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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,15:00) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,11:02) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:11) Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter.
Hi T8,Are you now falsely accusing me of bring swine?
…or would you say that is my paranoia again since this post is clearly addressed to me, as is the reason for this thread.
God bless
Ed J
Actually no. I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. I was thinking that if I was to put certain stuff out there, it would almost be a given that it would be trampled under foot by some here.Hence part of the reason why I was suggesting a different forum for that sort of thing.
Really Ed J, there is no conspiracy here. Just a desire to connect with the right people to discuss some things at a deeper level. Something that is not possible here unless it is an exclusive discussion that has a set of rules.
Hi T8,You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,23:13) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,15:00) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,11:02) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 28 2012,07:11) Would it make you happier if I cast pearls before swine or should I exercise wisdom regarding that. Surely the latter.
Hi T8,Are you now falsely accusing me of bring swine?
…or would you say that is my paranoia again since this post is clearly addressed to me, as is the reason for this thread.
God bless
Ed J
Actually no. I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. I was thinking that if I was to put certain stuff out there, it would almost be a given that it would be trampled under foot by some here.Hence part of the reason why I was suggesting a different forum for that sort of thing.
Really Ed J, there is no conspiracy here. Just a desire to connect with the right people to discuss some things at a deeper level. Something that is not possible here unless it is an exclusive discussion that has a set of rules.
Hi T8,You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
don't push your luk
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:13) Hi T8, You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
Still considering if having the new forum is a good idea or not.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 29 2012,05:32) If you see Jessu as purely a human being then please explain to us why God would Morphe him into a human in the first place.
God didn' morphe. The Word became flesh.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 29 2012,06:15) You as well as all Trinitarian and Preexistence Preach a Doctrine that separates Jesus' exact idenity with the rest of his brothers and sisters no matter what you say IMO
Whether you like it or not, he is the prototype son.
So that is one significant thing that is different.And we will be like him. So we are modeled after him so to speak.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:13) Hi T8, You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
Still considering if having the new forum is a good idea or not.
Yes, but that doesn't answer my question.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,14:49) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:13) Hi T8, You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
Still considering if having the new forum is a good idea or not.
Yes, but that doesn't answer my question.
Ed, after you mentioned your four square God thing, T8 said:”you've done it now.” And in the next post he said:Posted: Nov. 24 2012,20:33
“I guess if people become believers and show no respect for the sacredness of doctrine and truth and teach their own imaginations and not what comes from the Spirit, then there comes a time when they become “nutters”.This happens so that all can see to not follow them because God will judge false teachers just as he does false prophets and false apostles.”
Then, that same day, not much long after if I remember, he created this thread speaking of going “nutter” free in some separate part of the website.
Given these facts, it seems that the tipping point of him deciding to possibly go forward with this thread, most likely is “Ed” related, and so logically, if there are people on the out, I can't see how you, the “tippee,” would not be in the out group.
I'll talk to t8, and see if I can get you in. He and I are bestest buds.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,14:39) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 29 2012,06:15) You as well as all Trinitarian and Preexistence Preach a Doctrine that separates Jesus' exact identity with the rest of his brothers and sisters no matter what you say IMO
Whether you like it or not, he is the prototype son.
So that is one significant thing that is different.And we will be like him. So we are modeled after him so to speak.
T8………We are Prototypes of God also or haven't you read . in the “image” of God created them male and female created he them And put that together with what it say about Jesus , our “brother”, He also was in the image of God So what the difference between Jesus and the rest of Us. God has put all thing under “mans” feet and that includes the Man Jesus' feet. The First “born” of or from all creation into the kingdom of God . How plain, how simple, nothing complicated about it, no mystery religious teaching that move Jesus away from our exact identity with him like the false doctrines you trinitarians and Preexistences teach which separates Jesus from our “exact” identity with him. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote And we will be like him. So we are modeled after him so to speak. yes in the true humble way to submit to our father and God,
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,17:49) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:13) Hi T8, You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
Still considering if having the new forum is a good idea or not.
Yes, but that doesn't answer my question.
That is like asking who is God when you are undecided as to whether God exists at all.You want me to run to base 3 and I am not even on base 1.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2012,07:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,17:49) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:13) Hi T8, You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
Still considering if having the new forum is a good idea or not.
Yes, but that doesn't answer my question.
That is like asking who is God when you are undecided as to whether God exists at all.You want me to run to base 3 and I am not even on base 1.
Hi T8,Thank you for at least admitting that you would be willing to reconsider changing your mind on both accounts.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgWe Do need the true seekers that adhere to the scriptures,and dont ignore what the scriptures says.
There are too many here, that dont consider the scriptures HOLY,and just trample on them to uphold their own doctrine.
They come with their baggage, and refuse to let go,despite true scriptures shown to them.Many scriptures has been ignored here,and that is a shame.
Ignored for fear, or for pride,or both.That box some are in are too strong to break,to give it away for the truth is a great price to pay.IGNORING scriptures to prove any doctrine is not worth a dime.
Let the scriptures do the judging.
Accept what the scriptures says,even if it looks to be contradictory to the accepted doctrine.It is the doctrine that is contradictory,not the scriptures.An honest heart, and seeking heart, is required.
Or the truth will not be revealed.
There is so much we can learn here,if only we are honest with our selves.Rebuke ,but with knowledge,not angry hateful words.
Set straight, using scriptures,not with abuse.
Compare scripture with scripture,only.
This is how we eat the FLESH OF CHRIST.
This is how HE will be part of us,HE in us, and we in HIM,and all in GOD.I think its a very good idea.Anyone ignoring the scriptures presented to them; will be out,will be considered not genuine.
wakeup.
Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2012,14:59) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,14:49) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,07:13) Hi T8, You mean you really intend to invite me to the new forum you are considering?
Still considering if having the new forum is a good idea or not.
Yes, but that doesn't answer my question.
Ed, after you mentioned your four square God thing, T8 said:”you've done it now.” And in the next post he said:Posted: Nov. 24 2012,20:33
“I guess if people become believers and show no respect for the sacredness of doctrine and truth and teach their own imaginations and not what comes from the Spirit, then there comes a time when they become “nutters”.This happens so that all can see to not follow them because God will judge false teachers just as he does false prophets and false apostles.”
Then, that same day, not much long after if I remember, he created this thread speaking of going “nutter” free in some separate part of the website.
Given these facts, it seems that the tipping point of him deciding to possibly go forward with this thread, most likely is “Ed” related, and so logically, if there are people on the out, I can't see how you, the “tippee,” would not be in the out group.
I'll talk to t8, and see if I can get you in. He and I are bestest buds.
Hi David,That's how I understood it as well, and why I compared his premise
(as well as yours) with the crowd's premise concerning Jesus in Mark 3:21:20 And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.
Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they
(the multitude) said, He (Jesus) is beside himself (a Delusional Nutcase).” (Link)Jesus also forewarned his followers how they would be treated as he had in these several verses:
“Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his Lord. If they have persecuted me,
they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.” (John 15:20)“These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out
of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will 'THINK' that he doeth God service.” (John 16:1-2)I believe this next verse hits the nail right on the head:
“And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy;
and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it.
And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let
your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words,
when ye depart out of that house or city (or forum), shake off the dust of your feet.” (Matt 10:11-14)But to also be fair in all this, T8 has also indicated that I posses “wisdom”, in that this next quote is clearly poised at me…
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,21:13) Some members start of as what appears to be true seekers and
they might even tread carefully with things which shows wisdom.Peace and wellness to everyone here at Heaven net,
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http:/wwwholycitybiblecodeorg (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (2besee @ Nov. 30 2012,07:47) Wisdom on the other hand (in the next chapter chapter eight)
calls people also; and “she” calls them to life.
Here is an alternative view to wisdom which I found:“The context clearly shows that the passage is referring to God's own eternal attribute of Wisdom:
…The LORD BY WISDOM founded the earth; BY UNDERSTANDING
he established the heavens; BY HIS KNOWLEDGE the deeps broke forth,
and the clouds drop down the dew.” Proverbs 3:13-20
Hi 2Besee, You are correct!“Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:” (Deut 32:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2012,10:22) .We are Prototypes of God also or haven't you read . in the “image” of God created them male and female created he them
Gene. The fact that we are modelled after Christ shows that we are not prototypes.And who is the first born to you?
Are we the first born too?
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 01 2012,15:02) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2012,10:22) .We are Prototypes of God also or haven't you read . in the “image” of God created them male and female created he them
Gene. The fact that we are modelled after Christ shows that we are not prototypes.And who is the first born to you?
Are we the first born too?
T8……….It does not say after Jesus is our “IMAGE but after God we are Created in “HIS” IMAGE. In the “IMAGE of GOD Created He them Male and Female Created He them.You ask who is the First “BORN” that would be “CAIN”.
Now if you mean who is the Firstborn into the Kingdom of God from all creation that would Be the MAN JESUS> the First from all CREATION to be “BORN” into the Kingdom of God.
All who are to be in the First Resurrection are consider to be the First Fruits from mankind also in a general sense.
Jesus is the One and only one “born into the Kingdom of God at the time that scriptures was written and is still the only one until the first general resurrection take place. Then he no longer will the the “ONLY” ONE from all creation born into the Kingdom of God.
T8…..Can't you even see how your belief separates you from exactly identifying with Jesus? He was one of us human being in every way T8.
What God did for Jesus he can also do for us to, there is not on ounce of difference between us and Jesus our Brother not even an Once of difference. If only you and other could come to see this how encouraging it would be for you all brother.
peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………..gene
To All………..Act 17:29…….> Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone graven by art, and man's devices. (30) and the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: (31) Because he has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in rightiousness by that man who he has ordained; whereof he has given assurence unto all men in that he Has raised Him (the dead “man” Jesus ) from the “dead”.
peace and love to you all ………………………gene
Gene,
Romans 8:29 King James Version
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2012,04:08) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,20:15) Well, t8, the 'YHWH Echad' is what I have been calling it and you know this so why do you pretend that you don't? A married couple is two persons but you don't call a married couple a binity. Why must a unity of two persons be called a binity when speaking of God? Do you attach a numeral to every unity? If not, then why do you all of the sudden do it here, with God? What do you call a unity with eight members…an octinity? Just keep it simple, it is not about numbers but about unity. There is no need to use words to describe God that are not found in the Bible.
Sorry 'YHWH Echad' is not a married couple or a couple. No he is ONE.
For us there is ONE God the Father.
For you there is one God the Father and the Son making God a couple, as you say.If you don't like 'Binity', then what about “God Couple' or 'God Squad', or something that says upfront that your theory on God is that he is a group of 2 or biune. I think we should just call it what you are saying it is.
t8,Quote Sorry 'YHWH Echad' is not a married couple or a couple. No he is ONE. I know they are not a couple but they are one, Jesus makes that clear when He says 'the Father and I are one.' And they act together to do God size acts, i.e. creation, eternal salvation, answer prayer and both are given glory, honor and dominion FOR EVER AND EVER.
Call this the 'Eternal God Unity' and YHWH is the name of that unity as well as the name of each member.
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