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Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07) Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root)
im = suffix (masc, plural)From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim) consists of two essences, male and female. If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).
Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.
Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem)
YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name)
Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united)Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit).
We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.
God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do. Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally.
God's likeness = body, spirit
God's image = male, femaleDavid : )
Hi David,YHVH is Our Father and the Church is Our Mother.
So that may be the reason you see things the way you do.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDavid,
The Spirit of God is neither male nor female. It is the Spirit of God.Spirits do not have gender.
It may be called 'He' because the language we use only has three genders…and 'IT' did not seem to be appropriate to the Scripture translators in terms of reverence.
They therefore gave it the male gender rather than neuter it because it belongs to the One who has Power and the gender that reflects power, 'He'.All Angels are 'He' because they have power.
Wisdom is given a female gender because it has 'nurturing' qualities which is not explicit 'power'.
Eve was 'taken out of Adam'.
The 'Birthgiving, Nurturing' qualities, the 'Caring, compassionate, vanity, needy, etc' qualities were taken out and made into a woman.Yes, all these were in the original, day one Adam. A single unit of a living person, as God is, because Adam was made in God's image.
But Adam had no 'Companions' like God had His Angels to glorify Himself.
So Adam was put to 'sleep' and out of him was taken a 'rib', those qualities mentioned, and they were put into another body and called 'Woman', 'Wombed Man'.
Because of this, Man is incomplete and requires a partner to become complete, and I mean a Partner of the 'Opposite Gender'…The qualities of the Male plus the qualities of the female, make a full human unit, one 'flesh' in the eyes of God, just as he created Adam on day one of his existence.
Before anyone posts back…'day one…of Adams existence' not 'day one of the whole creation'.
Hi JustAskin,
I have shown 'you' where The Scriptures document
HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ
(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35) (Click Here)Yet you continue refer to Him as an 'it'? Have you no respect for HIM?
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send HIM unto you.Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi JustAskin,
Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are
called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Heb.6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers
of the HolySpirit, And have tasted the good word of God, and
the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to
renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to
themselves the Son of God afresh, and put to an open shame.2Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than
the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment
delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog
is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ July 31 2010,17:19) Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07) God's image = male, female
What does it mean to you that Jesus is the image of the invisible God?
t8,That is an excellent question. Image would denote a form of sorts. So, without any other information than God AND invisibility….Jesus, to me had to take on that form. Then the next sentence it was thru that form that God created the Cosmos.
IMO: God is light, truth, power, authorities, dominions, etc. In the creation account we see the first “thing” God created was “light”…..Jesus is the firstborn…. I'd parallel the two and say that Jesus' form was that of “Invisible light”.
When he took on a physical body I don't know. Maybe like the cocoon and butterfly?
What about you?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,04:42) Hi JustAskin, I have shown 'you' where The Scriptures document
HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ
(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35) (Click Here)Yet you continue refer to Him as an 'it'? Have you no respect for HIM?
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send HIM unto you.Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,You showed where God, the Holy Spirit implanted Mary, not God, the Father.
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 01 2010,00:33) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,04:42) Hi JustAskin, I have shown 'you' where The Scriptures document
HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ
(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35) (Click Here)Yet you continue refer to Him as an 'it'? Have you no respect for HIM?
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send HIM unto you.Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,You showed where God, the Holy Spirit implanted Mary, not God, the Father.
Hi David,Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called
in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,04:03) David,
The Spirit of God is neither male nor female. It is the Spirit of God.Spirits do not have gender.
It may be called 'He' because the language we use only has three genders…and 'IT' did not seem to be appropriate to the Scripture translators in terms of reverence.
They therefore gave it the male gender rather than neuter it because it belongs to the One who has Power and the gender that reflects power, 'He'.All Angels are 'He' because they have power.
Wisdom is given a female gender because it has 'nurturing' qualities which is not explicit 'power'.
Eve was 'taken out of Adam'.
The 'Birthgiving, Nurturing' qualities, the 'Caring, compassionate, vanity, needy, etc' qualities were taken out and made into a woman.Yes, all these were in the original, day one Adam. A single unit of a living person, as God is, because Adam was made in God's image.
But Adam had no 'Companions' like God had His Angels to glorify Himself.
So Adam was put to 'sleep' and out of him was taken a 'rib', those qualities mentioned, and they were put into another body and called 'Woman', 'Wombed Man'.
Because of this, Man is incomplete and requires a partner to become complete, and I mean a Partner of the 'Opposite Gender'…The qualities of the Male plus the qualities of the female, make a full human unit, one 'flesh' in the eyes of God, just as he created Adam on day one of his existence.
Before anyone posts back…'day one…of Adams existence' not 'day one of the whole creation'.
Hi Ja,You make some interesting claims. #1-Spirits don't have gender.
We haven't been able to agree on who God is, nevertheless His Spirit.
Elohim has been shown to be having two essences, male and female (Gen 1:26-27). If that can't be agreed upon, then NOTHING else that follows will either.
Someone tried to say that the “US” in those verses is the Father and Jesus….but again the verse says male AND female; which one is the female?
#2-The statement on “Power”. We see that the Holy Spirit (noun, feminine) is the one with “Power” which contradicts your assumption regarding “males”. She also has Wisdom, Counsel, Knowledge, Understanding as well as Power. Ask of Her and it shall be given…..
It is true that Man is incomplete without Woman, just as God is incomplete without HIS Male and Female essences, which comprise the ONE GOD, Elohim (noun, fem & masc, SINGULAR).
YHVH (noun, masculine) has the physical form and appeared to Adam and Eve and that is why they call God, “He”….a “male” is who appeared.
The Bible was written thousands of years AFTER Man began, so Man prior to this had a practical knowledge of God and YHVH.
The Holy Spirit is behind the scenes doing the work quietly and “invisibly”.
Quote (david @ July 31 2010,00:12) Quote However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names. And yet, YHVH appears to be God's name.
“I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8)
“Jehovah of armies being his name…” (Is 54:5)
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Ps 83:18, King James)
Hi David, Sorry I had to crash,,,,back now.YHVH could be the name used for God (El) but not for God (Elohim).
Also, yesterday I spent the day looking at the words LORD, LORD God, etc. Most of the verses talk as if that YHVH was a Title like “Master” instead of a name. If it is a “name” then put a name there and see how it reads…without the context.
I kinda like that “Master”….Master of the Universe.
It also seemed odd that if the Jews/hebrews so revered the name why did Moses and Abraham address him directly so much? Unless they realized their place and was lovingly calling him “Master”. Also, for a name that was so sacred it is used over 6500 times, wow!
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,00:31) Quote Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God chooses to call himself “Father,” not “mother.”
What would you say to that.
Excellent David,Good thought.
God (El) is “(noun, masc, singular)”, what else would He call Himself if He were a parent? Father, no? Definitely not Mother; so, if He isn't the Mother, who is?
There must be God, “xxxx” (noun,feminine, singular).
The Professor
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,00:39) Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,17:55) Quote (david @ July 31 2010,00:12) Quote However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names. And yet, YHVH appears to be God's name.
“I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8)
“Jehovah of armies being his name…” (Is 54:5)
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Ps 83:18, King James)
Is 54:5 “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts;Who is the wife?
As usual you ask to stay in two verses and we get buck shot all over the place.
My comment was referring to the words in Gen 1:2 and 2:4 and the structure of those words…..not looking for a debate on who YHVH is.
DAVidBfun,You might not be looking for a debate on who YHVH is, and you may only want to discuss those 2 scriptures, however, your understanding of those two scriptures you were discussing was based on a false idea, that “Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names.“
“I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8)
You say: YHVH cannot be a name.
Scripture says YHVH is his name. It's the most used name in HIS book. HIS name is used more often than all of HIS titles put together. It's used more often than FATHER, Creator, Lord, God, Almighty, etc COMBINED!This is what we would expect about HIS book, that HIS name, our FATHER'S name be mentioned often. And, it is.
So, anyway, this idea that Jehovah (YHVH) cannot be a name is absurd.
Hello David,As you pointed out earlier about names and I responded, “I am David,,,”
Elohim is the name for Elohim.
Within Elohim is YHVH and Spirit.Elohim's YHVH; YHVH is not Elohim's name.
Elohim's Spirit; Spirit is not Elohim's name.YHVH could be a name, but not for Elohim. i.e. YHVH God (El)
Spirit could be a name, but not for Elohim.In English we get confused because of our ONE word God.
Hebrew has two:
El = God (noun, masc, singular)
Elohim = God (noun, masc AND fem, singular)Does anyone see the difference between the two words and what comprises each one? El is only masc; Elohim is masc AND fem.
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,00:29) Quote (davidbfun @ July 31 2010,08:38) Quote (david @ July 31 2010,00:12) Quote However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names. And yet, YHVH appears to be God's name.
“I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8)
“Jehovah of armies being his name…” (Is 54:5)
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Ps 83:18, King James)
You are wrong….his name is “Jealous”.Ex 34:14 —for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God—
Can't make up His mind.
You do know that the reason “LORD” is in capital letters is because they replaced God's name in that instance with “LORD” don't you?EXODUS 34:14
“For you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because Jehovah, whose name is Jealous*, he is a jealous God;”*Lit., “Jealous [is] his name.” Heb., Qan·na’′ shemoh′.
“Jealous” is a word used to describe his name.
“Jehovah” is a personal name used about 7000 times in scripture.
David,You make so many wonderful points and show such astute thinking…..unlike others who may respond to you, lol
It would be best, because of all the bickering over what YHVH means that instead of translating YHVH that they leave the four letters intact. Nowadays everyone knows that YHVH is the male “person” that was in contact with His people, the Hebrews/Jews.
It is so much fun to see what the people do here. They say that YHVH is a name and then go to Ex 3:14 and say that Hayah asher Hayah is His name…..which is it?
If YHVH is a name how do they go about changing the name?
4 letters is very different than 15 letters and is not the same “NAME”.
Rafael = Healer of God
Melchizedek = King of RighteousnessYHVH = LORD (all caps because He is the Supreme LORD as compared to other Lords (Adonai)). As you said 7,000 times YHVH is translated LORD and over 6500 they translate it as such. Maybe they did it right for once and all of the speculations here are just that, “speculations”.
And a synomous word for LORD = Master.
Replace Master for “the LORD” and see how it comes out.
The Professor
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,00:42) Quote Is 54:5 “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD [substitution for “YHWH”] of hosts; Who is the wife?
In a figurative sense Jehovah spoke of Israel as his wife by reason of his covenant with the nation. (Isa 54:6)
Such language is not uncommon. The apostle Paul speaks of Jehovah as the Father of spirit-begotten Christians, and he speaks of “the Jerusalem above” as their mother, as though Jehovah were married to her for the purpose of bringing forth spirit-begotten Christians. (Ga 4:6, 7, 26) The Christian congregation is spoken of as the bride, or wife, of Jesus Christ.—Eph 5:23, 25; Re 19:7; 21:2, 9.
Yes David,That's right! Jesus is “THE MAN”!
The Professor
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,00:45) wrong thread ed.
David,I agree.
If he would change how YHWH was really translated by the translators and not his way,,,,it would be “152”. What then?
Ed already knows that I don't agree with this system as the KJV battle disrupted many churches in America and lost out. The people couldn't read what was written and make a logical interpretation. Try reading Shakespeare and tell me what it says….ugh!
Not only that the KJV kept people from reading the Bible because of the antiquated words. The best Bible translation is the one that gets people into the word and not fighting over the word.
The Professor
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,01:17) Quote (david @ July 31 2010,17:06) but isn't there a thread for your bible code stuff? You shouldn't be pushing it in other threads.
Hi David,Should you push approximations of truth,
while “Bible Truth” seems to bother you?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,David is right. We are discussing Elohim and not Bible code.
The Professor
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,01:17) Quote (david @ July 31 2010,17:06) but isn't there a thread for your bible code stuff? You shouldn't be pushing it in other threads.
Hi David,Should you push approximations of truth,
while “Bible Truth” seems to bother you?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,It seems that David does have “Bible Truth” as it is FROM the Bible, not concoted from numbers. His numbers are verses from the Bible and mean something to everyone.
Let's stay on topic, ok?
The Professor
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,01:21) It just bothers me that I'm trying to discuss what this thread is about, and you are hijacking and and essentially hiding my posts which I'd like responses to. That just means I have to repost them. You know ed, we can discuss this in the KJ thread. I've been posting there too. would that not make more sense?
Hi David,Let's relax and get back (“to where we once belonged”) lol.
(“One God”) Elohim has two essences: Male and Female Gen 1:27
Gen 1:2 SpiritElohim is one (feminine)
Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim is the other (masculine)One DAY has two essences: Light (fem) and Darkness (masc).
One GOD has two essences: Spirit (fem) and YHVH (masc).Spirit and YHVH joined together make ONE GOD.
Husband and Wife joined together make ONE FLESH.The Professor
Quote (david @ Aug. 01 2010,02:16) Davidbfun, please ignore everything on pages 5 and 6. I'll just repeat the related stuff. Actually, that's a lot of work. Can you please just ignore all the whatever between ed and I and comment on my posts on page 5?
David,I feel your pain….
I like your avatar…I lived in Italy for 2 years.
Can anyone out there see that God's form/image consists of the two essences, Male and Female?
This corresponds to these two essences having their own “missions” as YHVH and Spirit.
Do word search for Holy Spirit and YHVH and you'll see the purposes each has.
The Professor
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,04:43) Hi JustAskin, Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are
called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Heb.6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers
of the HolySpirit, And have tasted the good word of God, and
the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to
renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to
themselves the Son of God afresh, and put to an open shame.2Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than
the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment
delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog
is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,Good quote: Eph 4:4-6
One Body = YHVH (Gen 2:4)
One Spirit = Holy Spirit (Gen 1:2)
One God = Elohim (YHVH & Spirit) (Gen 1:1)You've been enlightened.
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