so he does have a physical body though that body is incorruptable.
My sources were the wikipedia entrys of the “Hebrew Gospel of Matthew” and “Gospel of the Hebrews”.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 20 2010,14:04) Nick……..you and Terraricca's personal attacks only show where your Spirits are from. If any of what i have posted is false then post the scriptures that show then as such. But you both Chose to trash mouth people as if you some how poses the proper understanding of these thing. Pure hog wash, both of you two follow your master by offending and accusing others. O and Nick , Scripture say the Seven Spirits are the Seven Spirits (OF) GOD. But you deny GOD has Seven Spirits , So who is changing scripture to make it meet His own conceptions I or you. You add to scripture yourself by saying the seven spirit are Angles of GOD Well produce the proof. instead of Just trash mouthing as you and your partner terraricca seem so well at doing.
Nick you have never produce any Scripture that even Say And (ARE) SPIRITS. You seem to only able to trash talk more and more.
Produce your scriptural Proofs instead of trash talking so much. I have produce the Scriptures i Use , so where is yours at?
Gene I have posted many Scriptures that shows that Jesus came down from Heaven, and that He was the firstborn of all creation. What you are doing with these Scriptures is you are denying and calling Jesus a liar, because some Jesus is saying it.
John 6:38-40
John 8:58
John 3:17
John 17:5 Jesus says that He had a glory with the Father before the world was and He is asking to go back to the Father.
and in Col. 1:15 He is the firstborn of all creation and also in
Rev. 3:14
I have written all these out for you kerwin and Marty in a previous post. You should take them and asked God for wisdom and understanding. And please don't accuse the Brethren of not having God's Holy Spirit. You know we could say the same about you….
And Satan wants you to believe that he is not real. But he is, Scriptures say so.
In Luke 10:18 Jesus sees Satan fallen from heaven like lightning.
So does Isaiah 14:3-20 talks about the morning star(Lucifer) fallen from heaven…..
If you don't believe this again since it is Jesus who is saying this, you are calling Jesus a liar….
Jesus also was tempted by Satan in Math.
Don't call Jesus a liar…
Irenegb
you never produced scriptures but bit and pieces and modified verses,those are not called true scriptures .
you use your own wording to change the scriptures meaning, this is bad.
change while there still is time>
Terraricca………..Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were Seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which (ARE) the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD.
Rev 5:6….> And i beheld, and lo in the midst of the elders stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having Seven Eyes, which (ARE) the Seven (Spirits of GOD) sent forth into (ALL) the earth.
Now where is the bits and pieces there, and where is the Modifications there.
Terraracca………. the only one modifying and change scripture to meet there dogmas here are you. You try to change this to mean seven angles of GOD , but the word Angle is not even mentioned there at all.
If you and nick understood what a SPIRIT IS THIS WOULD BE EASY TO UNDERSTAND. IMO
GB,
The second verse you quote is not the same intrinsically as the first.
It mentions the LAMB of God where the first does not.
Are you thinking the lamb of God is God?
Is it Jesus in front of God's throne?Scripture does call angels spirits[Heb 1.14, Heb 1.7]
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2010,02:38) Terraricca………..Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were Seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which (ARE) the SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD. Rev 5:6….> And i beheld, and lo in the midst of the elders stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having Seven Eyes, which (ARE) the Seven (Spirits of GOD) sent forth into (ALL) the earth.
Now where is the bits and pieces there, and where is the Modifications there.
Terraracca………. the only one modifying and change scripture to meet there dogmas here are you. You try to change this to mean seven angles of GOD , but the word Angle is not even mentioned there at all.
If you and nick understood what a SPIRIT IS THIS WOULD BE EASY TO UNDERSTAND. IMO
GENE BI TOLD YOU BITS AND PIECES;JUST COMPERE;
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”
Rev 4:2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.
Rev 4:3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne.
Rev 4:4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
Rev 4:5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God.
Rev 4:6 Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.
Rev 4:7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.
Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop sayingIT IS STRANGE HOW YOU COME TO INTERPRETING SCRIPTURES YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND BUT TRY TO EXPLAIN AND TEACH TO OTHERS,
BIT S AND PIECES EXPLAIN BY YOU,ARE NOT THE TRUTH,
Gene
Nothing is holding back the kingdom of God; it's right on schedule.
The existence of the son before his birth as a human is not a false teaching.
Satan the devil, and his angels/demons, are not controlling people, but they do influence them in a bad way.
Christmas and Easter are pagan holidays, I agree.
Lucifer was the name given to a cherub angel, he was compared to the king of Tyre because of his pride and arrogance.
Sunday used to be the day of worship for pagan sun worshiper.
Yes, we are a soul/body, and we do have a spirit in us.
Jesus was a spirit being, he became man so he could die for us, he was resurrected a spirit being again.
Water baptism does two things, one; it cleanses you from all past sins; two, it is an outward sign of your faith in Jesus Christ, who will cleanse you of all future sins.
SPIRIT; it depends on what you're talking about. Angels are referred to as spirit beings, our mind which you refer to as intellect, Paul refers to as the spirit in man. Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus what a spirit is, he said it was like the wind, like air, why? because you can't see it. You can't see the air; you can't see the wind; you can't see a spirit being; and you can't see the human mind. But just as you can't see the air, do you not believe air exist? do you not believe wind exist?
There will be life after death, but not in heaven; it will be here on earth after the resurrection.
The “lake of fire” may very well be just symbolic, but being destroyed in it for ever is not, that is real.
God has given every created being, spirit or human, a will to choose to do good and live, or to choose to do wrong and die.
God is able to do whatever he wants to do, but a sinner that WILL NOT repent, he CAN NOT save.
Mary is the mother of Jesus, not of God.
The time were living in is “A” day of salvation, not the only day.
You're absolutely right, God performed miracles through Jesus.
You're right again, the US in Gen. are the Father and the son.
And again you are right, the WORD in John 1:1 is the son; John referred to him as the “word” for two reason, one; he spoke “for” the Father, two; he “only” spoke what the Father told him to say.
And again, yes on the last one.Georg
Gene
I'm sure you know that the Bible can not be taken literal all the time, depending on the subject.
I have yet to hear a minister argue that the number “seven” is not God's number of perfection; just as the number “ten” is the number for all included, not ten individuals.
When Jesus had John write letters to the “seven” churches, were they the only churches of that time? NO, there were churches not even mentioned.
Does that mean that only these seven churches needed reprimanding? I don't think so.
Since God knows and sees everything, does he really need any one to go look all over the world and then come and report?
If God had “seven” spirits, would they all be persons? The “seven spirits” of God only emphasize his “perfect Holy Spirit”, his perfect and Holy Mind.Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2010,14:10) Hi Georg,
So in your opinion:Mind is spirit.
The lake of fire is symbolic
Satan is lucifer
NickNot in my opinion.
If you are talking about the mind/spirit in man? YES!
I said, “may very well be symbolic”.
NO, Satan “WAS” Lucifer.Georg
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