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Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 15 2011,21:00) Hi SF,
By example i mean stuff like loving one another as he loves us, by realizing the greatest thing one friend can do for another is die for them, by living a life as a servant of God and such. I don't mean by making my life your life or anyone's life a re-run of Jesus' life. He had his life to live we each have our own. In fact Jesus said we should love our neighbors as ourselves and I am certain that he also means our family members as well. To my mind the hate your family thing was a rhetorical statement used to emphasize the great love are to give to God while serving him.
Welcome! I do agree with you that the trinity is wrong. I also agree that we need God. I don't agree that God alone created all. He used Jesus to do that.
Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
If you have problems believing that The Word of God who became flesh is Jesus then read this
Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
I don't think there is any other being that fits this description. I
also believe that God and The Word of God are titles, just like President, and King and LORD. They both have other names.Also in this Scripture it tells us that through Jesus all was created.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created
In Genesis too it says us and our, which shows us that God did not create all only by Himself. Therefore Jesus preexisted His birth here on earth. If you don't agree with that, there are over 40 Scriptures that will show you in the preexisting 2 tread.
May God bless you and keep you in His Love.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Baker @ Mar. 16 2011,08:06)
I don't agree that God alone created all.
Hi Irene, (Isaiah 44:24-25)Are you saying that you do not believe Isaiah 44:24?
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
I the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens “ALONE”;
that spreadeth abroad the earth “BY MYSELF”; that frustrateth the tokens of the liars,
and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,02:29) Quote Hi Paladin, This does NOT sufficiently answer the question I asked?
David was long dead long before Jesus was born.Q. Who was Jesus' Father? …try again!
Nope! It is not a “trial and error” contest I am engaged in here.
No need for me to “try again” just to satisfy your doctrinal dogmatics.
How can God give Jesus the throne of his father David, if David is not his father?
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,02:36) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2011,02:21) Paladin………You have it right brother, but MYSTERY RELIGION has blinded their eyes and they can't understand this, they have bought into the lie that false “Christianity” has created of a “spirit body” by misunderstanding the words 'Spiritual Bodies”, the simple truth has no place in them. They must make everything into some kind of Mystery when the simple truth is much clearer and easer to understand. But i am so glad that God has given some that understand these simple truths brother. peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Hi Gene,This 'I was right' stuff ' DOESN'T HELP ONE BIT HERE!
…do you feel insecure? …do you need 'pat's on the back' and 'atta boy's'?At this point he hasn't given anybody understanding! WAKE-UP Gene!
Think about it!
Ed J (Isaiah 1:18-19)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Lighten up my friend; and Gene is my friend too, and we all need a little “atta boy” once in a while, especially if we see agreement in something posted.Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 16 2011,09:18) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,02:29) Quote Hi Paladin, This does NOT sufficiently answer the question I asked?
David was long dead long before Jesus was born.Q. Who was Jesus' Father? …try again!
Nope! It is not a “trial and error” contest I am engaged in here.
No need for me to “try again” just to satisfy your doctrinal dogmatics.
How can God give Jesus the throne of his father David, if David is not his father?
Hi Paladin,You address Luke 20:41-44 and I will answer your question; deal?
Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd wrote:[/quote]
Quote 5) ONLY through Mary's linage! (Luke 3:23-31)
…Son of Man!“Only through Mary's lineage?”
You would test me on the generations in Jesus' lineage?I CHRON 3:10-16
10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son,
11 Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,
12 Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son,
13 Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son, Josiah his son.
15 And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum.
16 And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.MATHEW 1
01) 2 Abraham
02) begat Isaac;
03) begat Jacob;
04) begat Judas
05) begat Phares
06) begat Esrom;
07) begat Aram;
08) begat Aminadab;
09) begat Naasson;
10) begat Salmon;
11) begat Booz of Rachab;
12) begat Obed of Ruth;
13) begat Jesse;
14) begat David
15) begat Solomon Solomon
16) Roboam; Rehoboam
17) Abia; Abia
18) Asa;Asa
19) Josaphat; Jehoshaphat
20) Joram; Joram
———-Ahaziah
———-Joash
———-Amaziah
21) Ozias;Azariah
22) Joatham; Jotham
23) Achaz; Ahaz
24) Ezekias;Hezekiah
25) Manasses; Manasseh
26) Amon; Amon
27) Josias;Josiah
———Jehoiakim
28) Jechonias – away to Babylon:Jeconiah
29) Salathiel;
30) Zorobabel;
31) Abiud;
32) Eliakim;
33) Azor;
34) Sadoc;
35) Achim;
36) Eliud;
37) Eleazar;
38) Matthan;
39) Jacob;
40) Joseph the husband of Mary,
41) Jesus, who is called Christ.So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations;and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
LUKE 3 – ABRAHAM TO CHRIST – 56 GENERATIONS
01) Jesus
02) Joseph,
03) Heli,
04) Matthat,
05) Levi,
06) Melchi,
07) Janna,
08) Joseph,
09) Mattathias,
10) Amos,
11) Naum,
12) Esli,
13) Nagge,
14) Maath,
15) Mattathias,
16) Semei,
17) Joseph,
18) Juda,
19) Joanna,
20) Rhesa,
21) Zorobabel,
22) Salathiel,
23) Neri,
24) Melchi,
25) Addi,
26) Cosam,
27) Elmodam,
28) Er,
29) Jose,
30) Eliezer,
31) Jorim,
32) Matthat,
33) Levi,
34) Simeon,
35) Juda,
36) Joseph,
37) Jonan,
38) Eliakim,
39) Melea,
40) Menan,
41) Mattatha,
42) Nathan,
43) David,
44) Jesse,
45) Obed,
46) Booz,
47) Salmon,
48) Naasson,
49) Aminadab,
50) Aram,
51) Esrom,
52) Phares,
53) Juda,
54) Jacob,
55) Isaac,
56) Abraham,57) Thara,
58) Nachor,
59) Saruch,
60) Ragau,
61) Phalec,
62) Heber,
63) Sala,
64) Cainan,
65) Arphaxad,
66) Sem,
67) Noe,
68) Lamech,
69) Mathusala,
70) Enoch,
71) Jared,
72) Maleleel,
73) Cainan,
74) Enos,
75) Seth,
76) Adam,
77) God.Hebrew Bible …….. New Testament
I Chr. 3:10-16 Matthew 1:6-11
Solomon Solomon
Rehoboam Roboam
Abia Abia
Asa Asa
JehoshaphatJosaphat
Joram Joram
Ahazia —-
Joash —- ?
Amazia —-
Azaria Ozias
Jotham Joatham
Ahaz Achaz
Hezekia Ezekias
Manasseh Manasses
Amon Amon
Josia Josias
Jehoiakim —- ?
Jeconia JechoniasMAT 1:6-111
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: {Josiah…: some read, Josiah begat Jehoiakim, and Jehoiakim begat Jeconiah}I CHRON 3:10-16
10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son, {Abia: or, Abijam}
11 Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, {Ahaziah: or, Azariah}
12 Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son, {Azariah: or, Uzziah}
13 Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son, Josiah his son.
15 And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum. {Johanan: or, Jehoahaz} {Jehoiakim: or, Eliakim} {Zedekiah: or, Mattaniah}
16 And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son. {Jeconiah: also called, Jehoiachin or Coniah}Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 16 2011,09:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,02:48) Quote 5) ONLY through Mary's linage! (Luke 3:23-31)
…Son of Man!“Only through Mary's lineage?”
You would test me on the generations in Jesus' lineage?I CHRON 3:10-16
10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son,
11 Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,
12 Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son,
13 Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son, Josiah his son.
15 And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum.
16 And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.MATHEW 1
01) 2 Abraham
02) begat Isaac;
03) begat Jacob;
04) begat Judas
05) begat Phares
06) begat Esrom;
07) begat Aram;
08) begat Aminadab;
09) begat Naasson;
10) begat Salmon;
11) begat Booz of Rachab;
12) begat Obed of Ruth;
13) begat Jesse;
14) begat David
15) begat Solomon Solomon
16) Roboam; Rehoboam
17) Abia; Abia
18) Asa;Asa
19) Josaphat; Jehoshaphat
20) Joram; Joram
———-Ahaziah
———-Joash
———-Amaziah
21) Ozias;Azariah
22) Joatham; Jotham
23) Achaz; Ahaz
24) Ezekias;Hezekiah
25) Manasses; Manasseh
26) Amon; Amon
27) Josias;Josiah
———Jehoiakim
28) Jechonias – away to Babylon:Jeconiah
29) Salathiel;
30) Zorobabel;
31) Abiud;
32) Eliakim;
33) Azor;
34) Sadoc;
35) Achim;
36) Eliud;
37) Eleazar;
38) Matthan;
39) Jacob;
40) Joseph the husband of Mary,
41) Jesus, who is called Christ.So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations;and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
LUKE 3 – ABRAHAM TO CHRIST – 56 GENERATIONS
01) Jesus
02) Joseph,
03) Heli,
04) Matthat,
05) Levi,
06) Melchi,
07) Janna,
08) Joseph,
09) Mattathias,
10) Amos,
11) Naum,
12) Esli,
13) Nagge,
14) Maath,
15) Mattathias,
16) Semei,
17) Joseph,
18) Juda,
19) Joanna,
20) Rhesa,
21) Zorobabel,
22) Salathiel,
23) Neri,
24) Melchi,
25) Addi,
26) Cosam,
27) Elmodam,
28) Er,
29) Jose,
30) Eliezer,
31) Jorim,
32) Matthat,
33) Levi,
34) Simeon,
35) Juda,
36) Joseph,
37) Jonan,
38) Eliakim,
39) Melea,
40) Menan,
41) Mattatha,
42) Nathan,
43) David,
44) Jesse,
45) Obed,
46) Booz,
47) Salmon,
48) Naasson,
49) Aminadab,
50) Aram,
51) Esrom,
52) Phares,
53) Juda,
54) Jacob,
55) Isaac,
56) Abraham,57) Thara,
58) Nachor,
59) Saruch,
60) Ragau,
61) Phalec,
62) Heber,
63) Sala,
64) Cainan,
65) Arphaxad,
66) Sem,
67) Noe,
68) Lamech,
69) Mathusala,
70) Enoch,
71) Jared,
72) Maleleel,
73) Cainan,
74) Enos,
75) Seth,
76) Adam,
77) God.Hebrew Bible …….. New Testament
I Chr. 3:10-16 Matthew 1:6-11
Solomon Solomon
Rehoboam Roboam
Abia Abia
Asa Asa
JehoshaphatJosaphat
Joram Joram
Ahazia —-
Joash —- ?
Amazia —-
Azaria Ozias
Jotham Joatham
Ahaz Achaz
Hezekia Ezekias
Manasseh Manasses
Amon Amon
Josia Josias
Jehoiakim —- ?
Jeconia JechoniasMAT 1:6-111
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: {Josiah…: some read, Josiah begat Jehoiakim, and Jehoiakim begat Jeconiah}I CHRON 3:10-16
10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son, {Abia: or, Abijam}
11 Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, {Ahaziah: or, Azariah}
12 Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son, {Azariah: or, Uzziah}
13 Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son, Josiah his son.
15 And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum. {Johanan: or, Jehoahaz} {Jehoiakim: or, Eliakim} {Zedekiah: or, Mattaniah}
16 And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son. {Jeconiah: also called, Jehoiachin or Coniah}
Hi Paladin,This Post reminds me of the Posts that Terraricca(Pierre) makes!
You have NOT explained why you posted those Scriptures?Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2011,09:28) Quote Hi Paladin,
You address Luke 20:41-44 and I will answer your question; deal?Nope! I sill answwer your question, but since you do not understand what I am saying, it matters not whether you respond to my question or not.
Quote Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
Because David knew that God had promised him that of his loins one would come that would be his Lord, as resurrected Christ.
For David speaketh concerning him,
“I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.”29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2011,09:40) Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 16 2011,09:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2011,02:48) Quote 5) ONLY through Mary's linage! (Luke 3:23-31)
…Son of Man!“Only through Mary's lineage?”
You would test me on the generations in Jesus' lineage?I CHRON 3:10-16
10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son,
11 Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,
12 Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son,
13 Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son, Josiah his son.
15 And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum.
16 And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.MATHEW 1
01) 2 Abraham
02) begat Isaac;
03) begat Jacob;
04) begat Judas
05) begat Phares
06) begat Esrom;
07) begat Aram;
08) begat Aminadab;
09) begat Naasson;
10) begat Salmon;
11) begat Booz of Rachab;
12) begat Obed of Ruth;
13) begat Jesse;
14) begat David
15) begat Solomon Solomon
16) Roboam; Rehoboam
17) Abia; Abia
18) Asa;Asa
19) Josaphat; Jehoshaphat
20) Joram; Joram
———-Ahaziah
———-Joash
———-Amaziah
21) Ozias;Azariah
22) Joatham; Jotham
23) Achaz; Ahaz
24) Ezekias;Hezekiah
25) Manasses; Manasseh
26) Amon; Amon
27) Josias;Josiah
———Jehoiakim
28) Jechonias – away to Babylon:Jeconiah
29) Salathiel;
30) Zorobabel;
31) Abiud;
32) Eliakim;
33) Azor;
34) Sadoc;
35) Achim;
36) Eliud;
37) Eleazar;
38) Matthan;
39) Jacob;
40) Joseph the husband of Mary,
41) Jesus, who is called Christ.So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations;and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
LUKE 3 – ABRAHAM TO CHRIST – 56 GENERATIONS
01) Jesus
02) Joseph,
03) Heli,
04) Matthat,
05) Levi,
06) Melchi,
07) Janna,
08) Joseph,
09) Mattathias,
10) Amos,
11) Naum,
12) Esli,
13) Nagge,
14) Maath,
15) Mattathias,
16) Semei,
17) Joseph,
18) Juda,
19) Joanna,
20) Rhesa,
21) Zorobabel,
22) Salathiel,
23) Neri,
24) Melchi,
25) Addi,
26) Cosam,
27) Elmodam,
28) Er,
29) Jose,
30) Eliezer,
31) Jorim,
32) Matthat,
33) Levi,
34) Simeon,
35) Juda,
36) Joseph,
37) Jonan,
38) Eliakim,
39) Melea,
40) Menan,
41) Mattatha,
42) Nathan,
43) David,
44) Jesse,
45) Obed,
46) Booz,
47) Salmon,
48) Naasson,
49) Aminadab,
50) Aram,
51) Esrom,
52) Phares,
53) Juda,
54) Jacob,
55) Isaac,
56) Abraham,57) Thara,
58) Nachor,
59) Saruch,
60) Ragau,
61) Phalec,
62) Heber,
63) Sala,
64) Cainan,
65) Arphaxad,
66) Sem,
67) Noe,
68) Lamech,
69) Mathusala,
70) Enoch,
71) Jared,
72) Maleleel,
73) Cainan,
74) Enos,
75) Seth,
76) Adam,
77) God.Hebrew Bible …….. New Testament
I Chr. 3:10-16 Matthew 1:6-11
Solomon Solomon
Rehoboam Roboam
Abia Abia
Asa Asa
JehoshaphatJosaphat
Joram Joram
Ahazia —-
Joash —- ?
Amazia —-
Azaria Ozias
Jotham Joatham
Ahaz Achaz
Hezekia Ezekias
Manasseh Manasses
Amon Amon
Josia Josias
Jehoiakim —- ?
Jeconia JechoniasMAT 1:6-111
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: {Josiah…: some read, Josiah begat Jehoiakim, and Jehoiakim begat Jeconiah}I CHRON 3:10-16
10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son, {Abia: or, Abijam}
11 Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, {Ahaziah: or, Azariah}
12 Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son, {Azariah: or, Uzziah}
13 Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son, Josiah his son.
15 And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum. {Johanan: or, Jehoahaz} {Jehoiakim: or, Eliakim} {Zedekiah: or, Mattaniah}
16 And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son. {Jeconiah: also called, Jehoiachin or Coniah}
Hi Paladin,This Post reminds me of the Posts that Terraricca(Pierre) makes!
You have NOT explained why you posted those Scriptures?Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Hi Paladin,I can Post lot's of Scriptures too!
Please explain what is 'your purpose'?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd
What was the purpose of reposting all of Paladins post?
Your comment was posted right under his. T8 has been telling you guys to edit out of the post duplicate material. Do you even care that he has to maybe pay for the amount of bites he has to store on the servers?
WJ
Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 16 2011,09:41) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2011,09:28) Quote Hi Paladin,
You address Luke 20:41-44 and I will answer your question; deal?Nope! I sill answwer your question, but since you do not understand what I am saying, it matters not whether you respond to my question or not.
Quote Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
Because David knew that God had promised him that of his loins one would come that would be his Lord, as resurrected Christ.
For David speaketh concerning him,
“I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.”29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
Hi Paladin,The promise YHVH made to David was fulfilled
through Mary's father's lineage listed in Luke 3:23-33.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi WJ,
When someone Posts lots of Scripture without explaining why,
it has the effect that you are complaining about. If the problem
is NOT demonstrated, it is not understood! Do you see my point?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi WJ,
Please try to overlook this.
Sorry if this has disturbed you!
I do NOT do this as a regular basis!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2011,17:56) Hi WJ, Please try to overlook this.
Sorry if this has disturbed you!
I do NOT do this as a regular basis!
The point is your answer to his post was right under his.Personally it is anoying not just to me but others to have to scroll through pages of duplicate stuff that is unnecesary!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Timothy 3:9 But avoid foolish
questions, and genealogies, and contentions,
and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2011,15:36) [/quote] Paladin,Mar. wrote:Only if you get ahead of the story and don't begin at the beginning. “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” [Gen 1:27] Here, God tells us “man” is a “them” not just a “Him.”
Quote No, here we learn that the word “adam” is used to identify both the first man ever created and the SPECIES of MANKIND. Mankind is a THEM, while no single human being is a THEM. God created HIM, Adam, and God created THEM, mankind. Nope!
Read the scriptures.
You are reading what took place in the garden, not out in the world.
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” [Gen 1:27]
“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Male [Adam] and female [Eve] created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.” [Gen 5:1-2]“In the day when they were created.” Not later when mankind became a reality through replication.
Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 13 2011,19:44)
So, when God says sin entered by one man, Adam, he includes Adam and Eve. All the rest is simply badly studied doctrine. All that cockamamie stuff about “orignal sin” and “sin is inherited through the male, and all the rest of it, is pure baloney.Quote Okay, then WHO is the “one man” that sin entered the world through? It is easier for you to reread my earlier post than it is for me to redo it. And takes less space.
Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 13 2011,19:44)
It does not matter if it was poetry, similitude, simile, figure of speech, or overactive imagination, it makes the same point. “And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.” [Heb 7:9-10]Quote So, according to you, the not yet existing Levi literally paid tithes to Melchisedek. What exactly did Levi give 10% OF? Whatever Abraham tithed, Levi had a share in the giving, as did all of Abraham's descendants.
Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 13 2011,19:44)
The authors point is the same as mine, and that point is, if God spoke it, it is as real as if it already happened. God spoke of things not yet, as though they were [Rom 4:17]Quote So also according to you, Satan has already been tossed into the abyss? Or……….let me guess, you don't believe Satan is “real”? Let me ask you Mike, do you think Satan will not be tossed thereunto?
Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 13 2011,19:44)
I also do not think you realize that you cannot begin at the back of the book and correct teachings by going from back to front.If you begin at the front of the book, and learn how God is a a singular person singular being, there is no room for a trinity to be established. Until you understand that, you will remain forever linked to defending the trinity doctrine; based upon improper understanding of later events.
Quote I have already told you that I battle daily here against trinitarians. I am NOT one, and fight hard to scripturally undermine that comically flawed man-made doctrine. So instead of “schooling me” on how poorly I understand the scriptures and how I'm reading them from the wrong direction or whatever, how about you ONLY deal with the issues we're discussing, okay? Right now, I'm awaiting your answer to WHO this is:
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! 18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
We know who three mentions of “one man” refer to in this passage – Jesus Christ. Who do the other mentions of “one man” and all the mentions of “one sin” and “one trespass” refer to? (Hint: Adam is the “first Adam”, and Jesus is the “last Adam”. This might help you to figure out who the “one man” is through whom sin entered the world.)
mike
Mike, Please accept my apology, because when you say you have told me before that you are not a trinitarian, I recalled the fact. I have short term memory problems, and very often do not rmemeber all the statistical data about the posters. It is not intentional but it is a nuisance.
As to your question, it seems I am not the only one on the board with short term memopr
y problems, as I have only recently answered that question.“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”
Eve sinned first. She showed her husband her transgression, and offered him a share in her sin; which he accepted and partook, and through one man [Adam and Eve] sin entered the world.
“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.” [Gen 3:6]
The reason Adam and Eve are counted as “one man, Adam” is Eve was not created separately, but was taken from Adam's rib, so she is an extension of the creation of Adam.
Just as Eve was made from Adam's rib, so also Jesus was “made of a woman” and in like manner, he is one man without a mate, as the church is his bride; so the “:making” of Jesus of a woman, becomes a far different matter when the church is brought into the equation.
P.S. I do hope you do not feel put down or insulted when I say something to the effect “you don't understand,” as it is simply my way of aknowledging You missed my point on something. I intend no slight, hurt, or belittleing.
Hi Ed,
I have yet to read in the bible that an image has been broken. I did, however, read this:9:6 “Whoever sheds human blood, 16
by other humans 17
must his blood be shed;
for in God’s image 18
God 19 has made humankind.” (Gen 9:6)
As to the purpose of Jesus dying, I thought it would be best to get that answer from Jesus himself, due to the fact that Jesus would know his own purpose and mission given to him from God. Let's see…These are the verses that I found that relate directly to the purpose of Jesus dying.
Matthew 16:21 (King James Version)
21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 26:26-28 (King James Version)
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 8:31 (King James Version)
31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mark 10:32-34 (King James Version)
32And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him,
33Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
34And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Mark 14:22-25 (King James Version)
22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
23And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
24And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
25Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luke 18:31-33 (King James Version)
31Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luke 22:19-20 (King James Version)
19And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
John 10:14-18 (King James Version)
14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
John 12:23-36 (King James Version)
23And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
John 16:7 (King James Version)
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 17:1-5 (King James Version)
John 17
1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
So, to the best of my understanding Jesus's purpose in dying was:
1.) For the remission of sins as is stated in Matthew. (Matthew 26:28)
2.) To serve as a witness(?) to the new testament as stated in Mark and Luke. (Mark 14:24), (Luke 22:20)
3.) To show that Jesus been given the power from God to lay down his life and take it again. (John 10:18)
4.) To show that upon being lifted up he would draw all men to him. (John 12:32
5.) To send the Spirit of Truth/Holy Ghost/Comforter/Counselor. (John 16:7)
6.) To be able to give eternal life to all that God had given him with the power given to him from God.(John 17:2)Thank you Ed for asking that question. I personally find it rewarding and instructional to have to organize my thoughts and type them out in matters such as these. Just so you do not get the idea that I am self-righteous these to following verses fairly well describe how I think of myself in regards to Jesus's teachings.
Luke 18:13 (King James Version)
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.(This is me, I have no delusions that i am not a sinner)
Luke 17:10 (King James Version)
10So likewise ye, when
ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. (This is also me I am only trying to do my duty and serve God participating in these forums. I know for a fact I will not always be right according to scripture my hope and prayer is to be right with God.)
Thank you and God bless you and yours.To all and especially Paladin,
I came to this thread to learn from Paladin. I have no desire engage in any scriptural-based debate in this thread and will steadfastly refuse to do so from here on out. I hope I am making my mind and intentions perfectly clear on this point. Thank you and may God bless you and yours.Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 12 2011,06:13) Paladin said: Quote All christians are in form God, as God lives in us and influences the changes in our lives. 
Jesus said, “You have not seen His form” (John 5:37). If all christians are in God form, then we have seen His form and Jesus was confused when He said that we have not seen His form.
So you agree that God is invisible and no man can or has seen him?If so, then we all know that Jesus is definitely visible. He was visible to the disciples who beheld the glory of the son of God and scripture says that he is the visible image of the invisible God.
So surely the last laugh is on you because you ridicule Paladin and yet by doing so, you prove yourself to be wrong in the process.
Sometimes he catches the wise in their craftiness.
Hi Wispring,
Thanks for your input!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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