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[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,12:20)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,06:35) You say… “YHVH is GOD=117. He is also LORD [of] Lords=117 and KING [of] Kings=101”. I agree, look who has that name… And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS”. Rev 19:16 It seems that you need to get your facts straight! WJ Hi WJ, The word(HolySpirit, Jesus' father) is who those “Titles” belong to. Why do you want to give them to HolySpirit's Son? Those “Titles” belong to God(HolySpirit)! How can Jesus be a separate person and at the same time not be a separate person? Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath (Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus) (Matt.1:18 / Luke 1;35), who is consecrated for evermore. Why do you promote false doctrines of the systems of religion and doctrines of men. (Col 2:22) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word (HolySpirit) of the oath (Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus) (Matt.1:18 / Luke 1;35), who is consecrated for evermore.

Read Hebrew 7:28 with Hebrew 7:27

For:

The reason for the difference stated in Hebrew 7:27, between His one sacrifice and their often repeated sacrifices, namely, because of His entire freedom from the sinful infirmity to which they are subject.

He needed not, as they, to offer FOR HIS OWN SIN; and being now exempt from death and “perfected for evermore,” He needs not to REPEAT His sacrifice.

the word:

“the word” confirmed by “the oath.”

which:

which oath was after the law, namely, in Psalm 110:4, abrogating the preceding law, priesthood.

the Son:

contrasted with “men.”

consecrated:

Greek, “made perfect” once for all, as in Hebrew 2:10; 5:9.

Opposed to “having infirmity.”

Consecrated as a perfected priest by His perfected sacrifice, and consequent anointing and exaltation to the right hand of the Father.

For the law appoints as high priests men who have weaknesses: Under the Law of Moses, the priests were always men with weaknesses.

But Yeshua HaMashiach a Son who has been perfected forever. If he was G-d he would already be perfect.

Because He is a perfect High Priest, He was able to offer up Himself as a perfect sacrifice for our sin.

Yeshua HaMashiach is perfectly qualified to be our perfect High Priest, perfected forever!

The purpose of the priesthood was that of intercession. He became our high Priest to intercede, if he were G-d equal in all aspects of the Father we would not need an intercessor.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:54)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:46) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,06:58) ED This is why your message is so confusing. You put off like the numbers mean something and now you say… “You cannot learn “anything” from numbers; numbers DON'T teach!” WJ Hi WJ, If your social security number was written down, would anybody know it was yours? No, somebody would have to say it wouldn't they? Ed J Not necessarily! They could read it! Since we have the Holy Spirit he could reveal it! WJ Hi WJ, How could they read your social security and then know it was you? Ed J

You are making an analogy about the scriptures correct?

I am telling you the Holy Spirit can reveal it.

Is that wrong or right?

WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39)

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:27) Keith, ED J's views are so convoluted and confusing that I don't even like to bother with him. Nothing he says makes any sense. thinker Hi TT, Are you afraid of something? 1Cor.2:14 But the natural man(thinking man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Ed J

         

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[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 19 2009,15:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:27) Keith, ED J's views are so convoluted and confusing that I don't even like to bother with him. Nothing he says makes any sense. thinker Hi TT, Are you afraid of something? 1Cor.2:14 But the natural man(thinking man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Ed J           thinker

Jack

I think he is insinuating that you are a natural man!

WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:52)

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:41) “He became THE AUTHOR of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him (Heb. 5:9). You better obey that “golden calf.” He is your Savior. thinker Hi TT, What? Ed J

What part of the statement that Christ is the “AUTHOR” of eternal salvation do you not understand?

thinker

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:23) Why do you deny the scriptures? WJ Hi WJ, Why do you now make false accusations? No believer denies the scriptures? Ed J ED You did! In response to the scriptures I gave you of Jesus being “Lord of Lords and King of Kings, you said… “The word(HolySpirit, Jesus' father) is who those “Titles” belong to. Why do you want to give them to HolySpirit's Son? Those “Titles” belong to God(HolySpirit)! Rev says that the titles “King of Kings and Lord of Lords' belongs to Jesus. But you also said… “Those titles apply to God the Father rather than Jesus; get your facts straight. God the Father=117 is both LORD [of] Lords=117 and KING [of] Kings=101; And he is 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm !“ Please explain! WJ Hi WJ, The HolySpirit and God The Father are the same person! Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHVH) our God is one LORD: Ed J Ed Why do you not address the point! Who is called “Lord of Lords and King of Kings”? You said the titles are reserved for God. I said I agree. Then I show you where Jesus who is God has the titles and now you are dodging the point and calling the Father the Holy Spirit (Which is untrue and another subject). Can you answer a question with a straight answer? You have been asked if your are a Trinitarian and you refused to answer? What gives? WJ

Hi WJ,

I already told you, if I tell you again will you then believe?
Page 77 post 3.

The word is the HolySpirit.

And I already told you the free e-book called “HolyCityBibleCode”
bridges the gap between Trinitarian and nonTrinitarian views of God!

Perhaps this is a bridge that you are unwilling to cross?

Ed J

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,08:00)

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 19 2009,15:58) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,07:27) Keith, ED J's views are so convoluted and confusing that I don't even like to bother with him. Nothing he says makes any sense. thinker Hi TT, Are you afraid of something? 1Cor.2:14 But the natural man(thinking man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Ed J           thinker Jack I think he is insinuating that you are a natural man! WJ

I know Keith. The confused emoticons represent my feelings about his views in general.

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,16:02)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:53) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:39) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,15:34) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:23) Why do you deny the scriptures? WJ Hi WJ, Why do you now make false accusations? No believer denies the scriptures? Ed J ED You did! In response to the scriptures I gave you of Jesus being “Lord of Lords and King of Kings, you said… “The word(HolySpirit, Jesus' father) is who those “Titles” belong to. Why do you want to give them to HolySpirit's Son? Those “Titles” belong to God(HolySpirit)! Rev says that the titles “King of Kings and Lord of Lords' belongs to Jesus. But you also said… “Those titles apply to God the Father rather than Jesus; get your facts straight. God the Father=117 is both LORD [of] Lords=117 and KING [of] Kings=101; And he is 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm !“ Please explain! WJ Hi WJ, The HolySpirit and God The Father are the same person! Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHVH) our God is one LORD: Ed J Ed Why do you not address the point! Who is called “Lord of Lords and King of Kings”? You said the titles are reserved for God. I said I agree. Then I show you where Jesus who is God has the titles and now you are dodging the point and calling the Father the Holy Spirit (Which is untrue and another subject). Can you answer a question with a straight answer? You have been asked if your are a Trinitarian and you refused to answer? What gives? WJ Hi WJ, I already told you, if I tell you again will you then believe? Page 77 post 3. The word is the HolySpirit. And I already told you the free e-book called “HolyCityBibleCode” bridges the gap between Trinitarian and nonTrinitarian views of God! Perhaps this is a bridge that you are unwilling to cross? Ed J

ED

I see. Some kind of Mystery that we can find in your book?

No straight answers, just read the book! No thanks!

I have a book to read, and you have denied some of those scriptures.

There is no bridge to cross for I know in whom I have believed for 35 years and could never believe in the Jesus that the Arians and Unitarians believe in.

So yea that is a bridge I will not cross. For I refuse to reduce Jesus the “King of Kings and Lord of Lords” to a mere man!

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:56)

You are making an analogy about the scriptures correct? I am telling you the Holy Spirit can reveal it. Is that wrong or right? WJ

Hi WJ,

The HolySpirit can reveal what?
What is it?

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 20 2009,08:01)

What about the statement that Christ is the “AUTHOR” of eternal salvation do you not understand? thinker

Hi TT,

Yes

Ed J

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,12:20)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,06:35) You say… “YHVH is GOD=117. He is also LORD [of] Lords=117 and KING [of] Kings=101”. I agree, look who has that name… And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS”. Rev 19:16 It seems that you need to get your facts straight! WJ Hi WJ, The word(HolySpirit, Jesus' father) is who those “Titles” belong to. Why do you want to give them to HolySpirit's Son? Those “Titles” belong to God(HolySpirit)! How can Jesus be a separate person and at the same time not be a separate person? Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word(HolySpirit) of the oath (Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus) (Matt.1:18 / Luke 1;35), who is consecrated for evermore. Why do you promote false doctrines of the systems of religion and doctrines of men. (Col 2:22) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word (HolySpirit) of the oath (Isaiah 7:14), which was since the law, maketh the Son(Jesus) (Matt.1:18 / Luke 1;35), who is consecrated for evermore.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

'el: Either he is “Yahweh himself” or he is one who is “god-like” since 'el has more than one meaning. It could even imply the root 'ayil meaning sacrificial Lamb/Ram.

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,08:08)

There is no bridge to cross for I know in whom I have believed for 35 years and could never believe in the Jesus that the Arians and Unitarians believe in. So yea that is a bridge I will not cross. WJ

Hi WJ,

Are you still unwilling to cross the bridge?!
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable(unchangeable) things, in which it was impossible for God to lie!,
we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
2Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he(YHVH) cannot deny himself!

The non-Trinitarians view God this way….

YHVH is One GOD=151….GOD! (Deut.6:4)

LORD of Hosts=151……..including Jesus and the rest of us!
The AKJV Bible uses this phrase continually!

And the Trinitarians view GOD this way…

The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)
Jesus Christ=151
HolySpirit=151

Can you not see that they are both correct using this representation?
And here is the proof of what I say.
And yes TT, I can reveal “GOD The Father” TOO(to whoever I want!) just like Jesus did! (2Timothy 2:13)

The Hebrew word [אלהים] ĔL-ō-Hêêm (in Genesis 1:1 for God) carries the meanings of both “God in the plural”, and also “The Mighty God”.
This can be better illustrated using both the English AKJV Bible’s rendering of JEHOVAH and the Greek’s word for “GOD”.

There are five words for “God” the Greek (all are pronounced Thēôs); they are…
Four (4) of these are plural forms of the word; only one (1) is used in singular form.

1) θεος
2) θεου
3) θεω
4) θεον

5) θεε

The AKJV Bible has uses the name JEHOVAH four (4) times and JAH (1) once!
JEHOVAH is also used in three (3) phrases (illustrating a trinity)

1) JEHOVAH (Exodus 6:3)………..(Exodus 17:15)
2) JEHOVAH (Psalm 83:18)………(Gen.22:14)
3) JEHOVAH (Isaiah 12:2)………..(Judges 6:24)
4) JEHOVAH (Isaiah 26:4)

5) JAH (Psalm 68:4)

“HolyCityBibleCode” documents how “The God Numbers”=151 integrate with the AKJV Bible.

1) (117)    GOD The Father=117……………….….……………The LORD JEHOVAH=151
2)  (74)     Jesus=74………………………………………………..Jesus Christ=151
3) (151)    Holy Spirit=151………………………………………….HolySpirit=151
4)  (63)     YHVH=63 (GOD: The Eternal Existing One)….LORD of Hosts=151

5)  (26) GOD=26 (יהוה =26) Spoken as “YÄ”=26………….. YHVH GOD is ONE=151

LOOK AT THE UNITY!

God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how
the Gematria value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
bears a resemblance to the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.

6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize
that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number  shows “Unity” in Spirit ([The God Numbers=151] 26,63,74,117,151).

The LORD JEHOVAH=151
Jesus Christ=151
Holy Spirit=151
YHVH GOD is One=151

LORD of Hosts=151            is uses repeatedly The AKJV Bible

English=74 Gematria=74 illustrates this “Unity” in “Spirit” perfectly.
Now if you still refuse to believe, that is up to you. (1Cor.2:14)

God bless
Ed J (AKJV 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,08:08)

Can you not see that they are both correct using this representation?

So Jesus is God and Jesus is not God!

You say the scriptures support both views.

So the scriptures are contradictory?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,16:11)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,07:56) You are making an analogy about the scriptures correct? I am telling you the Holy Spirit can reveal it. Is that wrong or right? WJ Hi WJ, The HolySpirit can reveal what? What is it? Ed J

How about that Jesus is God!

The Rock that followed them in the wilderness (1 Cor 10:4) and the Saviour that saved the children of Israel (Jude 1:4, 5) the same Lord who is our “Only Master and Lord”.

God is a plural Unity. One Name for One God, the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Matt 28:18, 19

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,09:15)

So Jesus is God and Jesus is not God! You say the scriptures support both views. So the scriptures are contradictory? (NO; they are not understood. Ed J) WJ

Hi WJ,

In Chapter 8 of the free e-book called “holyCityBibleCode” I fully explain this question.

John 1:1 in the AKJV Bible is translated correctly; while the N.W.T. (JW’s version) has it translated in-correctly as ‘a god’.
And ο λογος Hō Lōgôs was [θεος] Thēôs; And “The Word” was “God”!

“The Word”(Holy Spirit) became fully flesh(in Jesus) at Jesus baptism by John;
He(Holy Spirit) led Jesus into the wilderness in Luke 4:1 and he(Holy Spirit)
caused Jesus to return from the wilderness in Luke 4:14! He(Holy Spirit)
also made Jesus aware that he(Jesus) would have to die on a cross for the sins of mankind!
This is how “The Word”(Jesus’ Father) was made flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 1:14)

The JW’s believe that at the point of baptism by John (the baptizer) is when Jesus became the Messiah;
this view is consistent with the previous paragraph; which I’m sure they will disagree with.
This lack of consistency on their part is the very reason why Christendom thinks there Organization is a cult.

Science suggests that blood in the fetus comes from the father’s genetics.
That would mean “Jesus” had “GOD Blood” running through his veins.
To put this in scientific terms (according to facts written in the Bible),
that would mean Jesus at his birth was ½ HOLYSPIRIT(Jesus’ FATHER; Matt.1:18),
¼ from the tribe JUDAH (Mary’s Father’s tribe; Luke 3:23-33)
and ¼ from the tribe of LEVI (Mary’s Mother’s tribe; Luke 1:5).

The shedding of his “God blood” is what removes sin (Acts 20:28 / Heb.9:22).
“GOD The Father” raised Jesus back from the dead (resurrection); for our Justification(Rom.4:25).

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

PS. It Looks like you are willing to cross the bridge.

[terraricca]

hi WJ
it is hurting my ears and my eyes to read you comment about the Son being his FATHER, and the FATHER being the SON,
the truth can only be understood but proved by the scriptures,not by one WORD in a sentense but the all and total scriptures account.

try it

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,17:35)

PS. It Looks like you are willing to cross the bridge.

Not at all. That is total confusion. You say the Father is the Word that was with himself, and that became flesh, and that the Father is the Holy Spirit which is 1/2 of Jesus at his birth.  

Did I get that wrong?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2009,17:38)

hi WJ it is hurting my ears and my eyes to read you comment about the Son being his FATHER, and the FATHER being the SON, the truth can only be understood but proved by the scriptures,not by one WORD in a sentense but the all and total scriptures account. try it

It hurts my ears for you to lie against me!

Where did I ever say “the Son being his FATHER, and the FATHER being the SON”?

That is what the modalist believe, and your own twist on what I say. Bearing false witness is sin.

Please quote me and if you do not understand then pray that God will reveal it!

You think the term “Theos” describes identity and is exclusive to the Father. But it doesn't and the scriptures prove that because the term is used in describing the Son and Spirit also!

Jesus is God like the Father in nature!

Just like you are human like your father in nature.

How hard is that to understand?

But it looks like you choose to ignore the scriptures calling Jesus “Theos”.

WJ

[terraricca]

hi WJ
so you don't believe in the trinity ?,if so please exuse me this is then my mistake please forgive me.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2009,18:06)

hi WJ so you don't believe in the trinity ?,if so please exuse me this is then my mistake please forgive me.

         

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