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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 25 2012,02:38) Quote (david @ Nov. 24 2012,21:03) Quote Categories would be less because we wouldn't be discussing denominations, false teaching, and there will be no Skeptic Area too. These will all stay here and continue as they are. From what I can tell, the new forum will be a relaxing place where people don't disagree. That is nice. But, either no one will discuss scripture, or you will discuss scripture with two opposing ideas, and hence, in any conversation, one of you will most likely be teaching falsely. It could possibly be like the testimonies section, without discussion.
I've been trying to determine what mike, Pierre and t8's common beliefs are, and where they disagree. Now that such ones are getting organized, and becoming exclusive, I suggest that the first thing you do over there is create a set of rules keeping others out, who specifically to keep out.
You will need to set up an outline of beliefs that are acceptable. I could write them down. I have been wanting to know what those beliefs are anyway. So, once this becomes exclusive, and we know who to keep out and what we believe or teach, I think it makes sense to keep the leadership arrangement in place with T8 as the super moderator, and mike as second in command. It will help keep this exclusive group organized. Now, we just need a distinct name to separate that group from the nutters.
I would like to throw: “bible students” into the hat as a possible name. That is what JW's were called for decades.
So, it would keep the nutters out, that don't agree with what we believe. It would have the usual moderators, and we would of course be organized with rules for conduct and what kind of conduct is allowed. And we would have a set of core beliefs that shows we are the real Christians. And we have a name, (bible students) if others like the name.
I think the first rule we have is the first rule that T8, mike and Pierre agree upon:
1. Organized religion is not necessary.
yeah, but first rule and the only rule would be HOW CAN I HELP YOU
but not how can my organization help you see this is not the same ;
all we want his people to go to Christ and their creator God and father of Christ ,TO BE SAVED
NOT FIRST THE ORGANIZATION THEN CHRIST THEN GOD ,AND IN CASE OF CONFLIC JUST TO THE ORGANIZATION
Terrarica, I'm not sure you read or understand my post.And, that would not be the only rule.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 25 2012,02:44) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2012,22:40) Hi Wm, It would only apply to you if you deny him –
…why, do you feel like you have denied him?God bless
Ed J
Ed,
Okay, you accuse someone of something out of the blue, then question their “guilty conscience” when they ask about it. Is that working out well for you?
Hi Wm,I have not 'accused' you of anything?
…sorry if you thought I had. 
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Nov. 24 2012,22:12) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 25 2012,02:38) Quote (david @ Nov. 24 2012,21:03) Quote Categories would be less because we wouldn't be discussing denominations, false teaching, and there will be no Skeptic Area too. These will all stay here and continue as they are. From what I can tell, the new forum will be a relaxing place where people don't disagree. That is nice. But, either no one will discuss scripture, or you will discuss scripture with two opposing ideas, and hence, in any conversation, one of you will most likely be teaching falsely. It could possibly be like the testimonies section, without discussion.
I've been trying to determine what mike, Pierre and t8's common beliefs are, and where they disagree. Now that such ones are getting organized, and becoming exclusive, I suggest that the first thing you do over there is create a set of rules keeping others out, who specifically to keep out.
You will need to set up an outline of beliefs that are acceptable. I could write them down. I have been wanting to know what those beliefs are anyway. So, once this becomes exclusive, and we know who to keep out and what we believe or teach, I think it makes sense to keep the leadership arrangement in place with T8 as the super moderator, and mike as second in command. It will help keep this exclusive group organized. Now, we just need a distinct name to separate that group from the nutters.
I would like to throw: “bible students” into the hat as a possible name. That is what JW's were called for decades.
So, it would keep the nutters out, that don't agree with what we believe. It would have the usual moderators, and we would of course be organized with rules for conduct and what kind of conduct is allowed. And we would have a set of core beliefs that shows we are the real Christians. And we have a name, (bible students) if others like the name.
I think the first rule we have is the first rule that T8, mike and Pierre agree upon:
1. Organized religion is not necessary.
yeah, but first rule and the only rule would be HOW CAN I HELP YOU but not how can my organization help you see this is not the same ;
all we want his people to go to Christ and their creator God and father of Christ ,TO BE SAVED
NOT FIRST THE ORGANIZATION THEN CHRIST THEN GOD ,AND IN CASE OF CONFLIC JUST TO THE ORGANIZATION
Terrarica, I'm not sure you read or understand my post.And, that would not be the only rule.
Dto me an organised religion give a false security based on men rather than God and his word,
see their can not be a substitude for Christ and his father ,
they are the ones that supply the goodies not men
For my part it seems that there are more here looking for an argument than for truth. I would love an environment where as long as it is based on scripture ( even of questionable interpretation) topics could be openly discussed and explored, once an impasse is reached just agree to disagree and move on. If i do not chose to accept correction leave it to God to work in my life. I want to hear what others think because i may have gone off the tracks but it is not your charge to bring about correction but only to present me the truth.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 25 2012,05:18) For my part it seems that there are more here looking for an argument than for truth. I would love an environment where as long as it is based on scripture ( even of questionable interpretation) topics could be openly discussed and explored, once an impasse is reached just agree to disagree and move on. If i do not chose to accept correction leave it to God to work in my life. I want to hear what others think because i may have gone off the tracks but it is not your charge to bring about correction but only to present me the truth.
Hi Wm, Amen!All except the agree to disagree part that is.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 24 2012,12:18) …………it is not your charge to bring about correction but only to present me the truth.
Well said, Wm. I will do well to remember that.As for this “exclusive forum”, it seems to me that it would be boring and uneventful. Here's my thoughts as to the first thread…………..
Mike: I believe Jesus is the Word of God who became flesh and dwelled on earth.
t8: I agree.
Pierre: I also agree.
End of thread.
Personally, I learn so much more about the scriptures from those who believe differently than I do. When they make a claim that is alien to my beliefs, it causes me to delve deeper into the scriptures to either verify that they were right, or to verify that I was on the right track all along. If all members agree on all things, where is the scriptural challenge?
I appreciate members like Wakeup, Devo, and journey here, because they try their best to bring up non trinity and pre-existence related issues. So we have the chance to engage in those types of discussions right here and right now. And there is nothing stopping any of us on this forum from bringing up any scriptural issue. There is also nothing stopping any of us from starting a thread and limiting those who are allowed to comment in that thread.
My two cents………….
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 25 2012,00:18) For my part it seems that there are more here looking for an argument than for truth. I would love an environment where as long as it is based on scripture ( even of questionable interpretation) topics could be openly discussed and explored, once an impasse is reached just agree to disagree and move on. If i do not chose to accept correction leave it to God to work in my life. I want to hear what others think because i may have gone off the tracks but it is not your charge to bring about correction but only to present me the truth.
williamright you are,but to many think they have their own truth about scriptures and so void God word in favor of their own voice,it is mainly out of jealousy ,and so they bring distortion to this site ,and belittle others so they feel compensate for their false input,
they do not want to think that they are responsible for all their empty words,and so neglect the true words of Gods message
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 25 2012,04:23) Are you talking to me, or T8.
No.IMO you have been reasonable and are able to hold a good conversation and it would be good to know more about what you think, but is hard sometimes among all the other stuff.
Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,04:28) Quote I am not going to judge and say you are not a Believer or a Christian –t8
Won't those excluded essentially be judged in such a way.
Not at all. That is not my call to make.I would like to be in the company of those who are able to progress, think clearly, are reasonable, and who able to change their mind when truth blows away their own misunderstandings.
I should also mention that I didn't have in mind that some would move over, but that some would have access to discuss things without hindrance from thing like ignorance, preconceived ideas above truth, denominational works etc. We would all discuss here too and this would remain. I am not about to trash this forum ever. There has been a lot of work put into it by people over the years. It will remain.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2012,02:25) To run from truth seems to be the status quo of the religious mindset. The very denominationalism you proclaim yourself to be against
is now what you seek to establish, yet you are too blind to see it.
When truth hits home, the natural reaction is to ‘kill the messenger’.“These things have I(Jesus) spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever
killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you,
because they have not known the Father ([יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā), nor me ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă).”
Denominationism (if there is such a word) is not about wanting to be with people who love God and are humble and reasonable. Jesus obviously didn't hang with people who were blind, unreasonable, and who taught false doctrine.Yes he spoke to them, tried to help them, and may even have rebuked them which happens here, but they were not part of his band of regular people he hung with.
Your comment is a prime example of what I am talking about. You jumped to a false conclusion because of your insecurity that then requires a response, when I would honestly prefer to be talking about something that is beneficial with someone who is knowledgeable, humble, wants to explore the truth, and is not insecure because they know they love the truth to the point that it is not going to make them get upset no matter how much it is a challenge to them.
To me this forum has a niche in the Body of Christ because it challenges all things and it takes all types to create all things. And obviously not all is of God and this forum allows all to speak freely within guidelines that try to keep everything smooth and easy to find.
I was talking about a completely different place similar perhaps to discussions that the disciples of Jesus would have had with each other when the Pharisees weren't around.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 25 2012,07:43) Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,04:28) Quote I am not going to judge and say you are not a Believer or a Christian –t8
Won't those excluded essentially be judged in such a way.
Not at all. That is not my call to make.I would like to be in the company of those who are able to progress, think clearly, are reasonable, and who able to change their mind when truth blows away their own misunderstandings.
If you aren't going to state who the true believers or Christians are, could you perhaps tell us who the Pharisee type people are as mentioned above?These are the extremes david because might not include believers who are not pharisees too.
The idea is to create a space where more mature believers can share their views and experiences. For example, I would like to share stuff that God has done in my life, but I do not do that here because of some here, I feel it would be casting pearls before swine, hence not wise.
In the right space such things could be discussed in a true and mature manner without having things trampled into the mud. I don't think this forum is good for that but admit it is good for other things like challenging all manner of doctrine that we find in the world.
In saying this, it is still only an idea even though the BBS is already built. Could turn out to never use it. But ultimately if it went ahead, things would probably be voted in or out by the other members and not exclusively myself. (I would count as 1 member of course). That system would never work well here given the wide range of beliefs and maturity here.
“a space where more mature believers…”
So far, what I'm getting is that the mature believers, or the “true believers” can get away from the other ones in the same way Jesus disciples, got away from the Pharisees.
I vote “yes.” I need a vacation from Ed.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,21:32) I was talking about a completely different place similar perhaps to discussions that the disciples of Jesus would have had with each other when the Pharisees weren't around.
It sounds nice, now that you put it that way.Ahhhh…depending on who is 'invited,' this could be the beginnings of the HN cybercult directed by a fearless leader, i.e. 'Super Moderator.'
Would there be an initiation ceremony? How about levels to achieve?
Wait a minute…this sounds like something that would be considered an 'organized religion' that would be organized by those who are against organized religion.David, do you think you would be one of those that are invited? BTW, I think you take too many vacations and would like to see you around here more.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,04:13) Ahhhh…depending on who is 'invited,' this could be the beginnings of the HN cybercult directed by a fearless leader, i.e. 'Super Moderator.'
Would there be an initiation ceremony? How about levels to achieve?
Wait a minute…this sounds like something that would be considered an 'organized religion' that would be organized by those who are against organized religion.David, do you think you would be one of those that are invited? BTW, I think you take too many vacations and would like to see you around here more.
Lightenup………….Good Point. I wounder who would be the ones invited to the Cyber Cult Party?, As if i arealy don't know. Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,04:08) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,21:32) I was talking about a completely different place similar perhaps to discussions that the disciples of Jesus would have had with each other when the Pharisees weren't around.
It sounds nice, now that you put it that way.
Is there room service? How comfy are the beds? I would like a room facing the ocean.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,04:13) Ahhhh…depending on who is 'invited,' this could be the beginnings of the HN cybercult directed by a fearless leader, i.e. 'Super Moderator.'
Would there be an initiation ceremony? How about levels to achieve?
Wait a minute…this sounds like something that would be considered an 'organized religion' that would be organized by those who are against organized religion.David, do you think you would be one of those that are invited? BTW, I think you take too many vacations and would like to see you around here more.
I suggest we invite lighten up into our inner circle, because she seems to have complimented me in this post.
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