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Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,05:24) Hi BD, So you reject “eyewitness testimony” in favor of 'conjecture'.
Your conjecture is nothing that anyone would call “PROOF”?
“Eyewitness testimony” is enough to establish the matter.“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Hi Ed:Maybe it is just him that doesn't need a saviour?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,05:24) Hi BD, So you reject “eyewitness testimony” in favor of 'conjecture'.
Your conjecture is nothing that anyone would call “PROOF”?
“Eyewitness testimony” is enough to establish the matter.“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Luke 23:16
I will therefore chastise him, and release him.Luke 23:22
And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.3 witnesses that Pontious Pilate said he will release Jesus and you have 3 witnesses that Jesus asked to be saved from the cross in the Garden with tears and sweat dripping like blood.
Quote (942767 @ May 10 2012,06:52) Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,05:24) Hi BD, So you reject “eyewitness testimony” in favor of 'conjecture'.
Your conjecture is nothing that anyone would call “PROOF”?
“Eyewitness testimony” is enough to establish the matter.“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Hi Ed:Maybe it is just him that doesn't need a saviour?
Love in Christ,
Marty
God is the Only Saviour although he has sent many saviours on His behalf:Nehemiah 9:27
Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.Obadiah 1:21
And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.Isaiah 19:20
And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.So God sends saviours and you call Jesus your saviour and I have no problem with it at all but just as God is THE OMLY TRUE GOD so is it with SAVIOURS there really is only one and it is not Jesus it is God Almighty.
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.The problem is most of you confuse the messenger with the one who sent the message. They say “God says” and then you think they are GOD that is saying it. They say “I came to save you according to the will of God ” then you think the one who came to Save you “is God” acting according to His will
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 11 2012,11:17) Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,05:24) Hi BD, So you reject “eyewitness testimony” in favor of 'conjecture'.
Your conjecture is nothing that anyone would call “PROOF”?
“Eyewitness testimony” is enough to establish the matter.“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Luke 23:16
I will therefore chastise him, and release him.Luke 23:22
And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.3 witnesses that Pontious Pilate said he will release Jesus and you have 3 witnesses that Jesus asked to be saved from the cross in the Garden with tears and sweat dripping like blood.
Hi BD,Matt. 27:24…26 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing,
but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed
his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood
of this just person: see ye to it. he delivered him to be crucified.B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ May 11 2012,12:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 11 2012,11:17) Quote (Ed J @ May 10 2012,05:24) Hi BD, So you reject “eyewitness testimony” in favor of 'conjecture'.
Your conjecture is nothing that anyone would call “PROOF”?
“Eyewitness testimony” is enough to establish the matter.“At the mouth of three witnesses,
shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Luke 23:16
I will therefore chastise him, and release him.Luke 23:22
And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.3 witnesses that Pontious Pilate said he will release Jesus and you have 3 witnesses that Jesus asked to be saved from the cross in the Garden with tears and sweat dripping like blood.
Hi BD,Matt. 27:24…26 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing,
but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed
his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood
of this just person: see ye to it. he delivered him to be crucified.B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Matt. 27:24…26 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing,
but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed
his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood
of this just person: see ye to it. he delivered him to be crucified.I am aying that Pilate washing his hands shows he is not turning over Jesus he could have turned over someone else especially since it's what he said he wanted to do and Romans in that day were not concerned about the feelings of the Jews at all, they did whatever they wanted to do whether in public or private, so my point is if Pilate truly wanted to let go of Jesus he would have found a way to do it.
Pilate had even kept the body of “Jesus” until it was picked up later that night by Nicodemus that's not what happened to crucified criminals hy do you think there is so much secretiveness?
Hi BD, your comprehension skills (reading the bible) appear to be lacking.
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but
secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take
away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came
therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” (John 19:38)“And when the centurion, which stood over against him,
saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said,
Truly this man was the Son of God.” (Mark 15:39)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2012,02:42) Pilate had even kept the body of “Jesus”
You are reading into the text.Hi BD:
No, I am not confusing the messenger with the one who sent him. Without God there would be no Jesus and without Jesus obeying God without sin unto death, there would be no resurrection from the dead. There would be no propitiation for our sins.
Of Jesus the scripture states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Ed J @ May 12 2012,03:51) Hi BD, your comprehension skills (reading the bible) appear to be lacking. “And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but
secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take
away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came
therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” (John 19:38)“And when the centurion, which stood over against him,
saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said,
Truly this man was the Son of God.” (Mark 15:39)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
“And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but
secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take
away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came
therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” (John 19:38)Why would he be afraid to take a dead persons body and why would he a disciple of Jesus not be afraid of Pilate?
Why would he even consider that Pilate would give him the body?
Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,10:43) Hi BD: No, I am not confusing the messenger with the one who sent him. Without God there would be no Jesus and without Jesus obeying God without sin unto death, there would be no resurrection from the dead. There would be no propitiation for our sins.
Of Jesus the scripture states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Everybody who believes that Jesus was sent by God is of God no special qualification needed.Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.See you take the clarity and simplicity of God's love and try to make all sorts of stipulations, doctrines and qualifications that don't exist.
Christians say things like Jesus died for the sins of the world but you are only saved if you believe that, but Christians also say that Adam is th cause of sin being on every soul and it doesn't matter if you believe it. In other words this makes Adam's sin greater than what Jesus did if it were true.
If all sinned through Adam although no fault of their own matters then all salvation should apply equally with no effort or even knowledge of salvation.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2012,12:28) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,10:43) Hi BD: No, I am not confusing the messenger with the one who sent him. Without God there would be no Jesus and without Jesus obeying God without sin unto death, there would be no resurrection from the dead. There would be no propitiation for our sins.
Of Jesus the scripture states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Everybody who believes that Jesus was sent by God is of God no special qualification needed.Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.See you take the clarity and simplicity of God's love and try to make all sorts of stipulations, doctrines and qualifications that don't exist.
Christians say things like Jesus died for the sins of the world but you are only saved if you believe that, but Christians also say that Adam is th cause of sin being on every soul and it doesn't matter if you believe it. In other words this makes Adam's sin greater than what Jesus did if it were true.
If all sinned through Adam although no fault of their own matters then all salvation should apply equally with no effort or even knowledge of salvation.
Hi BD:You have used 1 4:2 before showing indicating that you believe, but I have shown you the context of this scripture, and here it is again. Do you believe this as it is stated?
Quote 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 12 2012,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2012,12:28) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,10:43) Hi BD: No, I am not confusing the messenger with the one who sent him. Without God there would be no Jesus and without Jesus obeying God without sin unto death, there would be no resurrection from the dead. There would be no propitiation for our sins.
Of Jesus the scripture states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Everybody who believes that Jesus was sent by God is of God no special qualification needed.Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.See you take the clarity and simplicity of God's love and try to make all sorts of stipulations, doctrines and qualifications that don't exist.
Christians say things like Jesus died for the sins of the world but you are only saved if you believe that, but Christians also say that Adam is th cause of sin being on every soul and it doesn't matter if you believe it. In other words this makes Adam's sin greater than what Jesus did if it were true.
If all sinned through Adam although no fault of their own matters then all salvation should apply equally with no effort or even knowledge of salvation.
Hi BD:You have used 1 4:2 before showing indicating that you believe, but I have shown you the context of this scripture, and here it is again. Do you believe this as it is stated?
Quote 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You see it's funny no matter what I say you will add another condition to it. Jesus didn't even do that.John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.No other conditions. Believe in God and that God sent me, that's it. You can pull out a laundry list of different doctrines after that but while doing so you will miss the point.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2012,02:43) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2012,12:28) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,10:43) Hi BD: No, I am not confusing the messenger with the one who sent him. Without God there would be no Jesus and without Jesus obeying God without sin unto death, there would be no resurrection from the dead. There would be no propitiation for our sins.
Of Jesus the scripture states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Everybody who believes that Jesus was sent by God is of God no special qualification needed.Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.See you take the clarity and simplicity of God's love and try to make all sorts of stipulations, doctrines and qualifications that don't exist.
Christians say things like Jesus died for the sins of the world but you are only saved if you believe that, but Christians also say that Adam is th cause of sin being on every soul and it doesn't matter if you believe it. In other words this makes Adam's sin greater than what Jesus did if it were true.
If all sinned through Adam although no fault of their own matters then all salvation should apply equally with no effort or even knowledge of salvation.
Hi BD:You have used 1 4:2 before showing indicating that you believe, but I have shown you the context of this scripture, and here it is again. Do you believe this as it is stated?
Quote 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You see it's funny no matter what I say you will add another condition to it. Jesus didn't even do that.John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.No other conditions. Believe in God and that God sent me, that's it. You can pull out a laundry list of different doctrines after that but while doing so you will miss the point.
Hi BD:Believing is not just a mental assent.
I did not add anything to his Word. You took one verse out of context to say that you believe, but no, you do not believe his Word. You want to pick and choose what you believe in the bible.
Salvation is by Faith so that it might be by grace. It not what we can do for God but what he has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
It like this my friend BD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-4NFvI5U9w
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2012,08:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2012,02:43) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2012,12:28) Quote (942767 @ May 12 2012,10:43) Hi BD: No, I am not confusing the messenger with the one who sent him. Without God there would be no Jesus and without Jesus obeying God without sin unto death, there would be no resurrection from the dead. There would be no propitiation for our sins.
Of Jesus the scripture states:
Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Everybody who believes that Jesus was sent by God is of God no special qualification needed.Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.See you take the clarity and simplicity of God's love and try to make all sorts of stipulations, doctrines and qualifications that don't exist.
Christians say things like Jesus died for the sins of the world but you are only saved if you believe that, but Christians also say that Adam is th cause of sin being on every soul and it doesn't matter if you believe it. In other words this makes Adam's sin greater than what Jesus did if it were true.
If all sinned through Adam although no fault of their own matters then all salvation should apply equally with no effort or even knowledge of salvation.
Hi BD:You have used 1 4:2 before showing indicating that you believe, but I have shown you the context of this scripture, and here it is again. Do you believe this as it is stated?
Quote 1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
Love in Christ,
Marty
You see it's funny no matter what I say you will add another condition to it. Jesus didn't even do that.John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.No other conditions. Believe in God and that God sent me, that's it. You can pull out a laundry list of different doctrines after that but while doing so you will miss the point.
Quote Hi BD: Believing is not just a mental assent.
I did not add anything to his Word. You took one verse out of context to say that you believe, but no, you do not believe his Word. You want to pick and choose what you believe in the bible.
You have already picked and chosen which words you like and you have also decided for yourself not to believe in the Quran. God didn't tell you not to believe it, You chose.
Quote Salvation is by Faith so that it might be by grace. You can't believe that if you did you would believe everything else I have said because I have said the whole time that Faith in God is Salvation
[Quote] It not what we can do for God but what he has done for us in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.[Quote]
So Before then God didn't do amything for us? Marty, God is not a 2000 year old phenomenon, you keep pretending God had nothing to do until Jesus was sent it's an immature position.
God Bless!
Hi BD:
I know through personal experience that Jesus is only Begotten Son and His Christ, and that Jesus obeyed God without sin unto death on the cross, and that God has raised him from the dead, and that through him my sins have been forgiven, and I have a personal relationship with God my Father because I have come to God with a repentant heart believing what God has done for me in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
The Quran says that God did not have any Son, and states that Jesus was not crucified. God does not speak in the bible saying one thing and in the Quran saying something else, therefore, the Quran is not the Word of God.
I am praying that God will help you to understand the truth.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi BD:
This from the Apostle Paul:
Quote 1Cr 2:4 And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 1Cr 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Cr 2:6 ¶ Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Cr 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2012,13:17) Hi BD: I know through personal experience that Jesus is only Begotten Son and His Christ, and that Jesus obeyed God without sin unto death on the cross, and that God has raised him from the dead, and that through him my sins have been forgiven, and I have a personal relationship with God my Father because I have come to God with a repentant heart believing what God has done for me in the person of His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
The Quran says that God did not have any Son, and states that Jesus was not crucified. God does not speak in the bible saying one thing and in the Quran saying something else, therefore, the Quran is not the Word of God.
I am praying that God will help you to understand the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What you know from your “personal” experience is that Jesus is Christ. Jesus never came and told you he was the only begotten did he? Of course he didn't.The Quran and the Bible agree that Jesus was the servant of God Almighty in-fact in the Bible many plases tht sa “Son” in one version say “Servant” in another version.
The Quran is Literally speaking the Bible is using Metaphoric speaking. God is in fact always your Creator but as a metaphor you say God adopted you and he is your father and obviously that is a metaphor you repenting and becoming a servant and dedicated to God.
The only thing that is incorrect about your understanding of God is in not understanding the beauty of the language and making it literal. The Quran is literal hence God is not a Man and therefore does not beget children nor was he begotten.
Quote (942767 @ May 13 2012,13:56) Hi BD: It is like this:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty
If it is like that then have faith in that
Hi BD, It's nice to see that you see your own reflection! (James 1:23)
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2012,02:43)
You see it's funny no matter what I say you will add another condition to it. Jesus didn't even do that.
And neither does Ed, but you have to me! Here's your proof…Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,17:49) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2009,16:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,15:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,15:22)
Ed could you figure this out?3.68421052631578947
The meaning of this number?
Great you should be able to figure this out, if you do you truly are “witness“ if not you fail.This is your test set up specifically for you since 2005
so what will you say?
Hi BD,The answer to your riddle is 420÷114 = 3.68421052631578947
Now will you turn to my GOD(YHVH); and stop worshiping false gods?
Very Good 420/114I will tell you I am starting to believe your calling because this quest
has been given to many and none has arrived at 420/114 including me.Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,01:25)
This insight was given to me to strengthen ‘your belief’ in my God, YHVH!
Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 18 2012,20:40)
How is that a meaning ED? What is the meaning?'Desolate' in Hebrew is ‘420’ and 'desolation' in English is ‘114’.
The Prophetic meaning of 420÷114=3.68421052631578947 is this
The muslims goal is to divide up the land of Israel against God's will.Ps.83:4 For they (muslims) have said, Come, and let us cut them
off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more
in remembrance. But He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:
shall have them in derision.Daniel 9:27 – Mark 13:13
420 stands for the abomination of of desolation of desolation
The Prophet Daniel's name means “God is Judge”!
Daniel 9:27 …he shall make it desolate(420=משמם)…
And the 114 stands for the 114 suras (chapters) in the quran!The number 3.68421052631578947 was given to you(Asana Bodhitharta)
to confirm to that the message is true and the interpretation thereof sure!The 420 stands for: ‘the dome of the rock’
sitting in the place where it aught not;
on the temple mount in Jerusalem.And Bod, YOU already know that 114
stands for the 114 QURANIC SURAS!Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 12 2012,12:35)
Otherwise ED is right and Jesus has already returned at pentecost
if this is correct you should really start taking him seriouslyWitness (Ed) עד (Joshua 22:34)
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