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Quote (Stu @ April 06 2012,22:28) Kent Hovind is not currently available to explain himself in regards to anything he says or does, as he is in jail in Colorado, for lying about his taxes. I don't think its “evolution” that's stupid.
Stuart
Excuses excuses.Anything but the answer aye!
Quote (TimothyVI @ April 07 2012,05:02) Kent is in jail for not paying about half a million dollars
in taxes. He said he didn't have to pay because everything
he owns belongs to God.Now all his clothes belong to Pensacola state prison.
Tim
How about debating the points.When a person has no answer that is when it comes to putting people down.
Try and remove the personal stuff and debate the points.
If Adolph Hitler said that Earth revolved around the sun, does that mean that we can argue that it doesn't because Adolph Hitler is evil?
Try to stick to the points. If you don't know the answer, say so. No one will laugh. It is about searching for truth.
Are any of you Atheists going to give us an answer to our questions, or is it going to be more about dodging the questions with whatever excuse presents itself?
One word I would like you to think about.
Honesty.
And who are you really kidding when you dodge difficult questions that present problems for your theories?
The answer is yourself.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 11 2012,08:32) Ed, Do you agree that the universe is likely about 13.75 billion years old?
Hi WIT,That estimate is based on the belief that time is constant,
along with assumptions that their testing is reliable.
We can't say for sure how long ago it was.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,16:44) Quote (Stu @ April 07 2012,15:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,08:14) Nothing can travel faster than light is in question.
All science is always in question, but this fact about the speed of light is not under any particularly greater threat now than it has been in the past.Stuart
Hi Stuart, (Link)When we were looking for interesting educational material on the hard to believe properties of water
(Did you know that bacteria in water react to solar flares as they happen – which is 8 minutes BEFORE
we can actually see the flares – since light takes 8 minutes to reach Earth from the Sun?),
we came across a fascinating video featuring David Sereda.It is called “Amazing Water” and it expands on many of the concepts introduced by Dr. Emoto.
Isaiah 55:7-11 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD,
and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth,
and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but
it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Stuart, WIT, and even Princess,Any comments on this Post?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ April 11 2012,10:13) Quote (Stu @ April 06 2012,22:28) Kent Hovind is not currently available to explain himself in regards to anything he says or does, as he is in jail in Colorado, for lying about his taxes. I don't think its “evolution” that's stupid.
Stuart
Excuses excuses.Anything but the answer aye!
Answer to what?Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,11:37) We can't say for sure how long ago it was.
So the universe could just as easily be 20 billion years old, you think?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 11 2012,11:42) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,11:37) We can't say for sure how long ago it was.
So the universe could just as easily be 20 billion years old, you think?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't know?
Some say 6,000 years.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,16:44) Quote (Stu @ April 07 2012,15:02) Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,08:14) Nothing can travel faster than light is in question.
All science is always in question, but this fact about the speed of light is not under any particularly greater threat now than it has been in the past.Stuart
Hi Stuart, (Link)When we were looking for interesting educational material on the hard to believe properties of water
(Did you know that bacteria in water react to solar flares as they happen – which is 8 minutes BEFORE
we can actually see the flares – since light takes 8 minutes to reach Earth from the Sun?),
we came across a fascinating video featuring David Sereda.It is called “Amazing Water” and it expands on many of the concepts introduced by Dr. Emoto.
Isaiah 55:7-11 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD,
and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth,
and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but
it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Stuart,Any thoughts on why these bacteria react to sun flares instantly?
That would be faster than light communication, would it not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,14:37) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 11 2012,08:32) Ed, Do you agree that the universe is likely about 13.75 billion years old?
Hi WIT,That estimate is based on the belief that time is constant,
along with assumptions that their testing is reliable.
We can't say for sure how long ago it was.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Actually if we can look back toward a universe that is 13.75 billion years old and that universe is expanding at an increasing speed, then that does open the possibility that there are outer parts of the universe expanding away from us faster than light and thus they have fallen off our radar leading to the possibility of a much older universe. In other words, if light is the fastest medium that transmits information to us, then what of anything that travels faster and heading away from us.Then there is the idea that our universe is but one verse in a multiverse. God is great and human arrogance says things like the universe is this big, the simple cell, the world will need a total of 6 computers.
Those who claim to be wise are shown up as fools in the light of new data on a regular basis. Thus if we put our trust in such things, then we are putting our faith in fallibility.
I would not bet my mother on the universe being that old or young.
The estimates of the age of the universe has been adjusted too many times to say that it is actually 13.75 billion years old.The only thing we know for sure is that what we see as a universe is but an image compiled in our brain. Thus it looks real, but it is an image or projection of the spectrum that beams into our vision. That image feels very real to us because it is how we perceive our surroundings. What is the chance that the universe looks exactly like what our brains interprets it as? Remember that we have access to a limited amount of a vast spectrum for a start.
Quote (t8 @ April 11 2012,22:00) The estimates of the age of the universe has been adjusted too many times to say that it is actually 13.75 billion years old.
More t8 logic. Because estimates in the past have been poor, current estimates cannot be reliable.This completely ignores the reliability of the evidence on which the current estimate is based. You claim to love science, and to know something about it, but you don't really. You don't know how the current age estimate was determined, and you don't know how long the answer has been “about 13 to 14 billion years old”.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,21:46) Quote (Stu @ April 11 2012,11:42) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,11:37) We can't say for sure how long ago it was.
So the universe could just as easily be 20 billion years old, you think?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Don't know?
Some say 6,000 years.
They're morons.Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,16:44) Hi Stuart, (Link) When we were looking for interesting educational material on the hard to believe properties of water
which is 8 minutes BEFORE
(Did you know that bacteria in water react to solar flares as they happen –
we can actually see the flares – since light takes 8 minutes to reach Earth from the Sun?),
we came across a fascinating video featuring David Sereda.It is called “Amazing Water” and it expands on many of the concepts introduced by Dr. Emoto.
Hi Stuart,Any thoughts on why these bacteria react to sun flares instantly?
That would be faster than the speed of light communication, would it not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ April 11 2012,10:16) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 07 2012,05:02) Kent is in jail for not paying about half a million dollars
in taxes. He said he didn't have to pay because everything
he owns belongs to God.Now all his clothes belong to Pensacola state prison.
Tim
How about debating the points.When a person has no answer that is when it comes to putting people down.
Try and remove the personal stuff and debate the points.
If Adolph Hitler said that Earth revolved around the sun, does that mean that we can argue that it doesn't because Adolph Hitler is evil?
Try to stick to the points. If you don't know the answer, say so. No one will laugh. It is about searching for truth.
Hi T8,I am not sure that he gave any points worth debating.
I tolerate ignorance because it merely means that a person does not know something,
There are thousands of things about which I am totally ignorant.However when a person is so stupid as to say that he does not have to pay taxes because everything he owns belongs to God, then he is not only stupid, he is a liar and a thief. For those reasons I don't believe anything else he has to say.
How am I to discern what is a lie and what is truth.I am sure he uses the roads that are built and maintained using our taxes , without contributing anything himself. If his house caught on fire he would call the fire department that our taxes pay for. If his house was broken into he would call the police, paid for by everybody else's taxes, not God.
So he is not only a liar, he is a thief.Hovind claims to possess a masters degree and a doctorate in education, but it is from Patriot University in Colorado. A non accredited mail order university. Well it is actually accredited by an unrecognized accreditation corporation.
And if someone is stupid enough to believe that he owes no taxes because all of his money belongs to God, then I will question his ability to call things of science stupid.
Quote If Adolph Hitler said that Earth revolved around the sun, does that mean that we can argue that it doesn't because Adolph Hitler is evil? No, and if he said that the sun revolved around the earth we would not argue against it because Adolph Hitler is evil either. We would argue against it because it is not true.
The video was kind of amusing though, in a stand up comic sort of way.
Tim
Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,06:37) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 11 2012,08:32) Ed, Do you agree that the universe is likely about 13.75 billion years old?
Hi WIT,That estimate is based on the belief that time is constant,
along with assumptions that their testing is reliable.
We can't say for sure how long ago it was.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So, you are saying that the estimate for the age of the universe, which is supported by General Relativity (which you agreed is accurate enough to produce highly advanced technology), as well as by observational evidence, is not much better than any other guess?If that's the case, how do you expect anyone to show you sufficient evidence for the questions you posed earlier? If you can't accept well-established science, we can't even begin to have a discussion about scientific claims.
Let me put this differently. If I showed you verifiable evidence that the bible got something wrong, would you question the bible or the evidence?
Quote (t8 @ April 11 2012,17:00) Actually if we can look back toward a universe that is 13.75 billion years old and that universe is expanding at an increasing speed, then that does open the possibility that there are outer parts of the universe expanding away from us faster than light and thus they have fallen off our radar leading to the possibility of a much older universe. In other words, if light is the fastest medium that transmits information to us, then what of anything that travels faster and heading away from us.
That has nothing to do with how the age of the universe is estimated.To paraphrase an old saying:
“It is no great shame to be ignorant of science – after all, there are a great many technical details with which we do not all have the time to get acquainted – but to loudly voice one's opinion about science while remaining in this state of ignorance is the epitome of foolishness.“
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 12 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2012,06:37) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 11 2012,08:32) Ed, Do you agree that the universe is likely about 13.75 billion years old?
Hi WIT,That estimate is based on the belief that time is constant,
along with assumptions that their testing is reliable.
We can't say for sure how long ago it was.God bless
Ed J
(1)So, you are saying that the estimate for the age of the universe, which is supported by General Relativity (which you agreed is accurate enough to produce highly advanced technology), as well as by observational evidence, is not much better than any other guess?(2)If that's the case, how do you expect anyone to show you sufficient evidence for the questions you posed earlier? If you can't accept well-established science, we can't even begin to have a discussion about scientific claims.
(3)Let me put this differently. If I showed you verifiable evidence that the bible got something wrong, would you question the bible or the evidence?
Hi WIT,1) It's same as those who say 6,000 years instead;
which is: an estimate based on assumptions.2) You reject the well established “Science of Gematria”,
where our study should begin; as I offer “Proof of God”!3) You haven't been able to do that yet!
But you are welcome to keep trying.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WhatIsTrue @ April 12 2012,09:40) Quote (t8 @ April 11 2012,17:00) Actually if we can look back toward a universe that is 13.75 billion years old and that universe is expanding at an increasing speed, then that does open the possibility that there are outer parts of the universe expanding away from us faster than light and thus they have fallen off our radar leading to the possibility of a much older universe. In other words, if light is the fastest medium that transmits information to us, then what of anything that travels faster and heading away from us.
That has nothing to do with how the age of the universe is estimated.To paraphrase an old saying:
“It is no great shame to be ignorant of science – after all, there are a great many technical details with which we do not all have the time to get acquainted – but to loudly voice one's opinion about science while remaining in this state of ignorance is the epitome of foolishness.“
Hi WIT,It is a well established Scientific FACT that you can only look at the present, and
make assumptions about the past as well as make estimations of future events.The difference between you and me is:
I'm willing to look at ALL your evidence,
while you are unwilling to look at mine!Get real!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,11:58) 1) It's same as those who say 6,000 years instead;
which is: an estimate based on assumptions.
These are the morons who take the nuclear option of assuming that none of the evidence is reliable. They should give back their modern medicines and their cars, and pray and walk instead.The scale of these YEC idiots' error is the same as claiming that the distance from New York to Los Angeles is a little under two metres.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 12 2012,12:15) Quote (Ed J @ April 12 2012,11:58) 1) It's same as those who say 6,000 years instead;
which is: an estimate based on assumptions.
These are the morons who take the nuclear option of assuming that none of the evidence is reliable. They should give back their modern medicines and their cars, and pray and walk instead.The scale of these YEC idiots' error is the same as claiming that the distance from New York to Los Angeles is a little under two metres.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I'm not saying one is right and the other wrong.
My point is: they are both making estimations based on assumptions.
You are the one assuming which one is right and which one wrong. Not I, for I don't know?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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