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Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,07:43) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2012,02:36) Quote (Stu @ April 18 2012,02:41) Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,09:39) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 17 2012,13:50) Quote (Stu @ April 17 2012,01:36) So the earth is a little younger than the sun, with the earth around 4.55 billion years old.
Stuart
Is that close to 6,000 years?Tim
the creation of the earth is one thing ,the creation of man is another ,man is here no longer than 6000 years
The last common ancestor of all humans, traced through the maternal line only, lived about 200,000 years ago. We know this because mitochondrial DNA is not recombined sexually, it accumulates mutations at a steady rate, on average 1 every 3500 years, so the time back to Mitochondrial Eve can be calculated from the numbers of differences in the mitochondrial DNA of people alive today.Completely independently, radioisotope dating of human fossil remains from the Omo River in Ethiopia give ages of 195,000 years old.
So the scale mistake involved in claiming humans only go back 6000 years is like saying that the distance between New York and Los Angeles is a matter of 50 miles or so.
Stuart
stuall you say is pure speculation,even today we well know witch animal as the closes DNA to humans and it does not make him a human ,some people may think so ,but this would be still speculation,
the only prove that would come out of those speculation is that all creation as been created from things coming out of the earth,and so being connected through that and those elements only.
Reality doesn't particularly care what you think about it.Stuart
stuit should read WE not YOU , we means all or any of us humans
Quote (Colter @ April 19 2012,01:26) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,00:46) Quote (Colter @ April 18 2012,22:40) The spirit born believer “knows” the presence of God, it is not a theory. Colter
No, if it was a theory there would be evidence to support it.There isn't, so what would you call it?
Speculation?
In your case it would appear to be bald assertion of a conspiracy of an Imaginary Tyrant running the universe.
Stuart
You don't have a relationship with God, you have a relationship with argumentative Stu, so you don't understand what spirit born believers are talking about.Colter
No, I think I do understand exactly.That's based on the fact that you have no unambiguous evidence for your god claims.
Your bluff is called.
Stuart
Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2012,04:16) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,07:44) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2012,02:40) Quote (Stu @ April 18 2012,02:03) Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,12:39) all you know ,I have watched many documentaries about the earth ,animals ,mammals ,insects ,birds,fish and the invisible ones ,and the solar systems our 's and the others ,
it start to make me thinking,if the universe is so big and that there are billions of solar systems out there ,this would mean that there would be a slimmer than slim chance that there would be live on our planet ,but wen I have seen all the kinds of fish there are and other shell kind by the thousandths and so are the birds,and the ground animals by thousandths this also make it slimmer than slim that it all pop up and so beautifully came to be harmoniously coordinated that all those animals do and eat what they have been train to eat for their kind,
but wen it came to see the invisible to the eye, this was amazing ,bacteria,viruses, plankton,and hundreds more names I can't remember but all needed to sustain live on the planet , this again would make it slimmer than slim the chance that it all ad come by pure chance,
So what would you estimate to be the probability of life on Earth today?Stuart
stulive for men on earth will never end,
now what kind of men would it be ;this is another question.
Hopefully not me.Stuart
stuso we both have our wish ,me for life,and you to die
You wish for something that is promised to you by people who cannot possibly know anything about it. Placing the condition of death on any reward is the promise of a charlatan.I wish to live, then die. That is almost certainly what happens anyway. The living part is astonishing enough for me, and the death part gives that life meaning.
Stuart
Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2012,04:18) Quote Reality doesn't particularly care what you think about it. Stuart
stuit should read WE not YOU , we means all or any of us humans
That's quite true, but I've already acknowledged that for myself.But if we go back to what you claimed:
Quote all you say is pure speculation,even today we well know witch animal as the closes DNA to humans and it does not make him a human ,some people may think so ,but this would be still speculation the only prove that would come out of those speculation is that all creation as been created from things coming out of the earth,and so being connected through that and those elements only.
You call this speculation…actually I don't know what part you are calling speculation, you seem to be under some misconception that I think chimpanzees are humans…but there is no evidence whatever that life is created. Common ancestry is a fact as good as any, and it is evidence against the claims christians make for their god.
Stuart
Quote (Colter @ April 19 2012,01:26) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,00:46) Quote (Colter @ April 18 2012,22:40) The spirit born believer “knows” the presence of God, it is not a theory. Colter
No, if it was a theory there would be evidence to support it.There isn't, so what would you call it?
Speculation?
In your case it would appear to be bald assertion of a conspiracy of an Imaginary Tyrant running the universe.
Stuart
You don't have a relationship with God, you have a relationship with argumentative Stu, so you don't understand what spirit born believers are talking about.Colter
If I may so interject………first let us establish what God you serve is your God male or female? Do you have just one God or many God's combined to make one?Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,03:42) Which would all be fine except that you don't appear to have consulted a dictionary on this subject either.
Stu you are an Atheist because you BELIEVE that there is no God. The bible calls Atheists by the title “Fool”.“A theist and an atheist both believe. One believes that there is a God and the other believes that there is no God. An Agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a God.
- Theist
- Atheist
- Agnostic
Here is how scripture basically says it.
- Believer
- Fool
- No belief either way due to a lack of care or lack of understanding
Ask anyone Stu either question.
What do you call a person who doesn't believe in God or a creator?
What do you call a person who believes in no God or creator?Atheist will be the answer.
The best thing you can do to save face is to argue from an Atheist perspective. If you deny what you are, then you are ashamed of what you are.
princess, did you give me an answer as to your belief?
Someone
Something
NothingAnd a reason for why would be good.
Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:11) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,03:42) Which would all be fine except that you don't appear to have consulted a dictionary on this subject either.
Stu you are an Atheist because you BELIEVE that there is no God. The bible calls Atheists by the title “Fool”.“A theist and an atheist both believe. One believes that there is a God and the other believes that there is no God. An Agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a God.
- Theist
- Atheist
- Agnostic
Here is how scripture basically says it.
- Believer
- Fool
- No belief either way due to a lack of care or lack of understanding
I see you still have not read a dictionary definition of agnostic.Interesting christian site this, where the non-believing posters have higher standards than the mods and owners.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:15) The best thing you can do to save face is to argue from an Atheist perspective. If you deny what you are, then you are ashamed of what you are.
I think of myself as “normal human”. The word atheist defines me in terms of your god delusion. But, I don't believe gods exist, so as you say that does make me an atheist.Not sure what face-saving exercise that would necessitate.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:17) And a reason for why would be good.
And how would you respond to that request yourself? Another false analogy?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:17) princess, did you give me an answer as to your belief? Someone
Something
NothingAnd a reason for why would be good.
Oh we are on speaking terms again… and you not even knowing my emotional state, how daring of you T8.
Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:11) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,03:42) Which would all be fine except that you don't appear to have consulted a dictionary on this subject either.
Stu you are an Atheist because you BELIEVE that there is no God. The bible calls Atheists by the title “Fool”.“A theist and an atheist both believe. One believes that there is a God and the other believes that there is no God. An Agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a God.
- Theist
- Atheist
- Agnostic
Here is how scripture basically says it.
- Believer
- Fool
- No belief either way due to a lack of care or lack of understanding
Stuart,The 'fool' comment is getting boring to say the least, this passage is comes from the Hebrew text Psalm 14:1, now taking into context of the use of the Hebrew text it also reads that dietary violations (Deuteronomy 14:3) are an abominations. So when one continues to use such text, then if this person has ate or eaten any shell fish or pork, they themselves are an abomination to the same God, however they will argue that this passage does not apply to them due to Jesus said it is not what goes into a man mouth that can defile it is what comes out, then they will add Kepha's vision which has absolutely nothing to do with it.
So if Jesus can strike out the dietary law with a phrase I am sure there is a phrase that would strike out the fool one. Let's use this one, seems appropriate
Jesus said, “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matt. 5:22)Basically Stuart, this is what scripture says.
Quote I see you still have not read a dictionary definition of agnostic. It had to be said again. Thank you Stuart for pointing that out.
Quote (princess @ April 20 2012,12:14) Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:11) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,03:42) Which would all be fine except that you don't appear to have consulted a dictionary on this subject either.
Stu you are an Atheist because you BELIEVE that there is no God. The bible calls Atheists by the title “Fool”.“A theist and an atheist both believe. One believes that there is a God and the other believes that there is no God. An Agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a God.
- Theist
- Atheist
- Agnostic
Here is how scripture basically says it.
- Believer
- Fool
- No belief either way due to a lack of care or lack of understanding
Stuart,The 'fool' comment is getting boring to say the least, this passage is comes from the Hebrew text Psalm 14:1, now taking into context of the use of the Hebrew text it also reads that dietary violations (Deuteronomy 14:3) are an abominations. So when one continues to use such text, then if this person has ate or eaten any shell fish or pork, they themselves are an abomination to the same God, however they will argue that this passage does not apply to them due to Jesus said it is not what goes into a man mouth that can defile it is what comes out, then they will add Kepha's vision which has absolutely nothing to do with it.
So if Jesus can strike out the dietary law with a phrase I am sure there is a phrase that would strike out the fool one. Let's use this one, seems appropriate
Jesus said, “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matt. 5:22)Basically Stuart, this is what scripture says.
Yes indeed. There is one caveat regarding this, apparently some christians believe that the warning attributed to Jesus only applies to christians calling other christians fools. So according to them the Judeo-christian god, and Jesus, and presumably their Immaterial Friend all think it's fine for christians to call non-believers 'fool'.But name-calling would appear to be their best argument against skepticism!
Alongside Matthew 5:22 there is a bit of one of Saul of Tarsus's letters to the Philippians that I think throws the Jewish bible into the furnace:
Phil. 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
There is little that is true, honest, just, lovely virtuous or of good report in those old laws. Deuteronomy and Leviticus are pure, of course. Pure what, is up to your imagination!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,16:21) Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:15) The best thing you can do to save face is to argue from an Atheist perspective. If you deny what you are, then you are ashamed of what you are.
I think of myself as “normal human”. The word atheist defines me in terms of your god delusion. But, I don't believe gods exist, so as you say that does make me an atheist.Not sure what face-saving exercise that would necessitate.
Stuart
The Pigs wouldn't repent stu…One time, Jesus was asked to leave town– for killing all the pigs!
Matthew 8:28-34 (New International Version)
When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”An A donkey was accussed of Mocking A Man an it was really swearing an saying God was Mocking him…
Num 22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
Num 22:30 And the a** said unto Balaam, [Am] not I thine a**, upon which thou hast ridden ever since thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.Quote (charity @ April 20 2012,23:24) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,16:21) Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:15) The best thing you can do to save face is to argue from an Atheist perspective. If you deny what you are, then you are ashamed of what you are.
I think of myself as “normal human”. The word atheist defines me in terms of your god delusion. But, I don't believe gods exist, so as you say that does make me an atheist.Not sure what face-saving exercise that would necessitate.
Stuart
The Pigs wouldn't repent stu…One time, Jesus was asked to leave town– for killing all the pigs!
Matthew 8:28-34 (New International Version)
When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”An A donkey was accussed of Mocking A Man an it was really swearing an saying God was Mocking him…
Num 22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
Num 22:30 And the a** said unto Balaam, [Am] not I thine a**, upon which thou hast ridden ever since thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
Excellent.Must just add a reference for the talking serpent, for those who like the complete set of biblical non-human animals that talk:
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die
And of course the Judeo-christian god talks to the serpent as well.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 21 2012,01:55) And he said, Nay.
I forgot to ask whether you think Balaam could speak donkey. If horses say “Neigh” then perhaps “Nay” is donkey dialect.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 21 2012,01:55) Quote (charity @ April 20 2012,23:24) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2012,16:21) Quote (t8 @ April 19 2012,15:15) The best thing you can do to save face is to argue from an Atheist perspective. If you deny what you are, then you are ashamed of what you are.
I think of myself as “normal human”. The word atheist defines me in terms of your god delusion. But, I don't believe gods exist, so as you say that does make me an atheist.Not sure what face-saving exercise that would necessitate.
Stuart
The Pigs wouldn't repent stu…One time, Jesus was asked to leave town– for killing all the pigs!
Matthew 8:28-34 (New International Version)
When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”An A donkey was accussed of Mocking A Man an it was really swearing an saying God was Mocking him…
Num 22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
Num 22:30 And the a** said unto Balaam, [Am] not I thine a**, upon which thou hast ridden ever since thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
Excellent.Must just add a reference for the talking serpent, for those who like the complete set of biblical non-human animals that talk:
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die
And of course the Judeo-christian god talks to the serpent as well.
Stuart
yummm…besides….beats me why God wouldn't just tell Baalam himself an spear the donkey a nasty beating….In all sincerity..would any christian here swear that it is the truth…that God caused a donkey to talk?
charity
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